McConnell Wants the Filibuster Nuked

[TNHarley]

well you keep posting about the const and a loss of freedom and giving power to the fed govt, so I think you need another thread.

He brought up the constitution, you stupid fuck.
Jesus Christ man.

 

[bendog]

Did I say that? The meme paraphrases what Yellen is telling us

You posted a meme but one that failed to mention the gop's hypocrisy but only the dems

 

[bendog]

He brought up the constitution, you stupid fuck.
Jesus Christ man.

you cumdrolling idiot, .22 brought it up, and you went on with it.

The const has nothing to do with this issue. The Founders assumed reasonable people would compromise and act rationally. Neither party is doing so - beyond maybe the D centrists - but THAT is not a power nor an indivd right.

CURRENTLY, the gop is crying over spending when they are at least as responsible as dems .... and given what the gop has turned Reagan into, I'd say more.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You posted a meme but one that failed to mention the gop's hypocrisy but only the dems

Where did I say dem??????

 

[bendog]

Where did I say dem??????

oh, now there I call bs. You said "yellen"

 

[TNHarley]

you cumdrolling idiot, .22 brought it up, and you went on with it.

The const has nothing to do with this issue. The Founders assumed reasonable people would compromise and act rationally. Neither party is doing so - beyond maybe the D centrists - but THAT is not a power nor an indivd right.

CURRENTLY, the gop is crying over spending when they are at least as responsible as dems .... and given what the gop has turned Reagan into, I'd say more.

IDK who/what .22 is and frankly i dont give a shit. I was responding to what RW said.
But good on you for continuing the off topic posts. Dumbass

 

[Papageorgio]

Biden Says ‘Real Possibility’ Senate Democrats Change Filibuster Rules To Raise Debt Ceiling

The off-the-cuff remarks are a notable shift in the president's thinking as Democrats are frustrated by GOP efforts to prevent simple majority votes.

www.huffpost.com

McConnell has admitted that it is hugely important to raise the Debt ceiling. He admits that it would be a disaster for the economy to not do so and yet he is using the filibuster to block the bill that would raise it.

He claims that Dems could use reconciliation (which under Senate rules can not be filibustered). The problem is that reconciliation is a huge bill and takes far more time than we have . McConnell knows this. He's an expert on Senate rules and procedures.

So what is he doing? He's gambling. He's pushing our economy to the edge of the financial cliff. He is betting that Republicans will take back Congress either in 2022 or 2024.

Dems are talking about "nuking" ONLY debt ceiling bills regarding the filibuster and leaving the rest in place. That would mean that Republicans can still block large parts of the Biden agenda.

McConnell will use that as an excuse to TOTALLY nuke everything and blame it on the Dems. That's what the cynical bastard did with Judicial Appointments. He blocked almost all of Obama's lower court judicial appointments and even Cabinet appointments. As a result Dems removed the filibuster for those appointments but left the filibuster in place for Supreme Court appointments.

McConnell used that as an excuse to nuke all judicial appointments. He'll do the same here

Dems will probably HAVE to nuke the filibuster for the debt ceiling but they'd be stupid to stop there. It will be gone anyway really soon and if THEY don't nuke it...they will have lost the opportunity to push through the Biden agenda.

Of course the stumbling point are the conservadems Sinema and Mancin who don't seem to know what party they represent.

Reminds us of Harry Reid. Of course in the Senate there are Democrats that are for responsible spending blocking this budget.

Nuke the filibuster but remember that when the Republicans take control of the House and or Senate, that will leave Democrats at the will of Republicans and there won't be a damn thing the Democrats could do to stop it.

 

[bendog]

Reminds us of Harry Reid. Of course in the Senate there are Democrats that are for responsible spending blocking this budget.

Nuke the filibuster but remember that when the Republicans take control of the House and or Senate, that will leave Democrats at the will of Republicans and there won't be a damn thing the Democrats could do to stop it.

Well the OP surmises that the dems only want to nuke it for spending bills - and that actually makes sense because reconciliation bills can't be fillibustered. And to be fair, the dems have not fillibustered or hindered the gop raising debt limits for their tax cuts and spending when they have the maj. So the gop is truly being hypocritical here, and that's why the dems are pissed. I don't care for much of their bill, but they won, and I can't blame them for being pissed.

And, when the gop has held the presidency, and the dems the House or Senate, (both W and his Iraq war and Trump and the tax cuts/spending) the dems have pretty much gone along with raising the debt limit when it has to be raised to cover past legislation.

