myth of Native Americans

[The Sage of Main Street]

Anyone feeling guilty about sins committed by those in the past can donate directly to any tribal casino.
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Nature Doesn't Recognize Seniority Rights

What sins? Obeying the laws of evolution against the unfit and dangerous enemies of civilization is a virtue to be proud of.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

LOL- wow you managed to pack a whole lot of right wing craziness in one sentence.

What 'open borders policy'? We haven't had open borders for decades.

This thread was started about the supposed myth of the peaceful native Americans.

And of course whenever anyone points out that yes- native Americans were screwed over- someone like you wants to claim that any mention of what happened to the native Americans is of course hating of America and of course- anti-white.

We poor whites....we have it so bad......

The whole 'natives were screwed over by settlers' is not an argument conservatives ever lead in with, it's the one used against us whenever we talk about heritage or tradition or nations. It goes hand in hand with slavery and colonialism, proof that white=bad, brown=good.

No Conservatives don't even want to acknowledge that there were people here before the Europeans came.

The whole 'Indians bad- whites good' is what Conservatives lead with- you know with your talk of 'heritage' and tradition as code words for European heritage and European traditions.

Code..? I'll come right out and say it. America was founded on European heritage and tradition.

What Was Founded Now Flounders

We have lost our way.

 

[Esmeralda]

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

 

[harmonica]

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':
'', cultural traditions for dealing with captives predated the arrival of Europeans, and involved either adoption or execution by torture.''
'' fingernails were ripped out. Their fingers were broken, then twisted and yanked by children.'
Captives in American Indian Wars - Wikipedia
the whole tribe was involved...NA children were taught to torture
you obviously don't know much about NA culture history....you haven't even researched it, have you?

 

[Syriusly]

LOL- wow you managed to pack a whole lot of right wing craziness in one sentence.

What 'open borders policy'? We haven't had open borders for decades.

This thread was started about the supposed myth of the peaceful native Americans.

And of course whenever anyone points out that yes- native Americans were screwed over- someone like you wants to claim that any mention of what happened to the native Americans is of course hating of America and of course- anti-white.

We poor whites....we have it so bad......

The whole 'natives were screwed over by settlers' is not an argument conservatives ever lead in with, it's the one used against us whenever we talk about heritage or tradition or nations. It goes hand in hand with slavery and colonialism, proof that white=bad, brown=good.

No Conservatives don't even want to acknowledge that there were people here before the Europeans came.

The whole 'Indians bad- whites good' is what Conservatives lead with- you know with your talk of 'heritage' and tradition as code words for European heritage and European traditions.

Code..? I'll come right out and say it. America was founded on European heritage and tradition.

What Was Founded Now Flounders

We have lost our way.

Clearly you have.

Not the rest of us.

 

[Syriusly]

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':

Actually torture was quite a part of European culture.

The funny part is that this thread is about supposed myths of native Americans- and yet here you are promoting myths about our European culture.

Torture was routine in Europe.
Elizabethan Era Torture,death,punishment,crime,methods,prisoner,Crossbar
The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church
No doubt many native American tribes(but not all) had elaborate torture rituals- but they didn't invent entire machines designed just for torture like our European ancestors did.

But more on point- Europeans in America commonly tortured each other- and of course native Americans.

I just read an account in "Don't Know Much About History"- of our glorious ancestors ordering a native American castrated- and then flayed alive- and being forced to eat his own skin.

 

[Syriusly]

LOL- wow you managed to pack a whole lot of right wing craziness in one sentence.

What 'open borders policy'? We haven't had open borders for decades.

This thread was started about the supposed myth of the peaceful native Americans.

And of course whenever anyone points out that yes- native Americans were screwed over- someone like you wants to claim that any mention of what happened to the native Americans is of course hating of America and of course- anti-white.

We poor whites....we have it so bad......

The whole 'natives were screwed over by settlers' is not an argument conservatives ever lead in with, it's the one used against us whenever we talk about heritage or tradition or nations. It goes hand in hand with slavery and colonialism, proof that white=bad, brown=good.

No Conservatives don't even want to acknowledge that there were people here before the Europeans came.

The whole 'Indians bad- whites good' is what Conservatives lead with- you know with your talk of 'heritage' and tradition as code words for European heritage and European traditions.

Code..? I'll come right out and say it. America was founded on European heritage and tradition.

Without native Americans- European likely would never have survived to found the United States.

Both of the first two English colonies to survive in America- Jamestown and Plymouth- survived only with the assistance of Native Americans- giving them food, showing them how to plant native crops- along with the less willing assistance of raiding Native American graineries during the hungry years.

