I love it! CHURCH VOWS WAR ON OBAMA 'FIGHT IN STREETS'

[JoeB131]

congress shall make no law .......... regarding church doctrine and trying to prohibit it.

They have given special treatment to many with this health care law.
I hope the Supreme Court votes 9-0 on this horrible bill.

Except that isn't what the constitution says.

It says Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor restrict the free practice thereof. This law no more does that than a law stating that Catholic Schools have to have fire alarms.

 

[chanel]

Seriously? Since when was fire a tenet of the church? Now you are just being silly. Believe it or not, the Church does not condone death by abortion or by fire. Truth.

 

[Peach]

Advocating armed insurrection is treason. Surprised to see those pleased with such activity.

 

[JoeB131]

Seriously? Since when was fire a tenet of the church? Now you are just being silly. Believe it or not, the Church does not condone death by abortion or by fire. Truth.

Here in Chicago, there was a fire on December 1st, 1958, in our Lady of the Angels school.

92 Children and 3 nuns died in that fire.

While the School was in compliance, it's fire safety was nowhere near what the public schools of the time had. The school was essentially a death trap.

Not to worry, the nuns at the time got the kids in a circle to pray. Yeah, that probably helped a lot.

 

[chanel]

1958? Way before my time.

In 2012, parents in Chicago sent their kids to Catholic school because children were being shot at the public school. The public schools were essentially a death trap.

 

[JoeB131]

1958? Way before my time.

In 2012, parents in Chicago sent their kids to Catholic school because children were being shot at the public school. The public schools were essentially a death trap.

And those Catholic Schools in Chicago have to comply with all the laws that govern Public schools.

But you bring up a good point. My neice went to one of those Catholic Schools, and about 30% of the kids there aren't Catholic.

They even had a Muslim girl in the class.

So it wasn't about the faith, it was about the money.

And when the Church is running a money-making operation, they can't plead religion.

 

[driveby]

Yeah....I can see all the believers rioting in the streets because they are going to be forced to get the birth control that most of them use as a covered expense in the insurance plan that they pay for. This will surely be the last straw!

Look out, liberals! The Catholics are coming!

The Catholics are coming! Man... that actually used to be pretty scary back in the spanish Inquisition days and earlier, when they went out and murdered people for having different faiths or being different.

Yep, someone forgot to tell them it's only ok for Muslims to do such a thing.......

 

[NYcarbineer]

"I don't care if Catholic hospitals close". Spoken like a true liberal.

Virtue is on the left is defined by what they think. On the right, it's about what we do.

13 Largest Non-Profit Hospital Systems By Number of Hospitals

Catholic Health Initiatives (Denver, Colo.). Catholic Health Initiatives is a faith-based, national healthcare system headquartered in Denver. The system currently operates 78 hospitals, including 22 critical-access facilities and 30 rural hospitals, in 20 states. The system oversees 40 long-term care, assisted- and residential-living facilities and two community health-services organizations.

Ascension Health (St. Louis, Mo.). Ascension Health, based in St. Louis, Mo., is one of the nation's largest Catholic and non-profit health systems, with 67 acute-care hospitals and locations in 20 states and the District of Columbia.

Ascension Health is led by Anthony R. Tersigni, EdD, FACHE, president and CEO. Dr. Tersigni previously served as executive vice president and COO of Ascension Health and was president and CEO of St. John Health in Detroit, Mich., Ascension's largest integrated health system.

Trinity Health (Novi, Mich.). Trinity Health, located in Novi, Mich., consists of 44 hospitals (32 owned, 12 managed), 379 outpatient clinics/facilities, numerous long-term care facilities, home health and hospice programs and senior housing communities in seven states. Trinity Health identifies itself as a Unified Enterprise Ministry. The system is sponsored by Catholic Health Ministries.

Catholic Healthcare West (San Francisco, Calif.). Catholic Healthcare West hospitals and facilities provide care to communities in Arizona, California and Nevada, and the system includes 41 hospitals, medical clinics, home health organizations, two health plans and five medical practice groups. Founded in 1986, the health system was formed when two congregations of the Sisters of Mercy joined their 10 hospitals together. Today, CHW is the largest hospital system in California. In fiscal year 2008, CHW provided $967 million in community benefits and care of the poor.

Adventist Health System (Winter Park, Fla.). Adventist Health System, based in Winter Park, Fla., is the largest non-profit Protestant healthcare provider in the nation and supports 37 hospitals and many other types of facilities in 12 states. Adventist Health System's flagship, Florida Hospital, is one of the largest healthcare providers in America and a national leader in cardiac care.

