Kochroaches

[Wry Catcher]

Well if the larger oil companies had not sued Fred Koch, he would have never of had to go overseas.

In 1927, Koch developed a more efficient thermal cracking process for turning crude oil into gasoline which allowed smaller players in the industry to better compete with the oil majors. The larger oil companies quickly sued in response, filing 44 different lawsuits against Koch, and embroiling him in litigation for years. Koch was to prevail in all but one of the suits (which was later over-turned due to the fact that the judge had been bribed).

This extended litigation effectively put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union, where Winkler-Koch built 15 cracking units between 1929 and 1932. The company also built installations in countries throughout Europe, the Middle East and Asia.
Fred C. Koch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some good came out of it. Fred Koch got to see what Communism was all about and helped him to recognize it here in the U.S.A.

Yes, they aren't the first 'free market' types to have failed competing with others and moved on to less 'free markets' to make money, in this case from a vicious dictator, and later in pipelines, which hire out governments to use imminent domain laws to keep from having to pay 'free market' prices for the land they push their pipelines over, that sort of 'free market' stuff.

Getting sued is not failed competition. Filing 44 different lawsuits against Koch, and embroiling him in litigation for years is big companies not allowing smaller players in the industry to not compete with the oil majors.

No better argument can be proffered in support of government regulation and oversight. Good for you Peach.

 

[peach174]

Yes, they aren't the first 'free market' types to have failed competing with others and moved on to less 'free markets' to make money, in this case from a vicious dictator, and later in pipelines, which hire out governments to use imminent domain laws to keep from having to pay 'free market' prices for the land they push their pipelines over, that sort of 'free market' stuff.

Getting sued is not failed competition. Filing 44 different lawsuits against Koch, and embroiling him in litigation for years is big companies not allowing smaller players in the industry to not compete with the oil majors.

No better argument can be proffered in support of government regulation and oversight. Good for you Peach.

We all want good regulations, not over regulations.

 

[birddog]

Another 'brilliant' post by a non liberal (or should I write, liberal hater?). As one who knows the truth, would you please share it with us and in the process how you identify yourself. Are you a "conservative", a "neo fascist", a "Republican", an "Iconoclast" or simply a "curmudgeon"?

I doubt I could explain the truth to you as you would be incapable of understanding.

I am a Conservative Republican, but I'm a bit liberal with abortion and homosexuals.

I doubt you had a clue when you wrote "(liberals) scurry when the light of truth is shone on them!"; it was nothing more than an attack on those you have been taught to hate, i.e. anyone who disagrees with the conservative dogma.

Thus I conclude you are one of the willfully ignorant, happy with the ideology commonly held and broadcast by conservative radio hosts and Fox Newscasters (or at least those who write for them); too lazy or incapable of critical examination on political issues of the day, you simply parrot the company line.

The issue stated in the OP may not be clear to you. It's about money in politics and I used a current news article as an example. Try to respond to the issue.

Please don't try to talk down to your superiors as it's rather unbecoming.

Both major political parties receive huge amounts of money from corporations and fat cats! Big deal, everyone knows that. Geeez!

 

[bedowin62]

my my; but left-wing nutjobs sure are afraid of big right-wing Kochs!

 

[Wry Catcher]

I doubt I could explain the truth to you as you would be incapable of understanding.

I am a Conservative Republican, but I'm a bit liberal with abortion and homosexuals.

I doubt you had a clue when you wrote "(liberals) scurry when the light of truth is shone on them!"; it was nothing more than an attack on those you have been taught to hate, i.e. anyone who disagrees with the conservative dogma.

Thus I conclude you are one of the willfully ignorant, happy with the ideology commonly held and broadcast by conservative radio hosts and Fox Newscasters (or at least those who write for them); too lazy or incapable of critical examination on political issues of the day, you simply parrot the company line.

The issue stated in the OP may not be clear to you. It's about money in politics and I used a current news article as an example. Try to respond to the issue.

Please don't try to talk down to your superiors as it's rather unbecoming.

Both major political parties receive huge amounts of money from corporations and fat cats! Big deal, everyone knows that. Geeez!

A rather narcissistic beginning, and one which strongly suggests the author is anything but an egalitarian. No surprise there; a good example of the ethos of the set of callous conservatives.

