If you're working for minimum wage your financial problems are yours alone

[Wyatt earp]

Your boss didn't kill your ambition.
Your boss didn't make you fail your education.
I didn't kill your ambition.
I didn't make you fail in school.


If you're an adult working for minimum wage it is YOUR irresponsible choices that led you there.

All interesting points. However, somebody has to do these jobs. What do you do when they aren't done? no food being picked? No grass verges being mowed? No toilets being cleaned, or other premises. You get a third-world country. Nothing wrong with giving people a liveable wage. Also, don't forget that those minimum wages help keep inflation down. If everybody got paid $100,000 interest rates would go through the roof - supply and demand....everybody would have enough to buy shit, so sellers would put up prices due to scarcity..

What do you do when they aren't done? no food being picked?

You get wages that go up...it's that simple

And example is the cracking boom when it was in high gear they couldn't find people to work at McDonalds , Walmart until those company's raised local wages to $15-$18 bucks an hour


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[Avatar4321]

I hear ya

I wish I could be as dumb as conservatives are. Let's see both me AND my wife have skills we had to be licensed for yet have NEVER made over 12$ an hour. Not our fault. I was injured and now stay home with kids and earn a shit wage but it pays rent so it is what it is. Wife actually got a job that literally required no skill that paid MORE than her job as a CNA did! Pathetic truly. Lived in 3 different states and not much difference in what they paid! Again not our fault. We got skills we were just as usual screwed by capitalism and capitalists who got rich off our labor. Figure EACH resident of a nursing home pays 1500-5k a MONTH to stay there depending on its services and MOST places she worked had AT LEAST 75-150 residents and yet she brought home less than 2k a month. Slave labor,wage theft,theft of labor is what it is all the while the higher ups got RICH with their new cars 2 homes private schools etc.

Most of the people that believe all it takes to be successful is ambition and the willingness to work hard, have never faced the problems of those that can't get ahead no matter how hard they work.

They comfort themselves with the belief that failure is always a personal choice so nothing can or should be done about. These are also the same people that are so shocked when the breaking news is a young mother that killed herself and her three children out of desperation and hopelessness.

“Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes”

I have walked a mile in ALL THEIR SHOES.
I've been homeless
I've been to prison
I was given over to the state at the age of 7
I've lived in the ghetto
I've lived in drug houses

There isn't much in the way of bad luck or poor decisions I haven't experienced. Yet I was able to rise above it all because of my determination to get out of that life.

Excuses are just that....EXCUSES

Guess some of us are so continually knocked down and just don't have the strength or the belief things will ever get better NO MATTER WHAT they do. By this time in my life I want to raise my kids get them hopefully off to college and then just go hide in the damn woods with my books and watch the world go by without bothering me. I am not sure WHAT it is but I have practically given up thinking I can improve MY life,my wife she has been accepted to college and is working her way through the pile of bullshit to start next fall for her RN degree and I am backing her and dealing with shit work shifts and taking on more work at home to help her. I got my CDL,got injured,then tried college and it wasn't for me I was constantly antsy and scatter brained and just wanted to get away constantly. Its like I am now I HATE staying in one place for more than a month or so at a time....not a great life for a family obviously so the urge is constantly there but so is the KNOWING that my kids need stability etc. Granted both me and the wife look back and realize we REALLY fucked up. She had a bright future ahead of her she wanted to be a chef in a big hotel or eatery etc,me I realize I should NOT have ever had kids as I am just someone who wants to be on the road 24/7. I LOVE finding books,reading books,collecting books and traveling. Mix all that together and well you get what I got now. Miserable,Depressed life I can't WAIT to escape from. Youngest is 20 months so got 16 years still....I wish more than anything I had 2 things growing up. 1. parents that actually gave a shit to push me towards higher education even if it was tech school or something and 2. a mind that didn't run 24/7 and want to escape society and just enjoy freedom.

I hear ya. Just find some good hobbies to get into. Cooking is one great hobby. Nothing like cooking your own fantastic meals. Once you get into it, it can be very fun and rewarding. It's little things that often improve quality of life. Just find a couple hobbies that make you happy. They'll get ya through all the struggles.