Kaiser Foundation Hospitals (Oakland, Calif.). Kaiser Foundation Hospitals is part of Kaiser Permanente, the nation's largest non-profit healthcare system, which service 8.6 million people across the country. Currently, the Kaiser Foundation Hospitals consists of 35 hospitals, with a 36th facility joining the group in Oct. 2009. Kaiser Permanente was founded in 1945 to address the challenge of providing Americans medical care during the Great Depression and World War II, when most people could not afford healthcare.

Catholic Health East (Newtown Square, Pa.). Catholic Health East is a multi-institutional Catholic health system, which is co-sponsored by nine religious congregations and Hope Ministries, a Public Juridic Person within Catholic Health East. The system includes 34 acute-care hospitals, four long-term acute-care hospitals, 25 freestanding and hospital-based long-term care facilities, 14 assisted living facilities, four continuing care retirement communities, eight behavioral health and rehabilitation facilities, 32 home health/hospice agencies and numerous ambulatory and community-based health services located in 11 eastern states from Maine to Florida.

Catholic Healthcare Partners (Cincinnati, Ohio). Catholic Healthcare Partners is the largest non-profit health system in Ohio and one of the largest in the nation, with facilities in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and nearby states. CHP includes 33 hospitals as well as long-term care facilities, housing sites for the elderly, home health agencies, hospice programs and wellness centers. The system was founded in 1986 by the Sisters of Mercy, Regional Community of Cincinnati and now includes five co-sponsoring Catholic organizations.

Iowa Health System (Des Moines, Iowa). Founded in 1995, Iowa Health System is Iowa's largest integrated health system. Iowa Health provides services throughout Iowa and western Illinois and operates 26 hospitals in metropolitan and rural communities. The Health System also employs the state's largest non-profit workforce and brings in annual revenues of $2 billion.

Providence Health & Services (Seattle, Wash.). Providence Health & Services, based in Seattle, is a non-profit health system with facilities in five states: Alaska, Washington, Montana, Oregon and California. Providence Health includes 26 hospitals as well as non-acute facilities, physicians clinics, a liberal arts university and a high school. In 2008, Providence Health provided $508 million in community benefit programs and services.

Sutter Health (Sacramento, Calif.). Sutter Health is one of the country's largest community-based non-profit healthcare providers in more than 100 communities in northern California. Sutter Health supports 25 locally run acute-care hospitals. It also oversees physician organizations; medical research facilities; region-wide home health, hospice and occupational health networks; and long-term care centers. It is the regional leader in infant deliveries, neonatology, pediatrics and cancer care services.

Carolinas HealthCare System (Charlotte, N.C.). Carolinas HealthCare System is the Carolinas' largest healthcare system and is one of the nation's largest public non-profit health systems. The network consists of 25 hospitals in North and South Carolina and more than 300 care locations. CHS's flagship facility is Carolinas Medical Center, an 874-bed hospital in Charlotte, N.C., with a Level I trauma center, a research institute and a large number of specialty treatment units including heart, cancer, organ transplant and behavioral health. CMC also serves as one of North Carolina's five Academic Medical Center Teaching Hospitals, providing residency training for more than 240 physicians in 18 specialties. In 2008, CHS provided $770 million in community benefits among its hospitals and affiliates.

Marian Health System (Tulsa, Okla.). Marian Health System is a Catholic, non-profit healthcare system, sponsored by the Sisters of the Sorrowful Mother. The system is comprised of three regional systems, based in Wichita, Kan., Tulsa, Okla., and Milwaukee, Wis. Marian Health has 25 hospitals in four states across the country.

13 Largest Non-Profit Hospital Systems By Number of Hospitals | Lists and Statistics

And how many of the above that are Catholic are ALREADY complying with birth control insurance provisions mandated at the state level?

I know that Catholic Health West does.

The Church is lying if it claims it can't comply with an insurance requirement to provide birth control; it already has been, all across the country, for years.

 

[chanel]

I have no idea. But what I do know, is that "closing Catholic hospitals" might be a bad idea. What say you? Would the mandate be worth it?

 

[JoeB131]

I have no idea. But what I do know, is that "closing Catholic hospitals" might be a bad idea. What say you? Would the mandate be worth it?

If the Church closes a hospital over this, then that's on the Church, isn't it?

Because there isn't any good economic reason to.

 

[Peach]

I love it! CHURCH VOWS WAR ON OBAMA 'FIGHT IN STREETS'


Now we are talkin! Sounds like fun! Let the good times roll!

