Jaw-Dropping Liberalism

[Slade3200]

I don't think PoliticalChic understands what Liberalism means

I don't????

Well, you'd best re-read the OP, and you'll find that I understand Liberalism far too well.

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

Yeah right... I know your type, you love being on the soapbox and hearing yourself speak and you have a serious lack of awareness about how you sound and how others perceive you... You must be loving our new POTUS

 

[Slade3200]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

 

[jc456]

Being empathetic to your fellow man is a mental disorder?

Sooooo.....you got Caitlyn Jenner's number?


You two have decided on "We've Only Just Begun" as your first song?


Dang, you're a good Liberal.

handles his orders well.

 

[jc456]

I don't????

Well, you'd best re-read the OP, and you'll find that I understand Liberalism far too well.

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

Yeah right... I know your type, you love being on the soapbox and hearing yourself speak and you have a serious lack of awareness about how you sound and how others perceive you... You must be loving our new POTUS

 

[Timmy]

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

Funny , your point of view on LGBT falls more in new with nazis.

How many times are dunces gonna respond to posts with which they can't find a way to dispute with ..."you....youuuuuuu.....Nazis you!!!"

You are an intellect rivaled by garden tools.

You brought up the Nazis! Do you even read your own cut-and-paste garbage?

 

[Slade3200]

I don't think PoliticalChic understands what Liberalism means

I don't????

Well, you'd best re-read the OP, and you'll find that I understand Liberalism far too well.

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

You obviously don't click links... Do you just have a log of "copy and paste" phrases that you work off of. How about you read, comprehend, think then respond with your own thoughts. Here is the definition of Fascism

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]

 

[Slade3200]

I don't????

Well, you'd best re-read the OP, and you'll find that I understand Liberalism far too well.

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

You obviously don't click links... Do you just have a log of "copy and paste" phrases that you work off of. How about you read, comprehend, think then respond with your own thoughts. Here is the definition of Fascism

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]

Since you are such a fan of the copy and paste here you go... I even used fun colors so you can see exactly where you are wrong:

Ideological groupings across the spectrum
Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform, and internationalism," while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism."[15]

Political scientists and other analysts regard the Left as including anarchists,[16][17] communists, socialists and social democrats,[18] left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals.[19][20] Movements for racial equality are also usually linked with left-wing organizations.[21] Trade unionism is also associated with the left.[22]

Political scientists and other analysts regard the Right as including Christian democrats, classical liberals, conservatives, right-libertarians,[23] neoconservatives, imperialists, monarchists,[24] fascists,[25] reactionaries, and traditionalists.

A number of significant political movements—including feminism and regionalism—do not fit precisely into the left-right spectrum.[26] Nationalism is often regarded as characteristic of the right, although nationalism is also sometimes present in the left.[27] Populism is regarded as having both left-wing and right-wing manifestations (see left-wing populism, right-wing populism).[28] Green politics is often regarded as a movement of the left, but in some ways the green movement is difficult to definitively categorize as left or right.[29]

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't????

Well, you'd best re-read the OP, and you'll find that I understand Liberalism far too well.

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

Yeah right... I know your type, you love being on the soapbox and hearing yourself speak and you have a serious lack of awareness about how you sound and how others perceive you... You must be loving our new POTUS

1. "Yeah right... I know your type,.."

Wrong again.
I have no 'type'....I'm unique, and you're lucky to have even a passing acquaintance with one of my caliber.
Consider yourself blessed.


2. " you have a serious lack of awareness about how you sound and how others perceive you..."

You don't really imagine (I almost said 'think') that I have the slightest interest in how you perceive me.

If you are so benighted as to not be considering beginning a religion based on my life, well.....shows how much of a dolt you truly are.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

Gads, you're a moron.

What is called 'Liberalism' today is socialism, and not the classical liberalism that you on the Left have tried to claim.

Let's see if you are capable of learning.