 

[Syriusly]

LOL- wow you managed to pack a whole lot of right wing craziness in one sentence.

What 'open borders policy'? We haven't had open borders for decades.

This thread was started about the supposed myth of the peaceful native Americans.

And of course whenever anyone points out that yes- native Americans were screwed over- someone like you wants to claim that any mention of what happened to the native Americans is of course hating of America and of course- anti-white.

We poor whites....we have it so bad......

The whole 'natives were screwed over by settlers' is not an argument conservatives ever lead in with, it's the one used against us whenever we talk about heritage or tradition or nations. It goes hand in hand with slavery and colonialism, proof that white=bad, brown=good.

No Conservatives don't even want to acknowledge that there were people here before the Europeans came.

The whole 'Indians bad- whites good' is what Conservatives lead with- you know with your talk of 'heritage' and tradition as code words for European heritage and European traditions.

Code..? I'll come right out and say it. America was founded on European heritage and tradition.

LOL

Which 'European heritage and tradition'?

Certainly Europeans came here- and by force and by trickery- and of course also by deceit took the land from the peoples who lived here. French, English, Dutch, Spanish- and dozens of other places.

Of course each of these 'people' thought themselves superior to the others- and fought each other here in America too- each with their Indian allies that eventually were screwed over.

Again- this is not to say that America is a bad country- just recognizing that among our history is a history of screwing over those who were here before our ancestors.

Typical anti-american anti-white marxist drivel.

Yeah- so marxist to actually read our actual histories- rather than the myths propagated by your white supremacist racists.

 

[Syriusly]

...how come it's always the whites tricked/stole/etc ??? !!!!!!!!!
...they didn't have to trick anyone....they had the better technology--the more advanced technology-culture

If our ancestors didn't have to trick anyone- why did they continually do so?

That 'better technology'? The first English colonies in America survived only with the help of native Americans- even with their help- more people died each year than were born- it was years before the English populations in Plymouth and Jamestown were self supporting- and didn't need new settlers each year to replace those who died from starvation and disease.

Our 'white' ancestors came to America, were allowed to originally settle here, and then eventually killed every tribe that befriended the original settlers- often through trickery.

 

[Syriusly]

.
...how come we don't hear the NAs were not intelligent enough to be advanced to defeat the whites?
...it's like some of the Africans, they didn't even have an alphabet....they weren't advanced....they were in the ''stone age''....they didn't even have the wheel.....
.....this makes the whites evil ????????!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that the English didn't 'invent' the wheel right? That no 'white person' invented the wheel- right? The wheel came to Europe from Asia(I include the Middle East with Asia). Nor did white people invent the alphabet.

Did all Europeans have an 'alphabet' in the 1590's? No- actually they didn't. There were still pockets of cultures in Europe with no written language- those with written languages had largely been conquered by other Europeans that they received writing from.

Likewise in Africa. The Copts in Ethiopia had written language long before the English did. And so what?

Why did sub-Saharan Africa not use the wheel until after interaction with Europeans? Because of their isolation- unlike the English- who were invaded over and over again- and who had communication and trade with the east- Africans were isolated by geography.

 

[Syriusly]

...how come it's always the whites tricked/stole/etc ??? !!!!!!!!!
...they didn't have to trick anyone....they had the better technology--the more advanced technology-culture
...how come we don't hear the NAs were not intelligent enough to be advanced to defeat the whites?
...it's like some of the Africans, they didn't even have an alphabet....they weren't advanced....they were in the ''stone age''....they didn't even have the wheel.....
.....this makes the whites evil ????????!!!!!!!!!!!

Africans hadn't even invented the wheel before the white man came along.

The English didn't 'invent' the wheel- until someone brought the idea of the wheel to the English.

 

[Syriusly]

...how come it's always the whites tricked/stole/etc ???[emoji23][emoji23] !!!!!!!!!

That's what whites do.

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whites only, no other race has ever done that hahahhahahah

Since this whole thread is about 'myths'- of course all 'races' have tricked, stolen and tortured.

Its a myth that whites never did these things.

 

[Hellbilly]

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':

Actually torture was quite a part of European culture.

The funny part is that this thread is about supposed myths of native Americans- and yet here you are promoting myths about our European culture.

Torture was routine in Europe.
Elizabethan Era Torture,death,punishment,crime,methods,prisoner,Crossbar
The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church
No doubt many native American tribes(but not all) had elaborate torture rituals- but they didn't invent entire machines designed just for torture like our European ancestors did.

