Men in women's bathrooms

[Ame®icano]

Because I don't believe that all people live the same reality. I don't understand what it's like to be gay but I believe those people love members of the same sex. I don't understand what gender dysphoria is but I believe they feel trapped in the wrong body

Key word here . . . "FEEL." Not reality.

I love members of the same sex but I don't feel at all compelled to have sex with them. Being gay isn't about love, therefore. And ChrisL is right, the keyword as to so-called "transgenders" is that they feel they are trapped in the wrong body. They can't be in the wrong body because their body simply is. Their mind is what's having the issue, not their body. And the shrink's couch is where they belong until the problem is resolved...however long that may take...however hard that work might be...

I feel trapped in the wrong body, too. I'm convinced I was supposed to be in Scarlett Johanson's body, but the bitch refuses to get out of it.

Few weeks back I woke up feeling black, I almost applied for welfare. Just few days ago, I thought I was a tripod. Literally.

 

[Slade3200]

If a bill passed in government then there was debate and reasoning behind the decision... Simply saying they were all idiots with no reasoning just shows that you have no understanding of the situation

First of all, when you claim I say something, I expect you to quote where I say such thing.

Now, please show where I say you're all idiots.

Second, why do you think that government lunatics always knows better then us, regular people?

Chris L called them idiots then you responded saying they had no reasoning.

I don't always thing the government knows better. I just take it one issue at a time. I've said all long I hate that government is even involved in bathroom regulation

ChrisL can call them any way she wants. I explained why I think they have no reasoning.

There is absolutely no reason for a men to use women restroom regardless of the way he feels.

What makes you think you understand the situation any better than any of us?

Because none of you can objectively state the argument of the other side without inserted your spin. You say there are no reasons yet a majority of politicians in Mass Ds and Rs voted for the gender identity bill. You can't explain why... This is why I understand it better than you. I don't support the bill for reasons I've stated, but at least I understand both sides of the debate

 

[Slade3200]

Because I don't believe that all people live the same reality. I don't understand what it's like to be gay but I believe those people love members of the same sex. I don't understand what gender dysphoria is but I believe they feel trapped in the wrong body

Key word here . . . "FEEL." Not reality.

I love members of the same sex but I don't feel at all compelled to have sex with them. Being gay isn't about love, therefore. And ChrisL is right, the keyword as to so-called "transgenders" is that they feel they are trapped in the wrong body. They can't be in the wrong body because their body simply is. Their mind is what's having the issue, not their body. And the shrink's couch is where they belong until the problem is resolved...however long that may take...however hard that work might be...

I feel trapped in the wrong body, too. I'm convinced I was supposed to be in Scarlett Johanson's body, but the bitch refuses to get out of it.

Few weeks back I woke up feeling black, I almost applied for welfare. Just few days ago, I thought I was a tripod. Literally.

Why? Did you finally get a script for viagra?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

…but at least I understand both sides of the debate

I guess, to understand madness, one must be mad.

 

[Slade3200]

…but at least I understand both sides of the debate

I guess, to understand madness, one must be mad.

Amen! Mad as a hatter

 

[Ame®icano]

Because none of you can objectively state the argument of the other side without inserted your spin. You say there are no reasons yet a majority of politicians in Mass Ds and Rs voted for the gender identity bill. You can't explain why... This is why I understand it better than you. I don't support the bill for reasons I've stated, but at least I understand both sides of the debate

What makes you think I can't explain why? Have you asked?

You just keep making things up about things I never said or never been asked. You keep doing that, you can fuck off, politely.

Mass House has 122 Ds and 34 Rs. How many Rs voted for that law?

And by the way, what is that you think you understand better than me?

 

[Silhouette]

…but at least I understand both sides of the debate

I guess, to understand madness, one must be mad.

To support insanity, one must be insane. To that I say "LGBT". So glad insane-marriage was forced on the 50 states last Summer...

 

[Slade3200]

…but at least I understand both sides of the debate

I guess, to understand madness, one must be mad.

