Narrative Fail: 15 Days After Lockdown Ease, Georgia Sees Lowest Day Of COVID Hospitalizations

[charwin95]

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

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In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

I come from a family with a bunch of doctors. I'm the black sheep. I didn't become one or go into the medical field.

I know a ton of doctors and those who work in the medical field In my family and friends.

Not even ONE of them has ever said they aren't concerned with the virus and are more concerned with having a job.

No doctor would ever say such a thing. Ever.

They would say if they're seeing virus patients or not but never say they aren't concerned about it and more concerned about having a job.

Health care and doctors offices have not been closed. They are essential services. They have had to modify their offices for social distancing but that's about it.

Dentists aren't open but are working on an emergency cases basis.

Elective surgeries have been canceled.

The fact that the far right radical lying conservative added hoping they still have a job on the end of their lie, exposes the lie for what it is.

Heath care is essential services and aren't closed.

You mentioned previously that doctors you knew are not concerned of the CV. They are more concerned of having a job.........

Doctors I know will never say something like that. Health and well being of their patients are their concern. Job is worthless if you get sick. You can get a job later or go to welfare if needed but you cannot replace your life. That’s whats stake.

I’m in the medical instruments business. I can assure you that I know by far more doctors than you or anybody here. Hospitals are my customers.

You really need to go back and read who actually made that statement.

It wasn't me.

I was the person who said no doctor would say such a thing. I'm also the person who pointed out that hospitals and doctors offices aren't closed. They're essential so no doctor would be worrying if they had a job or not.

The person who actually stated that was lordbrowntrout.

I think you need to direct your reply to that person.

Not me.

Actually after all these I didn’t mean to quote you Dana. My big apologies. I was at the back coming a barbecue corns. And I just remember I think that was Dana. Again my apologies.

 

[charwin95]

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

I come from a family with a bunch of doctors. I'm the black sheep. I didn't become one or go into the medical field.

I know a ton of doctors and those who work in the medical field In my family and friends.

Not even ONE of them has ever said they aren't concerned with the virus and are more concerned with having a job.

No doctor would ever say such a thing. Ever.

They would say if they're seeing virus patients or not but never say they aren't concerned about it and more concerned about having a job.

Health care and doctors offices have not been closed. They are essential services. They have had to modify their offices for social distancing but that's about it.

Dentists aren't open but are working on an emergency cases basis.

Elective surgeries have been canceled.

The fact that the far right radical lying conservative added hoping they still have a job on the end of their lie, exposes the lie for what it is.

Heath care is essential services and aren't closed.

You mentioned previously that doctors you knew are not concerned of the CV. They are more concerned of having a job.........

Doctors I know will never say something like that. Health and well being of their patients are their concern. Job is worthless if you get sick. You can get a job later or go to welfare if needed but you cannot replace your life. That’s whats stake.

I’m in the medical instruments business. I can assure you that I know by far more doctors than you or anybody here. Hospitals are my customers.

I can assure you that I know dozens and dozens and they aren't real concerned about this virus. Whats at stake is that the governors, state, local officials who have unconstitutionally held states down need to be investigated.

You are lying. Doctors are more concerned of your health than a jobs. Jobs can be regain your health is NOT. If you disagree with the rules by all means no one is holding you. Just imagine if these government officials didn’t have these restrictions. We will never seethe end of these crisis but keeps growing. Don’t you think?

 

[charwin95]

More testing right now is dog chasing tail in order to postpone making any useful, step forward actions

BINGO!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!

Testing is a fallacy as it looks at ONE POINT IN TIME vs ANOTHER POINT IN TIME... The virus will spread despite any attempt to stop it. Get on with life and protect the most vulnerable...

Testing at this point in the game is anecdotal at best..

Then you should tell Trump to stop the testing ASAP.

 

[charwin95]

W

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

I come from a family with a bunch of doctors. I'm the black sheep. I didn't become one or go into the medical field.

I know a ton of doctors and those who work in the medical field In my family and friends.

Not even ONE of them has ever said they aren't concerned with the virus and are more concerned with having a job.

No doctor would ever say such a thing. Ever.

They would say if they're seeing virus patients or not but never say they aren't concerned about it and more concerned about having a job.