Insurrection is a GOOD thing?

 

[Peach]

The pill can also destroy a fertilized egg; thus, the pill is also murder if life begins at conception.

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah....I can see all the believers rioting in the streets because they are going to be forced to get the birth control that most of them use as a covered expense in the insurance plan that they pay for. This will surely be the last straw!

Look out, liberals! The Catholics are coming!

The Catholics are coming! Man... that actually used to be pretty scary back in the spanish Inquisition days and earlier, when they went out and murdered people for having different faiths or being different.

Yep, someone forgot to tell them it's only ok for Muslims to do such a thing.......

 

[NYcarbineer]

I have no idea. But what I do know, is that "closing Catholic hospitals" might be a bad idea. What say you? Would the mandate be worth it?

Pay attention.

Catholic hospitals all across the country already comply with state versions of this mandate.

There is no meaningful opposition - on religious grounds - from the Church on this issue because if there were they would not be complying NOW.

This is phoney outrage from the Catholic Church.

 

[chanel]

I have no idea. But what I do know, is that "closing Catholic hospitals" might be a bad idea. What say you? Would the mandate be worth it?

If the Church closes a hospital over this, then that's on the Church, isn't it?

Because there isn't any good economic reason to.

Economic reason? How about the million dollar fines?

BTW - Even President Obama does not want to see these hospitals shut down. Ask him.

 

[JoeB131]

I have no idea. But what I do know, is that "closing Catholic hospitals" might be a bad idea. What say you? Would the mandate be worth it?

If the Church closes a hospital over this, then that's on the Church, isn't it?

Because there isn't any good economic reason to.

Economic reason? How about the million dollar fines?

BTW - Even President Obama does not want to see these hospitals shut down. Ask him.

Don't violate the law, don't get the fine.

 

[Rinata]

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This notion that Catholics from coast to coast will change their mind on voting for Obama because of this seems to be wishful thinking. Those who voted for him in 2010 knew quite well where he stands on abortion and contraception; plus there are plenty of "cafeteria Christians" running around out there.

Perhaps a palatable GOP candidate would be a better idea.

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Actually, they had no idea that he would put the Church in this position... before 2008 (which is when they actually voted for him - not 2010 - idiot).... and, during the drafting of the bill, Obama asked to meet with the Arch Bishop - at that meeting - he gave his word that the Church would not be put into this position.

Either get your fucking facts straight, or don't fucking post.... but don't post bullshit and pretend it's fact.

Catholics are changing their minds about Obama.... we are a notorious swing vote. Most Catholics are not dem or GOP. But they are always Catholic.

You always thing you know everything, you miserable bitch. Why are you always so nasty???

FYI, Catholics for Choice, a liberal advocacy group, said in a statement. "In shouting from the pulpit, they are threatening to drown out the voice of the majority of Catholics who believe that women should be able to access birth control. The bishops do not speak for us".

98% of Catholic women have used contraception, despite church teachings. And about half of U.S. Catholics who leave their faith cite their unhappiness with the church's teachings on birth control as a reason they left, according to a 2009 Pew survey.

Do you want women to conceive babies when they have no money to raise them or when they haven't the strength or desire?? Great. The children will end up like Caylee Anthony.

It seems you need to get your facts straight, Miss Sunshine. You don't know what you're talking about. All that hate you have for President Obama keeps you from seeing things as they really are.

 

[Rinata]

Tea Parties are for little girls and their imaginary friends.

'NoNukes' is a 1960s has been.... or is it never was?

I walk down the street in New York City and people recognize me, which my kids think is hilarious. Would anyone know who your sorry ass is?

Sure, they know her!!! She is the neighborhood hag that screams at the kids and throws rocks at them to get off of her lawn.

 

[Full-Auto]

If the Church closes a hospital over this, then that's on the Church, isn't it?

Because there isn't any good economic reason to.

Economic reason? How about the million dollar fines?

BTW - Even President Obama does not want to see these hospitals shut down. Ask him.

Don't violate the law, don't get the fine.

Sometimes you are just a complete ignoramus. Free speech. Remember that term when Uncle sugar tells you to shut up.

 

[The T]

Yeah....I can see all the believers rioting in the streets because they are going to be forced to get the birth control that most of them use as a covered expense in the insurance plan that they pay for. This will surely be the last straw!

Look out, liberals! The Catholics are coming!

The Catholics are coming! Man... that actually used to be pretty scary back in the spanish Inquisition days and earlier, when they went out and murdered people for having different faiths or being different.

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