But more on point- Europeans in America commonly tortured each other- and of course native Americans.

I just read an account in "Don't Know Much About History"- of our glorious ancestors ordering a native American castrated- and then flayed alive- and being forced to eat his own skin.

Not to mention Wounded Knee where soldiers killed babies and played toss with the dead body.
They killed women, cut off their breasts and played football with them.
And we Natives are savages. [emoji32]

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[Syriusly]

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':

Actually torture was quite a part of European culture.

The funny part is that this thread is about supposed myths of native Americans- and yet here you are promoting myths about our European culture.

Torture was routine in Europe.
Elizabethan Era Torture,death,punishment,crime,methods,prisoner,Crossbar
The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church
No doubt many native American tribes(but not all) had elaborate torture rituals- but they didn't invent entire machines designed just for torture like our European ancestors did.

But more on point- Europeans in America commonly tortured each other- and of course native Americans.

I just read an account in "Don't Know Much About History"- of our glorious ancestors ordering a native American castrated- and then flayed alive- and being forced to eat his own skin.

Not to mention Wounded Knee where soldiers killed babies and played toss with the dead body.
They killed women, cut off their breasts and played football with it.
And we Natives are savages. [emoji32]

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It is pretty ironic that in a thread that sets up a strawman about the 'myth of the peaceful Native American'- the OP and his buddies sure are determined to promote a myth that all native Americans were bloodthirsty savages- so very different from my refined European ancestors.

The facts are pretty straightforward:

1. Humans are humans- and neither native Americans or Europeans have any claim to innocence when it comes to violence.
2. And Europeans stole the Americas from its original inhabitants.

That is just history- not revisionism. I didn't do it- but certainly I have New England ancestors that were participants. That doesn't make me responsible- nor does it make you responsible for any European American killed by native Americans 150 years ago.

 

[impuretrash]

The whole 'natives were screwed over by settlers' is not an argument conservatives ever lead in with, it's the one used against us whenever we talk about heritage or tradition or nations. It goes hand in hand with slavery and colonialism, proof that white=bad, brown=good.

No Conservatives don't even want to acknowledge that there were people here before the Europeans came.

The whole 'Indians bad- whites good' is what Conservatives lead with- you know with your talk of 'heritage' and tradition as code words for European heritage and European traditions.

Code..? I'll come right out and say it. America was founded on European heritage and tradition.

LOL

Which 'European heritage and tradition'?

Certainly Europeans came here- and by force and by trickery- and of course also by deceit took the land from the peoples who lived here. French, English, Dutch, Spanish- and dozens of other places.

Of course each of these 'people' thought themselves superior to the others- and fought each other here in America too- each with their Indian allies that eventually were screwed over.

Again- this is not to say that America is a bad country- just recognizing that among our history is a history of screwing over those who were here before our ancestors.

Typical anti-american anti-white marxist drivel.

Yeah- so marxist to actually read our actual histories- rather than the myths propagated by your white supremacist racists.

Oh yes, all historical records were falsified by white supreeeeemists. Give me a fuckin break. Fuck you and your nation of Islam alternate history mystical mumbo jumbo bullshit. Does it soothe your well-deserved feelings of inadequacy to wallow around in comforting lies?

 

[Syriusly]

No Conservatives don't even want to acknowledge that there were people here before the Europeans came.

The whole 'Indians bad- whites good' is what Conservatives lead with- you know with your talk of 'heritage' and tradition as code words for European heritage and European traditions.

Code..? I'll come right out and say it. America was founded on European heritage and tradition.

LOL

Which 'European heritage and tradition'?

Certainly Europeans came here- and by force and by trickery- and of course also by deceit took the land from the peoples who lived here. French, English, Dutch, Spanish- and dozens of other places.

Of course each of these 'people' thought themselves superior to the others- and fought each other here in America too- each with their Indian allies that eventually were screwed over.

Again- this is not to say that America is a bad country- just recognizing that among our history is a history of screwing over those who were here before our ancestors.

Typical anti-american anti-white marxist drivel.

Yeah- so marxist to actually read our actual histories- rather than the myths propagated by your white supremacist racists.

Oh yes, all historical records were falsified by white supreeeeemists. Give me a fuckin break. Fuck you and your nation of Islam alternate history mystical mumbo jumbo bullshit. Does it soothe your well-deserved feelings of inadequacy to wallow around in comforting lies?

You poor little racist snowflake! Trying to compensate for your own inadequacies by denying history and the facts.