To support insanity, one must be insane. To that I say "LGBT". So glad insane-marriage was forced on the 50 states last Summer...

I guess you're living in a country full of a bunch of mad, insane freakos!

 

[Slyhunter]

SICK: H.S. Senior DOMINATES In Girl's Track And Field Events, There's Just One BIG Problem... [VID]
The Transgender policies are taking it’s toll in competitive sports now. Men that think they are girls are being allowed to compete against the real girls and the results are making many girls angry as hell!

Guys competing as Girls will make Girl teams obsolete.


High School Boy Wins All-State Honors In Girls Track And Field
Transgender track athlete makes history as controversy swirls around her

 

[Silhouette]

He was a senior and was running/competing against girls as young as the 9th grade. Some victory. He must be so proud of himself beating a bunch of girls by pretending to be a girl. Women's sports is next. Get ready gals, you're about to be out-muscled...

 

[Bob Blaylock]

SICK: H.S. Senior DOMINATES In Girl's Track And Field Events, There's Just One BIG Problem... [VID]
The Transgender policies are taking it’s toll in competitive sports now. Men that think they are girls are being allowed to compete against the real girls and the results are making many girls angry as hell!

Guys competing as Girls will make Girl teams obsolete.


High School Boy Wins All-State Honors In Girls Track And Field
Transgender track athlete makes history as controversy swirls around her

It gets worse.

Look up “Fallon Fox”.

 

[Silhouette]

Transgender MMA Fighter Destroys Female Opponent

Transgender MMA Fighter Destroys Female Opponent

 

[Slade3200]

SICK: H.S. Senior DOMINATES In Girl's Track And Field Events, There's Just One BIG Problem... [VID]
The Transgender policies are taking it’s toll in competitive sports now. Men that think they are girls are being allowed to compete against the real girls and the results are making many girls angry as hell!

Guys competing as Girls will make Girl teams obsolete.


High School Boy Wins All-State Honors In Girls Track And Field
Transgender track athlete makes history as controversy swirls around her

It's tough for me to wrap my head around the competitive sports arena. Just seems like there is a pretty big competitive advantage. Of course all sexes aren't created equal and physical advantages exist within each gender, but I was surprised to learn that trans are allowed to compete In the olympics. Gonna have to look a little closer at this...
Exclusive: Read the Olympics' new transgender guidelines that will not mandate surgery

 

[Silhouette]

It's tough for me to wrap my head around the competitive sports arena. Just seems like there is a pretty big competitive advantage. Of course all sexes aren't created equal and physical advantages exist within each gender, but I was surprised to learn that trans are allowed to compete In the olympics. Gonna have to look a little closer at this...
Exclusive: Read the Olympics' new transgender guidelines that will not mandate surgery

So...you seem to be having a problem with men competing against women in the Olympics...but not with them using communal showers with women behind doors marked "women".... ???

You DO realize that the law isn't going to be narrowed down to just bathrooms do you? Showers, dorms, locker rooms, women's sports teams....they will all receive the same legal protections for men using them the moment they can use bathrooms marked "women" outside.

It's taken you this long to say "oh, wait a minute..."?

 

[Slade3200]

It's tough for me to wrap my head around the competitive sports arena. Just seems like there is a pretty big competitive advantage. Of course all sexes aren't created equal and physical advantages exist within each gender, but I was surprised to learn that trans are allowed to compete In the olympics. Gonna have to look a little closer at this...
Exclusive: Read the Olympics' new transgender guidelines that will not mandate surgery

So...you seem to be having a problem with men competing against women in the Olympics...but not with them using communal showers with women behind doors marked "women".... ???

You DO realize that the law isn't going to be narrowed down to just bathrooms do you? Showers, dorms, locker rooms, women's sports teams....they will all receive the same legal protections for men using them the moment they can use bathrooms marked "women" outside.

It's taken you this long to say "oh, wait a minute..."?