And the OP surmises that McConnell wants to use this an an excuse to completely end the fillibuster. Even gopers don't really trust McConnell, lol, but I don't think the votes are there to do that ... yet.

 

[The Original Tree]

Same way McConnells antics forced Dems to abandon the filibuster on low level judicial appointments

McConnell is irresponsible with the filibuster
Needs to be taken away from him

Very Bad Idea since we are under Martial Law.

If KKK 666 Rightwinger is for it, everyone who loves Freedom and Democracy should be against it.

 

[DBA]

Yea, implementing policies that benefits more than the privileged few tends to be popular...

Remember when Trump campaign on promising universal health care to everyone at a lower cost and dic suckers like you didn't say a word??

Yeah, at the expense of working folks.

No, I don’t recall Trump saying he wanted UHC. If so, I disagree with him. Lower cost healthcare, yes, but not UHC.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Of course the stumbling point are the conservadems Sinema and Mancin who don't seem to know what party they represent.

I thought their job was to represent their respective states, but thanks for providing us with insight into your mind and millions of others, including those in Congress. That revelation is exactly why our government is broken.

 

[DBA]

LOL

Not as hard as America who did the job the Republican-led Senate wouldn't do.

Trump didn’t lose because of anything due to the impeachment(s). He lost(supposedly) because many fell for the false narrative that he was responsible for the economic crash caused by COVID. People are pretty naive and stupid overall.

 

[FA_Q2]

As noted in the OP

McConnell is a cynical partisan who cares only about power...NOT the nation

LOL. And you stated:

Of course the stumbling point are the conservadems Sinema and Mancin who don't seem to know what party they represent.

It is so telling that you made this statement in the manner that you did. Particularly since Sinema and Mancin do not represent a party, they represent a group of voters. Party over nation indeed. HOW DARE THEY not comply with the party demands. There shall be no debate.

 

[jc456]

The const has nothing to do with this issue. The Founders assumed reasonable people would compromise and act rationally. Neither party is doing so - beyond maybe the D centrists - but THAT is not a power nor an indivd right.

well with that statement, demofks don't compromise, so they argue outside the constitution. You just validated the posts.

 

[jc456]

LOL. And you stated:


It is so telling that you made this statement in the manner that you did. Particularly since Sinema and Mancin do not represent a party, they represent a group of voters. Party over nation indeed. HOW DARE THEY not comply with the party demands. There shall be no debate.

yep, outside the scope of the constitution. compromise is how government is maintained.

 

[FA_Q2]

Reminds us of Harry Reid. Of course in the Senate there are Democrats that are for responsible spending blocking this budget.

Nuke the filibuster but remember that when the Republicans take control of the House and or Senate, that will leave Democrats at the will of Republicans and there won't be a damn thing the Democrats could do to stop it.

What is funny is the gaslighting going on there. Now, nuking the filibuster for judicial appointment was all an evil plot by McConnel. They are absolutely unable to face the simple fact that it was Reid that took it down and proved that fucking with the senate rules to ignore the minority is a fucking horrible idea.

And here they are, pushing ahead and ignoring reality.

 

[Rogue AI]

Do our creditors send out random notices of payment due? If not, we've known for a long time when and how much we owe. If Democrats didn't plan for that, it's on them. This is no surprise, pretending this is a crisis is simply allowing liberals to slide on responsibilities they knew we had. How pathetic.

 

[whitehall]

The big news is that Biden thinks democrats will change the rules to get stuff passed in the senate. I didn't see the part about McConnell wanting the filibuster "nuked" whatever that is supposed to mean.

 

[Lesh]

Reminds us of Harry Reid. Of course in the Senate there are Democrats that are for responsible spending blocking this budget.

Nuke the filibuster but remember that when the Republicans take control of the House and or Senate, that will leave Democrats at the will of Republicans and there won't be a damn thing the Democrats could do to stop it.

Republicans will nuke the filibuster at the first opportunity.

Do it now

Get the Biden Agenda through and signed and let the voters decide from there.

Short of that is disaster.

The Biden agenda stalls and they are guaranteed to lose elections

 

[rightwinger]

Trump didn’t lose because of anything due to the impeachment(s). He lost(supposedly) because many fell for the false narrative that he was responsible for the economic crash caused by COVID. People are pretty naive and stupid overall.

Trumps inept leadership during COVID cost him the election.

America flocked to support Bush after 9-11 because of strong leadership
Trumps attempts to minimize the COVID threat and pass the blame did not do him well in the election