Independents have no candidate

Where did I say that? She repudiated his amorous advances like the same day. Trump, on the other hand, pretended not to know who he was at first. A rookie mistake.


Because his views are well known. he left the reform party because David Duke joined it. He was nocer to Tapper than I would have been

Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he says something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.


Everyone has...jokes or even getting pissedmoff. Liam's nielson had a right o be pissed when his relative was raped.....somewhat if he said I want to kill a black, it's called being human tenant revenge.

I mean Clinton and Biden have said far more racist shit than Trump

Well Neeson's story is different. Revenge can be a helluva thing ...

My point is, Trump knows he has a lot of racists in his fanclub, and he is hesitant to offend them. He also throws them bones from time to time with his dog-whistles. In my opinion, it's all quite shrewd, calculated, and unfortunate that he feels the need to appeal to that sort of crowd.
 
Where did I say that? She repudiated his amorous advances like the same day. Trump, on the other hand, pretended not to know who he was at first. A rookie mistake.


Because his views are well known. he left the reform party because David Duke joined it. He was nocer to Tapper than I would have been

Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he say something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.

"Race baiting" is what I call it. Lotta wags on this board don't seem to know the difference but you don't have to be a racist to bait those who are. And Rump is a master baiter.


he is a master baiter, I'd agree.
but hes not racist....its ludicrous and I personally get along with blacks and they with me. we even joke and have fun.
I had a guy at work give me the black power salute and I'd return a hail Hitler and we talked and hung out all the time.

It was for fun, because ewe have humanity and not this ridiculous idea we have to save everyone.
 
Because his views are well known. he left the reform party because David Duke joined it. He was nocer to Tapper than I would have been

Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he say something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.

"Race baiting" is what I call it. Lotta wags on this board don't seem to know the difference but you don't have to be a racist to bait those who are. And Rump is a master baiter.


he is a master baiter, I'd agree.
but hes not racist....its ludicrous and I personally get along with blacks and they with me. we even joke and have fun.
I had a guy at work give me the black power salute and I'd return a hail Hitler and we talked and hung out all the time.

It was for fun, because ewe have humanity and not this ridiculous idea we have to save everyone.

You can't compare yourself joking around with people who know you personally and are okay with it, to the POTUS ... obviously he has a much larger responsibility to avoid uttering borderline racist remarks, since a lot of the people in his country are not white. The POTUS is the President of the United States, not President of White America.
 
Because his views are well known. he left the reform party because David Duke joined it. He was nocer to Tapper than I would have been

Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he says something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.


Everyone has...jokes or even getting pissedmoff. Liam's nielson had a right o be pissed when his relative was raped.....somewhat if he said I want to kill a black, it's called being human tenant revenge.

I mean Clinton and Biden have said far more racist shit than Trump

Well Neeson's story is different. Revenge can be a helluva thing ...

My point is, Trump knows he has a lot of racists in his fanclub, and he is hesitant to offend them. He also throws them bones from time to time with his dog-whistles. In my opinion, it's all quite shrewd, calculated, and unfortunate that he feels the need to appeal to that sort of crowd.


That's my point with Duke, they have their own agenda, they latch on to whoever and no he has no dog whistles.

Building a wall is said to be one, nope he just wants the border secure. he doesn't limit legal immigration tonl or against any group Illegal immigration is a no go, we dont know them and we like to have control of the process and it's best for our country.

I'd agree on liam
 
Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he say something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.

"Race baiting" is what I call it. Lotta wags on this board don't seem to know the difference but you don't have to be a racist to bait those who are. And Rump is a master baiter.


he is a master baiter, I'd agree.
but hes not racist....its ludicrous and I personally get along with blacks and they with me. we even joke and have fun.
I had a guy at work give me the black power salute and I'd return a hail Hitler and we talked and hung out all the time.

It was for fun, because ewe have humanity and not this ridiculous idea we have to save everyone.

You can't compare yourself joking around with people who know you personally and are okay with it, to the POTUS ... obviously he has a much larger responsibility to avoid uttering borderline racist remarks, since a lot of the people in his country are not white. The POTUS is the President of the United States, not President of White America.