And replace the self pity with self determination.

How do you, personally, do that? Just thought it might take the thread in a good direction

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

When you watch it happen it's hardly a talking point.
It was no secret that these immigrants were willing to work for far less than their American counterparts.

So let's send them back to Mexico, and let them make Carrier air conditioners and Fords and Trump ties there for $2 an hour.

Fuck the Americans who are too stupid to compete with them, amiright?

I'd rather spend my tax dollars on tax breaks and incentives to keep American jobs here than on welfare for immigrants who send a huge portion of their wages back to mexico rather than spending it here supporting our tax base and local economies..

Wh

People have life circumstances that sometimes leads to minimum wage jobs. And who's supposed to do these jobs? Someone has to do it. Working at a fast food job doesn't mean you have no ambition.

A lot of people work fast food jobs to put themselves through college or to take care fo family. Some people have a sick parent or sibling.

There are a lot of reasons why someone might work a fast food job. You need to pay them a reasonable wage.

"reasonable wage" is not something that can be imposed by the government, it is decided by how much value a person adds to a service or product via their labor.

Seems to me a reasonable wage is the wage both parties agree to do work at

Sure. And every unskilled worker has plenty of clout with which to negotiate a higher wage.

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Explain how the presence of immigrants HERE caused Carrier and Ford to want to move to Mexico.

Thats just pure greed on the part of Carrier. I could understand if they couldnt survive in the U.S. paying their workers but they obviously can.

 

[g5000]

So let's send them back to Mexico, and let them make Carrier air conditioners and Fords and Trump ties there for $2 an hour.

Fuck the Americans who are too stupid to compete with them, amiright?

I'd rather spend my tax dollars on tax breaks and incentives to keep American jobs here than on welfare for immigrants who send a huge portion of their wages back to mexico rather than spending it here supporting our tax base and local economies..

Wh

"reasonable wage" is not something that can be imposed by the government, it is decided by how much value a person adds to a service or product via their labor.

Seems to me a reasonable wage is the wage both parties agree to do work at

Sure. And every unskilled worker has plenty of clout with which to negotiate a higher wage.

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Explain how the presence of immigrants HERE caused Carrier and Ford to want to move to Mexico.

Thats just pure greed on the part of Carrier. I could understand if they couldnt survive in the U.S. paying their workers but they obviously can.

Thus, even you know deep down inside that immigrants have fuck-all to do with our economic problems.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

When you watch it happen it's hardly a talking point.
It was no secret that these immigrants were willing to work for far less than their American counterparts.

So let's send them back to Mexico, and let them make Carrier air conditioners and Fords and Trump ties there for $2 an hour.

Fuck the Americans who are too stupid to compete with them, amiright?

I'd rather spend my tax dollars on tax breaks and incentives to keep American jobs here than on welfare for immigrants who send a huge portion of their wages back to mexico rather than spending it here supporting our tax base and local economies..

Wh

People have life circumstances that sometimes leads to minimum wage jobs. And who's supposed to do these jobs? Someone has to do it. Working at a fast food job doesn't mean you have no ambition.

A lot of people work fast food jobs to put themselves through college or to take care fo family. Some people have a sick parent or sibling.

There are a lot of reasons why someone might work a fast food job. You need to pay them a reasonable wage.

"reasonable wage" is not something that can be imposed by the government, it is decided by how much value a person adds to a service or product via their labor.

Seems to me a reasonable wage is the wage both parties agree to do work at

Sure. And every unskilled worker has plenty of clout with which to negotiate a higher wage.

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Explain how the presence of immigrants HERE caused Carrier and Ford to want to move to Mexico, and Trump to make his ties in China.

Also you have to remember.
There are a lot of jobs that cant be shipped out of country. Those are the ones that are being hurt by immigration.

 

[g5000]

You know what the biggest drag on our economy is?

Hint: It isn't Mexicans.

 

[Dschrute3]

I think Trump supports raising the Minimum Wage. I hope it happens. If we refuse to help our struggling fellow Americans, what good are we?