No matter how many great things were done by some white guy- it doesn't make up for your lack of accomplishments

 

[TNHarley]

The cult of victim-hood and grievance is beyond tired. Let it go people.

 

[impuretrash]

You poor little racist snowflake! Trying to compensate for your own inadequacies by denying history and the facts.

No matter how many great things were done by some white guy- it doesn't make up for your lack of accomplishments

A man's measure of success is more than how much ostentatious bling bling he wears. Besides you know literally nothing about me.

 

[harmonica]

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':

Actually torture was quite a part of European culture.

The funny part is that this thread is about supposed myths of native Americans- and yet here you are promoting myths about our European culture.
wrong again--the whole ''tribe'' didn't participate ... the childrren weren't involved

Torture was routine in Europe.
Elizabethan Era Torture,death,punishment,crime,methods,prisoner,Crossbar
The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church
No doubt many native American tribes(but not all) had elaborate torture rituals- but they didn't invent entire machines designed just for torture like our European ancestors did.

But more on point- Europeans in America commonly tortured each other- and of course native Americans.

I just read an account in "Don't Know Much About History"- of our glorious ancestors ordering a native American castrated- and then flayed alive- and being forced to eat his own skin.

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':

Actually torture was quite a part of European culture.

The funny part is that this thread is about supposed myths of native Americans- and yet here you are promoting myths about our European culture.

Torture was routine in Europe.
Elizabethan Era Torture,death,punishment,crime,methods,prisoner,Crossbar
The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church
No doubt many native American tribes(but not all) had elaborate torture rituals- but they didn't invent entire machines designed just for torture like our European ancestors did.

But more on point- Europeans in America commonly tortured each other- and of course native Americans.

I just read an account in "Don't Know Much About History"- of our glorious ancestors ordering a native American castrated- and then flayed alive- and being forced to eat his own skin.

wrong again....the ''whole white tribe'' did not participate....children were not torturing, for the most part... ..totally different--it was part of the whole NAs tribe's culture.....
and they didn't invent machines for it because they were not intelligent enough
..again, it was a part of some tribes' culture......

 

[Unkotare]

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':

Actually torture was quite a part of European culture.

The funny part is that this thread is about supposed myths of native Americans- and yet here you are promoting myths about our European culture.
wrong again--the whole ''tribe'' didn't participate ... the childrren weren't involved

Torture was routine in Europe.
Elizabethan Era Torture,death,punishment,crime,methods,prisoner,Crossbar
The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church
No doubt many native American tribes(but not all) had elaborate torture rituals- but they didn't invent entire machines designed just for torture like our European ancestors did.

But more on point- Europeans in America commonly tortured each other- and of course native Americans.

I just read an account in "Don't Know Much About History"- of our glorious ancestors ordering a native American castrated- and then flayed alive- and being forced to eat his own skin.

...let's stop the myth of NAs being peaceful, corn growing people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc other tribes long before the evil whites came
..in fact, torture was part of some tribes' culture
..so we don't need to hear that all Americans are immigrants--because we are not

let's stop the myth of so called Christian, advanced people being peaceful brotherly love type people
..they murdered/raped/tortured/dislocated/decimated/etc billions of people for thousands of years
..in fact, torture was part of most of their cultures
...so called European Christian advanced peoples invaded and conquered North America, decimating the hundreds of tribes who had lived their for thousands of years; they justified their actions by believing the tribes were non Christian and less than human and they, the Europeans, had right to anywhere on Earth they wanted; they did it by being more ruthless and more powerful than the people they conquered

People who try to rewrite history to hide their own faults are pathetic.

wrong.--torture was NOT part of the white culture as it was the NAs':

Actually torture was quite a part of European culture.

The funny part is that this thread is about supposed myths of native Americans- and yet here you are promoting myths about our European culture.

Torture was routine in Europe.
Elizabethan Era Torture,death,punishment,crime,methods,prisoner,Crossbar
The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church
No doubt many native American tribes(but not all) had elaborate torture rituals- but they didn't invent entire machines designed just for torture like our European ancestors did.

But more on point- Europeans in America commonly tortured each other- and of course native Americans.

I just read an account in "Don't Know Much About History"- of our glorious ancestors ordering a native American castrated- and then flayed alive- and being forced to eat his own skin.

wrong again....the ''whole white tribe'' did not participate....children were not torturing, for the most part... ..totally different--it was part of the whole NAs tribe's culture.....
and they didn't invent machines for it because they were not intelligent enough
..again, it was a part of some tribes' culture......