He works aalot with blacks and Latinos, touts their achievements, the only thing he doesn't do is suck their dicks in the oval office.

he worked on sentencing reform a huge priority for blacks

he has pardoned people like ms Johnson who didnt deserve their sentancing, hes actually fair and thoughtful

hes just not polite with stupid questions and dumb ideas...aka a politician.......I like that

I like a president who says if you fuck with the us you will regret it, basically saying we can destroy you in seconds so watch your tone

The reason I brought up my story, is a lefty who didnt know me or him(and we had a lot of blacks working there, I'm from memphis) would want my life crushed and call me a.rcist.

we need to stop the gotcha rush to judgement and thrash each other on policies and ideas
 
Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he say something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.

"Race baiting" is what I call it. Lotta wags on this board don't seem to know the difference but you don't have to be a racist to bait those who are. And Rump is a master baiter.


he is a master baiter, I'd agree.
but hes not racist....its ludicrous and I personally get along with blacks and they with me. we even joke and have fun.
I had a guy at work give me the black power salute and I'd return a hail Hitler and we talked and hung out all the time.

It was for fun, because ewe have humanity and not this ridiculous idea we have to save everyone.

You can't compare yourself joking around with people who know you personally and are okay with it, to the POTUS ... obviously he has a much larger responsibility to avoid uttering borderline racist remarks, since a lot of the people in his country are not white. The POTUS is the President of the United States, not President of White America.

George Wallace built a whole career on race-baiting, speaking of Independent candidates. Like the others his plan was to siphon off enough electoral votes that the election would have to be thrown into the House of Representatives. Came close to doing it too.
 
Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he say something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.

"Race baiting" is what I call it. Lotta wags on this board don't seem to know the difference but you don't have to be a racist to bait those who are. And Rump is a master baiter.


he is a master baiter, I'd agree.
but hes not racist....its ludicrous and I personally get along with blacks and they with me. we even joke and have fun.
I had a guy at work give me the black power salute and I'd return a hail Hitler and we talked and hung out all the time.

It was for fun, because ewe have humanity and not this ridiculous idea we have to save everyone.

You can't compare yourself joking around with people who know you personally and are okay with it, to the POTUS ... obviously he has a much larger responsibility to avoid uttering borderline racist remarks, since a lot of the people in his country are not white. The POTUS is the President of the United States, not President of White America.

George Wallace built a whole career on race-baiting, speaking of Independent candidates. Like the others his plan was to siphon off enough electoral votes that the election would have to be thrown into the House of Representatives. Came close to doing it too.


I think he was pretty direct.....but yeah he was a piece of shit.....
He did come close but failed and were all thankful for that
 
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Unfortunately, the best we may be able to do is watch these two insane parties pull us apart even further, so the people demand some sanity.

As 2020 candidates turn left, some Democrats worry about the center

Party activists have been energized as Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris and other candidates endorsed plans to provide Medicare coverage to every American, some form of tuition-free college, a national $15 minimum wage and the so-called "Green New Deal" advocated by U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

But Trump and his allies in the Republican Party have seized on those stances to attack the Democratic 2020 field as outside the American political mainstream — a claim the president plans to make throughout his re-election campaign, according to sources with knowledge of his strategy.

Some Democrats fear the argument has potency. They worry the primary may produce a nominee who will not appeal to centrist working and middle-class voters who voted for Trump in 2016 but whom Democrats believe they can win back.

"The big progressive programs are popular in a caucus or primary electorate, but probably don't move the needle among voters who want to find someone who will change Washington by tilting the system to favor people in the middle — not the very rich or the very poor," said Jeff Link, an Iowa Democrat who worked for former President Barack Obama's campaign.


And speaking of that, Trump will call anything 'socialism.' Democrats might as well go big.
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C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he say something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.

"Race baiting" is what I call it. Lotta wags on this board don't seem to know the difference but you don't have to be a racist to bait those who are. And Rump is a master baiter.


he is a master baiter, I'd agree.
but hes not racist....its ludicrous and I personally get along with blacks and they with me. we even joke and have fun.
I had a guy at work give me the black power salute and I'd return a hail Hitler and we talked and hung out all the time.

It was for fun, because ewe have humanity and not this ridiculous idea we have to save everyone.

You can't compare yourself joking around with people who know you personally and are okay with it, to the POTUS ... obviously he has a much larger responsibility to avoid uttering borderline racist remarks, since a lot of the people in his country are not white. The POTUS is the President of the United States, not President of White America.