He did. And then he didn't. Pence doesn't. His Labor Sec. doesn't. Ryan doesn't. McConnell doesn't

We'll see. I'll give him a chance.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We're the wealthiest nation on earth. We can afford to be more compassionate towards our fellow Americans. Help those in need. Very few can survive on the current Minimum Wage. Let's not curse them and just throw em away. We're a better nation than that. I truly believe that.

I help plenty via charity. Forced government help NEVER fixes anything. Just look at all the great ghettos of the nation. When created they were to be a solution to a problem yet their results were much worse than the problems they were created to fix.

Help yourself before expecting others to do it for you.

We all just need to let go of greed, envy, and bitterness. That's the Devil's work. God wants us to help those in need. Let's raise the Minimum Wage to something our nation can be proud of.

Omg. Go preach this garbage to the gullible.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I'd rather spend my tax dollars on tax breaks and incentives to keep American jobs here than on welfare for immigrants who send a huge portion of their wages back to mexico rather than spending it here supporting our tax base and local economies..

Wh

Seems to me a reasonable wage is the wage both parties agree to do work at

Sure. And every unskilled worker has plenty of clout with which to negotiate a higher wage.

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Explain how the presence of immigrants HERE caused Carrier and Ford to want to move to Mexico.

Thats just pure greed on the part of Carrier. I could understand if they couldnt survive in the U.S. paying their workers but they obviously can.

Thus, even you know deep down inside that immigrants have fuck-all to do with our economic problems.

That shows you know fuck all about the American work force and the jobs that cant be outsourced.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Your boss didn't kill your ambition.
Your boss didn't make you fail your education.
I didn't kill your ambition.
I didn't make you fail in school.


If you're an adult working for minimum wage it is YOUR irresponsible choices that led you there.

All interesting point. However, somebody has to do these jobs. What do you do when they aren't done? no food being picked? No grass verges being mowed? No toilets being cleaned, or other premises. You get a third-world country. Nothing wrong with giving people a liveable wage. Also, don't forget that those minimum wages help keep inflation down. If everybody got paid $100,000 interest rates would go through the roof - supply and demand....everybody would have enough to buy shit, so sellers would put up prices due to scarcity..

It's all based on demand. The going rate for basic yard service that entails mowing edging and weed eating is only five bucks more now than it was in 1980 when I did it as a kid.
Think about that.
You cant even get in the parking lot of the local Quicki Mart at lunch time due to all the trucks pulling trailers packed with lawn equipment and mexicans.

You are right to focus on demand. But you are focusing on the wrong kind of demand. The KEY TO OUR ECONOMY, is demand for GOODS AND SERVICES. This demand is made greater when more people have $$ to spend.

 

[g5000]

Wh
Sure. And every unskilled worker has plenty of clout with which to negotiate a higher wage.

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Explain how the presence of immigrants HERE caused Carrier and Ford to want to move to Mexico.

Thats just pure greed on the part of Carrier. I could understand if they couldnt survive in the U.S. paying their workers but they obviously can.

Thus, even you know deep down inside that immigrants have fuck-all to do with our economic problems.

That shows you know fuck all about the American work force and the jobs that cant be outsourced.

Americans aren't going to pick lettuce at any price.

Every prosperous economy has a large foreign labor force. It comes with success.

You are the one who knows fuck-all about economics.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Your boss didn't kill your ambition.
Your boss didn't make you fail your education.
I didn't kill your ambition.
I didn't make you fail in school.


If you're an adult working for minimum wage it is YOUR irresponsible choices that led you there.

All interesting points. However, somebody has to do these jobs. What do you do when they aren't done? no food being picked? No grass verges being mowed? No toilets being cleaned, or other premises. You get a third-world country. Nothing wrong with giving people a liveable wage. Also, don't forget that those minimum wages help keep inflation down. If everybody got paid $100,000 interest rates would go through the roof - supply and demand....everybody would have enough to buy shit, so sellers would put up prices due to scarcity..

Stop welfare for the able bodied workers and those jobs would be done, just like before..