That he sees this thread as one of partisanship, no matter how many times I have explained it is about Money in Politics, and the Brothers Koch are but one example, suggests a smidgen of dishonesty and why he continues to play a stupid little game.

 

[bedowin62]

yawn

another Kochophobe

libs are losers

 

[jasonnfree]

Supporting a person's campaign isn't "buying" the government.

Do you have any evidence that people are being bought?

Just because people agree on issues doesn't mean they are being bought.

Do you liberals think the Koch bros. should support people in the democrat party who would vote against their interests?

The evidence of politicians being bought off is the millions being put in campaigns for decades. Big money wouldn't be doing this if it didn't pay off.

Really??? MIllions of "big money" goes to Polo ponies and HUGE sailboats and that never pays off either..

Polo ponies and HUGE sailboats are rich men's hobbies. So you're really saying what? That donating to campaigns are just hobbies, pastimes, with no hope of financial gain in the future? Nice try.

 

[birddog]

I doubt you had a clue when you wrote "(liberals) scurry when the light of truth is shone on them!"; it was nothing more than an attack on those you have been taught to hate, i.e. anyone who disagrees with the conservative dogma.

Thus I conclude you are one of the willfully ignorant, happy with the ideology commonly held and broadcast by conservative radio hosts and Fox Newscasters (or at least those who write for them); too lazy or incapable of critical examination on political issues of the day, you simply parrot the company line.

The issue stated in the OP may not be clear to you. It's about money in politics and I used a current news article as an example. Try to respond to the issue.

Please don't try to talk down to your superiors as it's rather unbecoming.

Both major political parties receive huge amounts of money from corporations and fat cats! Big deal, everyone knows that. Geeez!

A rather narcissistic beginning, and one which strongly suggests the author is anything but an egalitarian. No surprise there; a good example of the ethos of the set of callous conservatives.

That he sees this thread as one of partisanship, no matter how many times I have explained it is about Money in Politics, and the Brothers Koch are but one example, suggests a smidgen of dishonesty and why he continues to play a stupid little game.

It's true that common sense, honesty, and forthrightness have often been my trademarks.

I already agreed that there is huge amounts of money in politics provided to both parties by many corporations and rich people. Try to keep up.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Please don't try to talk down to your superiors as it's rather unbecoming.

Both major political parties receive huge amounts of money from corporations and fat cats! Big deal, everyone knows that. Geeez!

A rather narcissistic beginning, and one which strongly suggests the author is anything but an egalitarian. No surprise there; a good example of the ethos of the set of callous conservatives.

That he sees this thread as one of partisanship, no matter how many times I have explained it is about Money in Politics, and the Brothers Koch are but one example, suggests a smidgen of dishonesty and why he continues to play a stupid little game.

It's true that common sense, honesty, and forthrightness have often been my trademarks.

I already agreed that there is huge amounts of money in politics provided to both parties by many corporations and rich people. Try to keep up.

My 14-month old Border Collie Mix has common sense, is honest and forthright. Of course she has no interest in Supreme Court Decisions, thus you have much in common with her.

 

[flacaltenn]

The evidence of politicians being bought off is the millions being put in campaigns for decades. Big money wouldn't be doing this if it didn't pay off.

Really??? MIllions of "big money" goes to Polo ponies and HUGE sailboats and that never pays off either..

Polo ponies and HUGE sailboats are rich men's hobbies. So you're really saying what? That donating to campaigns are just hobbies, pastimes, with no hope of financial gain in the future? Nice try.

It's not just for the rich.. I myself have given considerable amounts of time and money to the Libertarian Party -- KNOWING it was a matter of principle and not expecting miracles. It's not for you to deny my ability to support causes that you dont like.. Whether they pay off or not..

And YES -- about as much thought is given to the huge sailboat and the polo pony as most of those "causes of conscience"..

 

[eagle7_31]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Tea Brains are content to be used as pawns by Koch Bros.

Like left wingers being pawns of Soros, Buffett and others? Try again.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

 

[Contumacious]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

That he knows that he will have to wash a lot of dishes in his lifetime and will never be a millionaire. Socialists are driven by envy.

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[buckeye45_73]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

That he knows that he will have to wash a lot of dishes in his lifetime and will never be a millionaire. Socialists are driven by envy.