George Wallace built a whole career on race-baiting, speaking of Independent candidates. Like the others his plan was to siphon off enough electoral votes that the election would have to be thrown into the House of Representatives. Came close to doing it too.


I think he was pretty direct.....but yeah he was a piece of shit.....
He did come close but failed and were all thankful for that

We are, even if the end result was we got Nixon :eek:
The point though was, back to the topic, an example of the only way a third party can possibly hope to win the Presidency, by sucking off enough Electoral Votes from the D and R candidates that nobody comes out with 270.

We actually have a system where we can split our preferences to the point where the electorate's third and possibly fringe choice can get Constitutionally "elected". Quincy Adams got in this way even though Andrew Jackson finished more than ten points higher in the popular vote and won 15 more in the EC.
 
I feel like we have no real candidate. I kinda like Tulsi but she can never win. All the current leading dems are shit as well.

Until people accept that the choice from either major party are pieces of shit and vote in mass for a 3rd party, we will never have good choices. We need an election or two where people just say "fuck it, no longer voting the lesser of two evils" and show that someone outside the two party paradigm can get significant votes.

Ross Perot might have been able to do this had he not dropped out the first election.
I was interested to see the rumors of the Kasich/Hickenlooper (or Hickenlooper/Kasich, whatever) ticket, just to see if some non-crazies could get some support. As I understand it, it never materialized, sadly.
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Lol
No real conservative would ever vote for that ticket, kasich is Supported by the likes of Chris Matthews which makes him a progressive.
Chris Matthews is a fucking shit stain
 
I feel like we have no real candidate. I kinda like Tulsi but she can never win. All the current leading dems are shit as well.

Until people accept that the choice from either major party are pieces of shit and vote in mass for a 3rd party, we will never have good choices. We need an election or two where people just say "fuck it, no longer voting the lesser of two evils" and show that someone outside the two party paradigm can get significant votes.

Ross Perot might have been able to do this had he not dropped out the first election.
I was interested to see the rumors of the Kasich/Hickenlooper (or Hickenlooper/Kasich, whatever) ticket, just to see if some non-crazies could get some support. As I understand it, it never materialized, sadly.
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Lol
No real conservative would ever vote for that ticket, kasich is Supported by the likes of Chris Matthews which makes him a progressive.
Chris Matthews is a fucking shit stain
I wouldn't expect conservatives to vote for it.

I do think many who are turned off by the two insane parties might, though.
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Where did I say that? She repudiated his amorous advances like the same day. Trump, on the other hand, pretended not to know who he was at first. A rookie mistake.


Because his views are well known. he left the reform party because David Duke joined it. He was nocer to Tapper than I would have been

Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he says something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.


Everyone has...jokes or even getting pissedmoff. Liam's nielson had a right o be pissed when his relative was raped.....somewhat if he said I want to kill a black, it's called being human tenant revenge.

I mean Clinton and Biden have said far more racist shit than Trump

If Neeson had been told the rapist was white, would he have gone looking for a random white guy?
 
We've had third party candidates before.

Ross Perot probably gave us Clinton

Nader almost definitely gave us Bush

Stein probably at least helped give us Trump

You really want to take that chance again?
Lol
Ross Perot definitely gave us Clinton, no one voting for Ross Perot would’ve voted for Clinton

Nader is debatable, But most likely those voters would have just not showed up to the polls

Stein did not help Trump at all... More people voted for the conservative/libertarian candidates in the popular vote. Gary Johnson hurt trump far more, No Gary Johnson voter would’ve voted for the Hildabeast
2016 Presidential General Election Results

So, you’re wrong again...
 
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Well congrats shes backed by David Duke, which automatically means shes a racist (your lefty rules not mine)

Where did I say that? She repudiated his amorous advances like the same day. Trump, on the other hand, pretended not to know who he was at first. A rookie mistake.


Because his views are well known. he left the reform party because David Duke joined it. He was nocer to Tapper than I would have been

Well why not just say "I don't want David Duke's support" right away? It's not hard. In fact, it's quite easy.

I don't know whether Trump is a racist, but he certainly plays one on TV, and he certainly knows what motivates his "base".