"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
by Jim Peron

1. Pity the poor liberal. And I mean the real liberal. Not the modern watered-down socialist who calls himself a liberal but a real, honest, classical liberal. There is so much confusion over the term and real liberals have allowed fake liberals to get away with this subtle destruction of the language.
2. The classical liberals proposed laissez faire and this led to prosperity. The economics of 19th century liberalism brought about a major increase in the standard of living of all people. Thus real liberalism produced the effects which socialists dreamed their system would provide.
   1. Many socialists wanted prosperity and thought socialism would lead to such results faster than classical liberalism. But at the same time many socialists saw their ideology as a means of grabbing power for themselves and it was the power, not the promised prosperity, which attracted them.
3. [Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.
4. In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. Dewey, in his book Individualism Old and New argued that liberal individualism had in fact disappeared and been replaced by state capitalism and that collectivism already existed in America.
   1. But he noted the collectivism of that day was a “collectivism of profit” and not a “collectivism of planning”. He said the only way liberalism could return to its true meaning was to adopt socialism as the means by which liberal goals would be achieved. As he put it central economic planning was “the sole method of social action by which liberalism can realize its professed aims.”
5. Peter Witonski, in his essay The Historical Roots of American Planning said: “Dewey was the first to argue that the world ‘liberal’—which once stood for liberal, free-market capitalism—could better serve the needs of social democracy in America than the world ‘socialism’.
   1. The liberalism of Adam Smith was out-of-date Dewey argued.” In his book Liberalism and Social Action, Dewey suggested that the goals of a free society could best be obtained “only by a reversal of the means to which early liberalism was committed.” But the means of liberalism were fundamentally connected to the basic premises of liberalism. A reversal of means, while keeping similar goals in mind, also changed the premises of liberalism. The “new wisdom” of Keynes with the “reversal of means” of Dewey really meant stealing the name of liberalism and applying it to another very different species. The famed economist Joseph Schumpeter noted that “the enemies of private enterprise have thought it wise to appropriate its label.”
6. Today a great deal of confusion reigns because socialists decided to deceptively call their own ideology liberal. And, to a very large degree, the academics who wrote the recent texts on liberalism were socialists. Hence they were quite willing to pretend that socialism was a modern form of classical liberalism.
7. [Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments. o-called “liberals” support socialism, state ownership, bureaucratic management and statism.
   

http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

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[PoliticalChic]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

BTW, dunce.....there are no "conservative "Radical extremists"


The Founders were classical liberals, or what would be called conservatives today.
They stood for individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

None of these do:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Socialism, Nazism, Fascism, or Communism.

Get it yet, you moron???

 

[TheDude]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

Yes, liberalism was a major contributor to what created western civilization. You know, such as the Republicans freeing the slaves. That doesn't justify the behavior and "thought" of today's left. No reason to pretend there's a comparison. Conservative radical extremists, such as ISIS, Korea etc.?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't????

Well, you'd best re-read the OP, and you'll find that I understand Liberalism far too well.

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

You obviously don't click links... Do you just have a log of "copy and paste" phrases that you work off of. How about you read, comprehend, think then respond with your own thoughts. Here is the definition of Fascism

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]

OK, ok.....stop begging.

A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to educate a Liberal.

Here's your lesson:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

They are all the same in their ultimate plan for society: a totalitarian regime with the peons marching lock-step.



Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....
...You're so dense that light bends around you.

 

[Slade3200]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

Gads, you're a moron.

What is called 'Liberalism' today is socialism, and not the classical liberalism that you on the Left have tried to claim.

Let's see if you are capable of learning.


"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
by Jim Peron

1. Pity the poor liberal. And I mean the real liberal. Not the modern watered-down socialist who calls himself a liberal but a real, honest, classical liberal. There is so much confusion over the term and real liberals have allowed fake liberals to get away with this subtle destruction of the language.
2. The classical liberals proposed laissez faire and this led to prosperity. The economics of 19th century liberalism brought about a major increase in the standard of living of all people. Thus real liberalism produced the effects which socialists dreamed their system would provide.
   1. Many socialists wanted prosperity and thought socialism would lead to such results faster than classical liberalism. But at the same time many socialists saw their ideology as a means of grabbing power for themselves and it was the power, not the promised prosperity, which attracted them.
3. [Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.
4. In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. Dewey, in his book Individualism Old and New argued that liberal individualism had in fact disappeared and been replaced by state capitalism and that collectivism already existed in America.
   1. But he noted the collectivism of that day was a “collectivism of profit” and not a “collectivism of planning”. He said the only way liberalism could return to its true meaning was to adopt socialism as the means by which liberal goals would be achieved. As he put it central economic planning was “the sole method of social action by which liberalism can realize its professed aims.”
5. Peter Witonski, in his essay The Historical Roots of American Planning said: “Dewey was the first to argue that the world ‘liberal’—which once stood for liberal, free-market capitalism—could better serve the needs of social democracy in America than the world ‘socialism’.
   1. The liberalism of Adam Smith was out-of-date Dewey argued.” In his book Liberalism and Social Action, Dewey suggested that the goals of a free society could best be obtained “only by a reversal of the means to which early liberalism was committed.” But the means of liberalism were fundamentally connected to the basic premises of liberalism. A reversal of means, while keeping similar goals in mind, also changed the premises of liberalism. The “new wisdom” of Keynes with the “reversal of means” of Dewey really meant stealing the name of liberalism and applying it to another very different species. The famed economist Joseph Schumpeter noted that “the enemies of private enterprise have thought it wise to appropriate its label.”
6. Today a great deal of confusion reigns because socialists decided to deceptively call their own ideology liberal. And, to a very large degree, the academics who wrote the recent texts on liberalism were socialists. Hence they were quite willing to pretend that socialism was a modern form of classical liberalism.
7. [Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments. o-called “liberals” support socialism, state ownership, bureaucratic management and statism.