No I've been saying that all along. You and the other absolutists paint me into a corner, but I'm pretty middle ground with this topic and have laid out ideas that, in my view, are a pretty common sense compromise of both sides of the argument

 

[Slade3200]

It's tough for me to wrap my head around the competitive sports arena. Just seems like there is a pretty big competitive advantage. Of course all sexes aren't created equal and physical advantages exist within each gender, but I was surprised to learn that trans are allowed to compete In the olympics. Gonna have to look a little closer at this...
Exclusive: Read the Olympics' new transgender guidelines that will not mandate surgery

So...you seem to be having a problem with men competing against women in the Olympics...but not with them using communal showers with women behind doors marked "women".... ???

You DO realize that the law isn't going to be narrowed down to just bathrooms do you? Showers, dorms, locker rooms, women's sports teams....they will all receive the same legal protections for men using them the moment they can use bathrooms marked "women" outside.

It's taken you this long to say "oh, wait a minute..."?

You don't recognize the sociological and psychological elements of this situation, you simply dismiss them as a mental disease and focus solely in biology and anatomy. This is very short sighted in my opinion hence my pushback. My arguments have been focused on understanding the sociological elements better. I have no problems with trans athletes competing in recreational sports, when it comes to professional and competitive sports then biology becomes more of an issue, hence my surprise at the school and Olympic acceptance policy for trans athletes. I need to learn more about the qualifying criteria they use and medical justifications

 

[Silhouette]

No I've been saying that all along. You and the other absolutists paint me into a corner, but I'm pretty middle ground with this topic and have laid out ideas that, in my view, are a pretty common sense compromise of both sides of the argument

But...and stay with me here....you cannot compromise "rights"! Either trannies have the right to be seen as women in ALL venues or they have those rights in none of them. You understand how the US Supreme Court interprets rights, don't you? If we are using common sense as you prescribe, we'd have never forced the 50 states to make children call two men or two women "mom and dad" in marriage. And common sense also dictates no one with a penis, testicles and adam's apple belongs in a shower with women behind doors marked "women"..

I know you're smart enough to know this. So the next place my mind goes is that since you're smart enough to know this, it is your intention all along to get a shoehorn in the door, pretending not to know that's what you're doing, and then wedge all the rest through with an "oh, golly, I guess this means they can also share showers, dorms, locker rooms and women's sport teams too?....who'd a thunk?"...

So are you ignorant or being deceitful?

 

[Slade3200]

No I've been saying that all along. You and the other absolutists paint me into a corner, but I'm pretty middle ground with this topic and have laid out ideas that, in my view, are a pretty common sense compromise of both sides of the argument

But...and stay with me here....you cannot compromise "rights"! Either trannies have the right to be seen as women in ALL venues or they have those rights in none of them. You understand how the US Supreme Court interprets rights, don't you? If we are using common sense as you prescribe, we'd have never forced the 50 states to make children call two men or two women "mom and dad" in marriage. And common sense also dictates no one with a penis, testicles and adam's apple belongs in a shower with women behind doors marked "women"..

I know you're smart enough to know this. So the next place my mind goes is that since you're smart enough to know this, it is your intention all along to get a shoehorn in the door, pretending not to know that's what you're doing, and then wedge all the rest through with an "oh, golly, I guess this means they can also share showers, dorms, locker rooms and women's sport teams too?....who'd a thunk?"...

So are you ignorant or being deceitful?

Aw shucks, you called me smart

Haha, so ignorant and deceitful are my only two options? Let me think about that and get back to you.

While I do that I'll make the point that it's not my goal to violate anybodies privacy or make anybody feel uncomfortable. The reality is, that will be the case regardless of what is decided. It made plenty of white people very uncomfortable to dine with blacks, use the same bathrooms or to see them vote... However it was the right thing to do. The question here is "what defines a transgender" what are the qualifications for a transition from one sex to another? What is gender identity and what role does it play?

I understand how laws work and the laws will be constructed based on the answers to the questions above.