Because Tapper was aware of it and the left does this shit. He knew he wasnt a Duke fan, but he wanted to keep the narrative and Trump fucked with him......
A Republican will always be tarred a racist by the media.......Noone ever called Trump one before he attack Obama

C'mon ... let's not pretend Trump hasn't flirted with racism many, many times over. Has he ever come out and said something where I was like, "That is 100%, undisputably a racist statement"? No. But he's said many things that made me scratch my head and wonder "why ... why would he say something like that? He has to know how people are going to perceive it". I believe they call it "dog-whistling".

That's not even mentioning the controversies of his past, before he became candidate Trump. Don't try and bullshit me, buddy.
You obviously do not know what real racism is...
 
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Unfortunately, the best we may be able to do is watch these two insane parties pull us apart even further, so the people demand some sanity.

As 2020 candidates turn left, some Democrats worry about the center

Party activists have been energized as Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris and other candidates endorsed plans to provide Medicare coverage to every American, some form of tuition-free college, a national $15 minimum wage and the so-called "Green New Deal" advocated by U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

But Trump and his allies in the Republican Party have seized on those stances to attack the Democratic 2020 field as outside the American political mainstream — a claim the president plans to make throughout his re-election campaign, according to sources with knowledge of his strategy.

Some Democrats fear the argument has potency. They worry the primary may produce a nominee who will not appeal to centrist working and middle-class voters who voted for Trump in 2016 but whom Democrats believe they can win back.

"The big progressive programs are popular in a caucus or primary electorate, but probably don't move the needle among voters who want to find someone who will change Washington by tilting the system to favor people in the middle — not the very rich or the very poor," said Jeff Link, an Iowa Democrat who worked for former President Barack Obama's campaign.


And speaking of that, Trump will call anything 'socialism.' Democrats might as well go big.


This is all yet another extension of the "big lie" that traces back to the Red Scare daze, where the terms "communist" and "socialist" were intentionally tarnished and conflated with the more authoritarian European governments (and ignored with the less authoritarian ones to which the same labels could apply) as political pandering --- which also led to the intentional slurring of Liberalism by the same hyperconservative demagogues in the McCarthy era.

Ronald Reagan dabbled in this deceit specifically about "socialized medicine" in 1961 --- when the eeeebil plot of Medicare was imminent.



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Notice that right at the start Reagan uses a quote from Norman Thomas conflating socialism with "liberalism". This is a fake quote. When you're selling deceit, veracity is the first casualty.

Author Upton Sinclair, who ran for both Congress (as a Socialist) and Governor of California (as a Democrat), noted the effect of deceitfully demonized terms:

"The American People will take Socialism, but they won’t take the label. I certainly proved it in the case of EPIC. Running on the Socialist ticket I got 60,000 votes, and running on the slogan to ‘End Poverty in California’ I got 879,000. I think we simply have to recognize the fact that our enemies have succeeded in spreading the Big Lie."​

Sadly this deceit slugs on even today. Scores of posters on this board fling "socialist" around like so many turds, yet can't explain why it's a turd even while they use socialist innovations like the internet to fling them. Ultimately it's the result of the failure of critical thinking. Nobody asks "why", they just swallow any emotional hook that matches what they want to hear. Context and meaning and veracity be damned. Drones are led around by the nose by emotional bullshit and they go willingly.

Another example readily visible on this venue is the proliferation of fake quotes like Reagan's from 58 years ago and photoshopped images. Indeed there is nothing new about "fake news"; only its technology has changed. Reagan did it on a vinyl record; today we do it on Tweeter and Nosebook. But poisoning terminology has a long and infamous history.
 
I feel like we have no real candidate. I kinda like Tulsi but she can never win. All the current leading dems are shit as well.

Until people accept that the choice from either major party are pieces of shit and vote in mass for a 3rd party, we will never have good choices. We need an election or two where people just say "fuck it, no longer voting the lesser of two evils" and show that someone outside the two party paradigm can get significant votes.

Ross Perot might have been able to do this had he not dropped out the first election.
I was interested to see the rumors of the Kasich/Hickenlooper (or Hickenlooper/Kasich, whatever) ticket, just to see if some non-crazies could get some support. As I understand it, it never materialized, sadly.
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Lol
No real conservative would ever vote for that ticket, kasich is Supported by the likes of Chris Matthews which makes him a progressive.
Chris Matthews is a fucking shit stain

No real conservative would ever vote for Trump...yet here we are...
 

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