http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

Democracy & free markets vs socialism

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Oh so I'm a moron because I refer to liberalism as true liberalism when it is obviously socialism by your standards?. Ok smarty pants, keep going with that logic

 

[PoliticalChic]

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

You obviously don't click links... Do you just have a log of "copy and paste" phrases that you work off of. How about you read, comprehend, think then respond with your own thoughts. Here is the definition of Fascism

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]

Since you are such a fan of the copy and paste here you go... I even used fun colors so you can see exactly where you are wrong:

Ideological groupings across the spectrum
Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform, and internationalism," while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism."[15]

Political scientists and other analysts regard the Left as including anarchists,[16][17] communists, socialists and social democrats,[18] left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals.[19][20] Movements for racial equality are also usually linked with left-wing organizations.[21] Trade unionism is also associated with the left.[22]

Political scientists and other analysts regard the Right as including Christian democrats, classical liberals, conservatives, right-libertarians,[23] neoconservatives, imperialists, monarchists,[24] fascists,[25] reactionaries, and traditionalists.

A number of significant political movements—including feminism and regionalism—do not fit precisely into the left-right spectrum.[26] Nationalism is often regarded as characteristic of the right, although nationalism is also sometimes present in the left.[27] Populism is regarded as having both left-wing and right-wing manifestations (see left-wing populism, right-wing populism).[28] Green politics is often regarded as a movement of the left, but in some ways the green movement is difficult to definitively categorize as left or right.[29]

That 'spectrum' was made up by Leftists to hide the truth, and to give morons like you your marching orders.


Here's the truth...jot it down:

"American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism.

“Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.”

This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin,..."
Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks
Goldberg, Liberal Fascism

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

Gads, you're a moron.

What is called 'Liberalism' today is socialism, and not the classical liberalism that you on the Left have tried to claim.

Let's see if you are capable of learning.


"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
by Jim Peron

1. Pity the poor liberal. And I mean the real liberal. Not the modern watered-down socialist who calls himself a liberal but a real, honest, classical liberal. There is so much confusion over the term and real liberals have allowed fake liberals to get away with this subtle destruction of the language.
2. The classical liberals proposed laissez faire and this led to prosperity. The economics of 19th century liberalism brought about a major increase in the standard of living of all people. Thus real liberalism produced the effects which socialists dreamed their system would provide.
   1. Many socialists wanted prosperity and thought socialism would lead to such results faster than classical liberalism. But at the same time many socialists saw their ideology as a means of grabbing power for themselves and it was the power, not the promised prosperity, which attracted them.
3. [Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.
4. In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. Dewey, in his book Individualism Old and New argued that liberal individualism had in fact disappeared and been replaced by state capitalism and that collectivism already existed in America.
   1. But he noted the collectivism of that day was a “collectivism of profit” and not a “collectivism of planning”. He said the only way liberalism could return to its true meaning was to adopt socialism as the means by which liberal goals would be achieved. As he put it central economic planning was “the sole method of social action by which liberalism can realize its professed aims.”
5. Peter Witonski, in his essay The Historical Roots of American Planning said: “Dewey was the first to argue that the world ‘liberal’—which once stood for liberal, free-market capitalism—could better serve the needs of social democracy in America than the world ‘socialism’.
   1. The liberalism of Adam Smith was out-of-date Dewey argued.” In his book Liberalism and Social Action, Dewey suggested that the goals of a free society could best be obtained “only by a reversal of the means to which early liberalism was committed.” But the means of liberalism were fundamentally connected to the basic premises of liberalism. A reversal of means, while keeping similar goals in mind, also changed the premises of liberalism. The “new wisdom” of Keynes with the “reversal of means” of Dewey really meant stealing the name of liberalism and applying it to another very different species. The famed economist Joseph Schumpeter noted that “the enemies of private enterprise have thought it wise to appropriate its label.”
6. Today a great deal of confusion reigns because socialists decided to deceptively call their own ideology liberal. And, to a very large degree, the academics who wrote the recent texts on liberalism were socialists. Hence they were quite willing to pretend that socialism was a modern form of classical liberalism.
7. [Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments. o-called “liberals” support socialism, state ownership, bureaucratic management and statism.

http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

Democracy & free markets vs socialism

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Oh so I'm a moron because I refer to liberalism as true liberalism when it is obviously socialism by your standards?. Ok smarty pants, keep going with that logic

I just gave you an essay that explained how communist John Dewey prevailed on the Socialist Party to change it's name to 'Liberal.'