As for the sports analogy, you make an unfair comparison as a steroid filled meathead can use the bathroom and locker facilities without penalty however they can't compete in professional or competitive competition. Rules are different between the two, which makes for an interesting subdiscussion on the trans athlete issue.

 

[Silhouette]

While I do that I'll make the point that it's not my goal to violate anybodies privacy or make anybody feel uncomfortable. The reality is, that will be the case regardless of what is decided. It made plenty of white people very uncomfortable to dine with blacks, use the same bathrooms or to see them vote... However it was the right thing to do. The question here is "what defines a transgender" what are the qualifications for a transition from one sex to another? What is gender identity and what role does it play?......I understand how laws work and the laws will be constructed based on the answers to the questions above.

Again, and I will never tire of asking this question; because it's going to be asked of the USSC very soon, WHAT does race have to do with just some deviant sex behaviors/delusions??? Answer: NOTHING. Race is fixed, static, immutable. Just some deviant sex behaviors/delusions are behaviors, waffling, in flux...where even LGBTs admit there's no real nailing them down. Again, Anne Heche just woke up one day and said "I've had enough of doing the lesbian thing." And off she went to marry the real thing, instead of a strapon attached to a poor women playing at looking like a man to attract other "lesbians" (to a man?)

If your intent is to not make anyone feel uncomfortable, then why would you want strange men allowed in women's restrooms, showers, dorms etc. where women will most factually and assuredly, GUARANTEED feel uncomfortable? And not just the 17 million rape survivors...ALL of them. You're all over the place. When challenging or arguing law, you have to be precise. Your points have to be ironclad, or the opposition's attorneys will tear you apart like a pack of hyenas shredding a tender baby antelope.

 

[Slade3200]

While I do that I'll make the point that it's not my goal to violate anybodies privacy or make anybody feel uncomfortable. The reality is, that will be the case regardless of what is decided. It made plenty of white people very uncomfortable to dine with blacks, use the same bathrooms or to see them vote... However it was the right thing to do. The question here is "what defines a transgender" what are the qualifications for a transition from one sex to another? What is gender identity and what role does it play?......I understand how laws work and the laws will be constructed based on the answers to the questions above.

Again, and I will never tire of asking this question; because it's going to be asked of the USSC very soon, WHAT does race have to do with just some deviant sex behaviors/delusions??? Answer: NOTHING. Race is fixed, static, immutable. Just some deviant sex behaviors/delusions are behaviors, waffling, in flux...where even LGBTs admit there's no real nailing them down. Again, Anne Heche just woke up one day and said "I've had enough of doing the lesbian thing." And off she went to marry the real thing, instead of a strapon attached to a poor women playing at looking like a man to attract other "lesbians" (to a man?)

If your intent is to not make anyone feel uncomfortable, then why would you want strange men allowed in women's restrooms, showers, dorms etc. where women will most factually and assuredly, GUARANTEED feel uncomfortable? And not just the 17 million rape survivors...ALL of them. You're all over the place. When challenging or arguing law, you have to be precise. Your points have to be ironclad, or the opposition's attorneys will tear you apart like a pack of hyenas shredding a tender baby antelope.

You ask what race has to do with the Trans argument... The answer is very simple, it's a matter of basic human rights, liberty and freedom. Don't you think the anti-black people had reasons very similar to yours to justify their discrimination? Of course they did... Blacks were dangerous, savages, a lesser class and therefore should not be integrated with the superior/civilized whites. The same arguments were made about gays and now transgenders. YOU label them as deviant, delusional, perverts, that is your judgement coming through and you use that to justify your prejudicial views. There are many many people in this world and country that recognize transgenders as something different than their simple biology. Psychology and sociology play a part and they there is a recognition of gender identity and a gender transition. You may deny this or only think its only a bunch of wackos that believe this, but you are sorely mistaken and are going to be very disappointed when you see how this thing plays out. You can seek understanding and learn how to tolerate or you can live with the shock, disappointment and frustrations of whats to come. That's up to you.