Welfare for able bodied workers? How much do we spend on that?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Your boss didn't kill your ambition.
Your boss didn't make you fail your education.
I didn't kill your ambition.
I didn't make you fail in school.


If you're an adult working for minimum wage it is YOUR irresponsible choices that led you there.

All interesting point. However, somebody has to do these jobs. What do you do when they aren't done? no food being picked? No grass verges being mowed? No toilets being cleaned, or other premises. You get a third-world country. Nothing wrong with giving people a liveable wage. Also, don't forget that those minimum wages help keep inflation down. If everybody got paid $100,000 interest rates would go through the roof - supply and demand....everybody would have enough to buy shit, so sellers would put up prices due to scarcity..

It's all based on demand. The going rate for basic yard service that entails mowing edging and weed eating is only five bucks more now than it was in 1980 when I did it as a kid.
Think about that.
You cant even get in the parking lot of the local Quicki Mart at lunch time due to all the trucks pulling trailers packed with lawn equipment and mexicans.

You are right to focus on demand. But you are focusing on the wrong kind of demand. The KEY TO OUR ECONOMY, is demand for GOODS AND SERVICES. This demand is made greater when more people have $$ to spend.

And if there werent so many workers wages would go up.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You are full of shit. You don't know anything about the effect that immigrants have in our economy. You talk in talking points.

When you watch it happen it's hardly a talking point.
It was no secret that these immigrants were willing to work for far less than their American counterparts.

So let's send them back to Mexico, and let them make Carrier air conditioners and Fords and Trump ties there for $2 an hour.

Fuck the Americans who are too stupid to compete with them, amiright?

I'd rather spend my tax dollars on tax breaks and incentives to keep American jobs here than on welfare for immigrants who send a huge portion of their wages back to mexico rather than spending it here supporting our tax base and local economies..

Wh

People have life circumstances that sometimes leads to minimum wage jobs. And who's supposed to do these jobs? Someone has to do it. Working at a fast food job doesn't mean you have no ambition.

A lot of people work fast food jobs to put themselves through college or to take care fo family. Some people have a sick parent or sibling.

There are a lot of reasons why someone might work a fast food job. You need to pay them a reasonable wage.

"reasonable wage" is not something that can be imposed by the government, it is decided by how much value a person adds to a service or product via their labor.

Seems to me a reasonable wage is the wage both parties agree to do work at

Sure. And every unskilled worker has plenty of clout with which to negotiate a higher wage.

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Bull. Watch how Trump doesn't deport anyone. Then...try to guess why.

 

[Dschrute3]

We're the wealthiest nation on earth. We can afford to be more compassionate towards our fellow Americans. Help those in need. Very few can survive on the current Minimum Wage. Let's not curse them and just throw em away. We're a better nation than that. I truly believe that.

I help plenty via charity. Forced government help NEVER fixes anything. Just look at all the great ghettos of the nation. When created they were to be a solution to a problem yet their results were much worse than the problems they were created to fix.

Help yourself before expecting others to do it for you.

We all just need to let go of greed, envy, and bitterness. That's the Devil's work. God wants us to help those in need. Let's raise the Minimum Wage to something our nation can be proud of.

Omg. Go preach this garbage to the gullible.

See, you're allowing the Devil into your heart and mind. He's always there trying to get in. But God can keep him out if you ask him to. God is stronger than the Devil.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Explain how the presence of immigrants HERE caused Carrier and Ford to want to move to Mexico.

Thats just pure greed on the part of Carrier. I could understand if they couldnt survive in the U.S. paying their workers but they obviously can.

Thus, even you know deep down inside that immigrants have fuck-all to do with our economic problems.

That shows you know fuck all about the American work force and the jobs that cant be outsourced.

Americans aren't going to pick lettuce at any price.

Every prosperous economy has a large foreign labor force. It comes with success.

You are the one who knows fuck-all about economics.

It's one thing to have a migrant workforce,it's an entirely different animal when they live here.

 

[g5000]

$1.2 trillion is given away in government gifts each and every year. Literally twice as much as is given away in the form of "welfare".