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I think it's more than that though....Notice they never bitch about rich liberals?

I mean these people just bitch about talking points, yet never bother to look at the logic and they only blame the right....

With people like Wry, I can totally see how a Hitler can come to power, as a kid, I could never figure out how a guy like that got there...but now it's people who don't ever criticize or critique their own side....ever.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

They are Plutocrats. They believe America would be better off under an Oligarchy in which the wealthy made and enforced the rules. The abhor regulations and fear democracy.

The flaw in Plutocracy is this, by opposing Unions and collective bargaining, minimum wage, affordable health care and quality education for their kids, plutocrats are setting the table for a rise of the extreme left .

It's really not hard to understand, Camus said it well in The Rebel :

“The spirit of rebellion can only exist in a society where a theoretical equality conceals great factual inequalities. The problem of rebellion, therefore, has no meaning except within our own Western society.”

 

[Wry Catcher]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

That he knows that he will have to wash a lot of dishes in his lifetime and will never be a millionaire. Socialists are driven by envy.

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Don't you ever tire of being wrong?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

They are Plutocrats. They believe America would be better off under an Oligarchy in which the wealthy made and enforced the rules. The abhor regulations and fear democracy.

The flaw in Plutocracy is this, by opposing Unions and collective bargaining, minimum wage, affordable health care and quality education for their kids, plutocrats are setting the table for a rise of the extreme left .

It's really not hard to understand, Camus said it well in The Rebel :

“The spirit of rebellion can only exist in a society where a theoretical equality conceals great factual inequalities. The problem of rebellion, therefore, has no meaning except within our own Western society.”

I love these academic terms like plutocracy that you learn and think you're smart and educated on an issue or politics in general.....

I love this answer. so because they want less government, less powerful government, less employees and more accountability instead of having 300 people to say I didn't know what they were doing, it's not my fault bullshit...you think they want an oligarchy

BUT you want a larger, more powerful government to control anything in the environment or health care (which is pretty much everything) and you don't think you're leaders are wanting an oligarchy? I mean you love Holder and Lerner as they act like they don't know anything and blame it on subordinates....and lets say they are right.....aren't you concerned that the leaders don't know what's going on?


Do you even think about what you are saying?

 

[flacaltenn]

Addicted to Koch? New documentary traces influence of Koch brothers' money in GOP

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

They are Plutocrats. They believe America would be better off under an Oligarchy in which the wealthy made and enforced the rules. The abhor regulations and fear democracy.

The flaw in Plutocracy is this, by opposing Unions and collective bargaining, minimum wage, affordable health care and quality education for their kids, plutocrats are setting the table for a rise of the extreme left .

It's really not hard to understand, Camus said it well in The Rebel :

“The spirit of rebellion can only exist in a society where a theoretical equality conceals great factual inequalities. The problem of rebellion, therefore, has no meaning except within our own Western society.”

That's quite a conspiracy theory you've got there. Not everyone wants Congress in their Bedroom or in their Kitchen or in their car or possessions and finances and and and .. you get the point.. The DEMONSTRATED ABILITY of the Feds to do ANY ONE THING with excellence is a rare commodity. So doubting that they should play an INCREASING ROLE in folks lives and businesses is now a Oligarchy or Plutocracy?

Maybe when over 50% of American Fed tax filers either contribute NOTHING or receive Negative Income Tax --- the fear should be in the other direction..

You just don't share that political vision and you need a couple poster enemies to represent everything you don't like..

 

[Contumacious]

Wry, what is your problem with the Koch brothers? Can you state it for us? IN YOUR OWN WORDS, plz.

That he knows that he will have to wash a lot of dishes in his lifetime and will never be a millionaire. Socialists are driven by envy.

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Don't you ever tire of being wrong?

I fully understands that it pisses you off when I hit the nail right on its head. Mend your ways. Say NO to socialism, parasitism and bullshit.

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[buckeye45_73]

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That he knows that he will have to wash a lot of dishes in his lifetime and will never be a millionaire. Socialists are driven by envy.

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Don't you ever tire of being wrong?

I fully understands that it pisses you off when I hit the nail right on its head. Mend your ways. Say NO to socialism, parasitism and bullshit.

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uh oh, he'll come up with some other academic made up word.....I'd love to see the etymology of some of these words...