Can't you read????

 

[koshergrl]

I don't think PoliticalChic understands what Liberalism means

I don't????

Well, you'd best re-read the OP, and you'll find that I understand Liberalism far too well.

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

Ten years ago, dumb liberals stood by and allowed their party to be hijacked by marxists. When people realized what was going on, all the marxist liberals started insisting they weren't really liberals, they were democrats.

Now they are owning their marxist roots, and want to be called "progressives".

It doesn't matter. They're all anti-American, anti-Christian, death cultist scumbags who want to destroy the US and every aspect of decent American culture, to be replaced with a genetically controlled, slave class that will abjectly serve the state and the pigs who claw their way or are born into positions of power.

They should all be deported or executed. Let them choose.

 

[Slade3200]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

BTW, dunce.....there are no "conservative "Radical extremists"


The Founders were classical liberals, or what would be called conservatives today.
They stood for individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

None of these do:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Socialism, Nazism, Fascism, or Communism.

Get it yet, you moron???

I get that you are looney and making up/switching definitions around. Islam is very conservative and the war with the west is focused on a hatred of liberal ideals.

You are correct about the spirit of the founders being classic liberals... there are still many that share this spirit in both republican and democratic parties.

 

[Slade3200]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

Yes, liberalism was a major contributor to what created western civilization. You know, such as the Republicans freeing the slaves. That doesn't justify the behavior and "thought" of today's left. No reason to pretend there's a comparison. Conservative radical extremists, such as ISIS, Korea etc.?

Yes ISIS and Korea would fit in the "radical right" but I'm not going to imply that all convservatives are like minded with them like the OP is trying to do to the left.

 

[Slade3200]

You sound pretty ignorant. I think you are talking about progressives/socialist... definitely not Liberals. Regardless you are cherry picking extreme examples to try and define an entire ideology.

And....as you've demanded it....and are sorely in need of same.....here is your lesson in history:
These six are all variations on the same theme-
Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.


Now do you see why you shouldn't have dropped out of school after two tries at the third grade?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true. While those six fall on the "Left" side of the spectrum, except fascism... there are vast differences within each ideology. To lump them all together shows a tremendous lack of intellectual effort. They call that "dumbing down"

Here, read up:
Fascism - Wikipedia

Liberalism - Wikipedia

Including Fascism.

Or....explain how the Liberal demigod took Mussolini's programs wholesale and imposed them on America.

1. " It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit., p. 48



All six.....Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Nazism, and Fascism.....are doctrinal peas in the same pod.


I say it, and it is true.
I'm never wrong.

You obviously don't click links... Do you just have a log of "copy and paste" phrases that you work off of. How about you read, comprehend, think then respond with your own thoughts. Here is the definition of Fascism

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]

OK, ok.....stop begging.

A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to educate a Liberal.

Here's your lesson:

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

They are all the same in their ultimate plan for society: a totalitarian regime with the peons marching lock-step.



Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....
...You're so dense that light bends around you.

YOU are just wrong. I can easily prove it. Take myself for example… You would consider me a liberal by your distorted definition... But I support small government, I support lower taxes for the poor and middle-class, I support less regulation for small businesses. I support conservative fiscal policy. How does all that figure into your equation

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberalism is the enemy of western civilization.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Liberalism is what created western civilization. It's why the conservative "Radical extremists" want to destroy it.

BTW, dunce.....there are no "conservative "Radical extremists"


The Founders were classical liberals, or what would be called conservatives today.
They stood for individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

None of these do:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Socialism, Nazism, Fascism, or Communism.

Get it yet, you moron???

I get that you are looney and making up/switching definitions around. Islam is very conservative and the war with the west is focused on a hatred of liberal ideals.

You are correct about the spirit of the founders being classic liberals... there are still many that share this spirit in both republican and democratic parties.

I provide the truth, in linked, sourced and documented posts.

Either you're too dumb to recognize it, or a congenital liar.

You pick.