It’s Time to Formally Declare America A Christian Nation.

[Mashmont]

The immorality was living a lie and hurting women and children.

The immorality was immoral acts and harming others collaterally by those immoral acts.

 

[Vegasgiants]

The immorality was immoral acts and harming others collaterally by those immoral acts.

In your opinion

 

[Mashmont]

Agreed. Gay sex in and of itself in not immoral

Gay sex and any illicit sex are immoral because they lead to objectively bad consequences. That's just the facts.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Gay sex and any illicit sex are immoral because they lead to objectively bad consequences. That's just the facts.

That is your opinion


No they are not and no they do not


That is my opinion

 

[Mashmont]

That is your opinion


No they are not and no they do not


That is my opinion

Would anybody argue that the AIDS epidemic was very bad? A disproportionate number of HIV cases involve gay sex. And every single instance of HIV is traceable to illicit sex, most directly, some indirectly. That's the just the facts.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Would anybody argue that the AIDS epidemic was very bad? The majority of HIV cases in the US involved gay sex. And every single instance of HIV is traceable to illicit sex, most directly, some indirectly. That's the just the facts.

Veneral diseases were around long before aids. Syphilis killed many straight people


Monogamous gay sex is no more likely to produce veneral disease than monogamous straight sex


That is fact not opinion

 

[Mashmont]

Veneral diseases were around long before aids. Syphilis killed many straight people


Monogamous gay sex is no more likely to produce veneral disease than monogamous straight sex


That is fact not opinion

Likewise every single instance of VD --in addition to HIV--is and was traceable to illicit sex, either directly or indirectly. That makes my point even stronger.
Illicit sex leads to BAD results. Objective statement.
Illicit sex is immoral. Objective statement.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Likewise every single instance of VD --in addition to HIV--is and was traceable to illicit sex, either directly or indirectly. That makes my point even stronger.

No. There is no evidence of that at all.

I dismiss your claim


But basically you are saying you have a problem with illicit sex....not specifically gay or straight sex

 

[Mashmont]

No. There is no evidence of that at all.

I dismiss your claim

Could you give an example of how HIV or VD could be contracted in a manner that isn't traceable to an act of illicit sex?

 

[Vegasgiants]

Could you give an example of how HIV or VD could be contracted in a manner that isn't traceable to an act of illicit sex?

IV drug use

Blood transfusion

Needle stick


Is that enough? You must PROVE the origin was always from sex


And again your problem is with illicit sex....not gay sex

 

[Mashmont]

But basically you are saying you have a problem with illicit sex....not specifically gay or straight sex

And again your problem is with illicit sex....not gay sex

But isn't it curious that HIV cases have overwhelmingly involved homosexuals? If there is no difference, then why the disproportion of gays?

 

[Mashmont]

IV drug use

Blood transfusion

Needle stick


Is that enough? You must PROVE the origin was always from sex


And again your problem is with illicit sex....not gay sex

The rare instances of infection of HIV by IV drug use or transfusions is traceable to those who had illicit sex then infected a needle and/or blood.

 

[Vegasgiants]

But isn't it curious why HIV cases have overwhelmingly involved homosexuals? If there is no difference, then why the disproportion of gays?

Much like it was curious that syphilis was overwhelmingly involved with heterosexuals

 

[Vegasgiants]

Infection of HIV by IV drug use is traceable to those who had illicit sex then infected a needle.

That is a claim I see no evidence for


Regardless your problem is with illicit sex not gay sex

 

[Mashmont]

Regardless your problem is with illicit sex not gay sex

I'll ask again. Why have HIV patients been overwhelmingly homosexuals?

 

[Mashmont]

Much like it was curious that syphilis was overwhelmingly involved with heterosexuals

That's incorrect. The vast majority of syphilis cases in the US involve homosexuals.

 

[Vegasgiants]

That's incorrect. The vast majority of syphilis cases in the US involve homosexuals.

That's incorrect. The vast majority of syphilis cases in the US involve homosexuals.

Ok prove that claim

 

[Vegasgiants]

I'll ask again. Why have HIV patients been overwhelmingly homosexuals?

I'll ask again. Why are the vast majority of syphilis cases for centuries overwhelmingly heterosexual?

 

[WinterBorn]

Nature defines it. It doesn't matter what you or I say about it. Bad consequences result from immorality. That's the way it is.

Is the equality of women immoral?

 

[Mashmont]

Ok prove that claim

In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.

Sexually Transmitted Diseases Among Gay and Bisexual Men | CDC

Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been increasing among gay and bisexual men.

www.cdc.gov