And that's just on the federal level. I'm not even counting the state government gifts.

THAT is the biggest drag on our economy.

And we just had one dumb fuck roger up on giving away more government gifts. To Carrier.

These tards have the whole thing BACKWARDS. Completely backwards.

 

[Campbell]

Your boss didn't kill your ambition.
Your boss didn't make you fail your education.
I didn't kill your ambition.
I didn't make you fail in school.


If you're an adult working for minimum wage it is YOUR irresponsible choices that led you there.

I wish you had been around in the middle and late 1930's. If your foreman didn't like the way you parted your hair he would tell you to "Go Draw Your Pay." There were ten men in line waiting for a chance to do the job. GOD BLESS FDR. He brought us out of that Republican mess.

 

[g5000]

Explain how the presence of immigrants HERE caused Carrier and Ford to want to move to Mexico.

Thats just pure greed on the part of Carrier. I could understand if they couldnt survive in the U.S. paying their workers but they obviously can.

Thus, even you know deep down inside that immigrants have fuck-all to do with our economic problems.

That shows you know fuck all about the American work force and the jobs that cant be outsourced.

Americans aren't going to pick lettuce at any price.

Every prosperous economy has a large foreign labor force. It comes with success.

You are the one who knows fuck-all about economics.

It's one thing to have a migrant workforce,it's an entirely different animal when they live here.

Somebody mentioned supply and demand.

The exact same principle applies to labor. There is a huge demand for farm labor, and the supply is not being met by Americans or legal immigrants.

Our quota system is out of whack.

If a farmer needs 50 lettuce pickers, and no Americans show up at any price, and he is only allowed 10 legal immigrants, he has no choice but to hire 40 illegals.

That is where the demand side comes from, and why the supply of illegals is so high.

Americans won't do the jobs immigrants do. Even Trump has learned that. The fat bastard had to outsource someone to fuck him.

This is the result of our own prosperity.

Economics 101.

Make the legal supply meet the demand, and then those immigrants will be paying taxes just like the rest of us.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

When you watch it happen it's hardly a talking point.
It was no secret that these immigrants were willing to work for far less than their American counterparts.

So let's send them back to Mexico, and let them make Carrier air conditioners and Fords and Trump ties there for $2 an hour.

Fuck the Americans who are too stupid to compete with them, amiright?

I'd rather spend my tax dollars on tax breaks and incentives to keep American jobs here than on welfare for immigrants who send a huge portion of their wages back to mexico rather than spending it here supporting our tax base and local economies..

Wh

People have life circumstances that sometimes leads to minimum wage jobs. And who's supposed to do these jobs? Someone has to do it. Working at a fast food job doesn't mean you have no ambition.

A lot of people work fast food jobs to put themselves through college or to take care fo family. Some people have a sick parent or sibling.

There are a lot of reasons why someone might work a fast food job. You need to pay them a reasonable wage.

"reasonable wage" is not something that can be imposed by the government, it is decided by how much value a person adds to a service or product via their labor.

Seems to me a reasonable wage is the wage both parties agree to do work at

Sure. And every unskilled worker has plenty of clout with which to negotiate a higher wage.

Stop flooding the country with immigrants and the demand goes up along with wages.

Bull. Watch how Trump doesn't deport anyone. Then...try to guess why.

Lets wait and see if he does it or not. If he does wages will go up. If he doesnt we're in for more stagnant wages.
Personally having cheap labor only helps me since i'm retired,my concern is with the lack of tax base and the welfare of my country.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Fuck those Carrier workers. If they were responsible, motivated people, they would have acquired skills that couldn't be moved to Mexico to people who work for peanuts.

It's criminal that Trump used taxpayer money to bribe the owners to save those low-life, lazy, good-for-nothings their low skilled jobs.

Those mental midgets should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps!

Damn right!

You continue to be a full fledged asshole. Those Carrier jobs or any other skilled jobs that move out of country have little to do with the minimum wage. Therefore that is irrelevant to this thread. If you want to discuss free trade & all that other bullshit GO START YOUR OWN THREAD & stop posting your nonsense in this one.