Health care and doctors offices have not been closed. They are essential services. They have had to modify their offices for social distancing but that's about it.

Dentists aren't open but are working on an emergency cases basis.

Elective surgeries have been canceled.

The fact that the far right radical lying conservative added hoping they still have a job on the end of their lie, exposes the lie for what it is.

Heath care is essential services and aren't closed.

You mentioned previously that doctors you knew are not concerned of the CV. They are more concerned of having a job.........

Doctors I know will never say something like that. Health and well being of their patients are their concern. Job is worthless if you get sick. You can get a job later or go to welfare if needed but you cannot replace your life. That’s whats stake.

I’m in the medical instruments business. I can assure you that I know by far more doctors than you or anybody here. Hospitals are my customers.

Yeah, doctors are pretty fucking stupid about stuff like that. I've had doctors tell me to retire. How does the moron suppose I'm going to pay his bill if I don't have a job.

Why is that my fault? Blame your messiah.

 

[IM2]

Fauci knows more about this than trump. I will continue to listen to him and follow his advice.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

All people with medical knowledge say it is only when a new virus first hits that it is really dangerous.
They all say we then develop herd immunity and it becomes much less significant.

ll that is true why have we not eliminated the flu death each year? CV-19 is very new to develop any kinds of immunity. Downplaying this virus has a very significant serious problem today and in the future.

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

I come from a family with a bunch of doctors. I'm the black sheep. I didn't become one or go into the medical field.

I know a ton of doctors and those who work in the medical field In my family and friends.

Not even ONE of them has ever said they aren't concerned with the virus and are more concerned with having a job.

No doctor would ever say such a thing. Ever.

They would say if they're seeing virus patients or not but never say they aren't concerned about it and more concerned about having a job.

Health care and doctors offices have not been closed. They are essential services. They have had to modify their offices for social distancing but that's about it.

Dentists aren't open but are working on an emergency cases basis.

Elective surgeries have been canceled.

The fact that the far right radical lying conservative added hoping they still have a job on the end of their lie, exposes the lie for what it is.

Heath care is essential services and aren't closed.

Crashing this economy over such idiocy as a weak virus is egregious and disturbing. The governors, state, local officials need to be held accountable for their utter disregard of the constitution.

Why are you mad? Why not blame your fake messiah who made the pandemic worse? I have nothing to do with it.
It’s true people need to got back to work but need practice precautions.

Im not mad. Trump isn't to blame for this virus. Some people need to be careful but the other 99 percent don't and the healthy should never be quarantined.

Trump mishandling of the pandemic is not acceptable especially when he downplayed this crisis. As late February 20 in his rally he called this a democrat new hoax. Didn’t do anything till mid March but very busy blaming and pointing fingers + playing golf.

How do you even know which one or not need to be quarantined? How do you even know which one is healthy? How do I know you will not infect me or me infecting others?

I understand these are severe that we have to go through but we don’t have that much choice. I think.

I’m very active person lots of activities. this is killing me. 2 weeks ago I have a fight with a cop parked by the beach. I lease a condo by the beach so I can get closer to my kids and their kids. A cop with his car parked right by the beach close to our compound. There’s no one there at the beach not a single soul. I asked him very nicely. I said son........ if I can just stand there and practice my (screams at certain high notes) voice. I’m not going to the water. I just need no more than 10 minutes to practice my (vocal cord) voice. He said NO. I looked at him. I told him THIS IS NOT GOING TO COST YOU. ARREST ME IF YOU WANT. And I just walked towards the beach and stand by the sand no more than 5 feet from the pavement. He was staring at me didn’t say anything. When I was done I passed by him and say Thank you.

I'm not ruled by fear. Thats the difference.

 

[charwin95]

These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

That's because Covid 19 is a viral pneumonia. And of course doctors can distinguish the various types of pneumonia and isolate the Covid 19 virus.
I don't know where you get your news, but you should seek something different.

I linked you the CDC death tolls

They clearly state they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

It's really not that complex. We would normally call these deaths "pneumonia" deaths becuase of the symptoms.

You get a cold, then it turn into pneumonia and your life is at risk

Source: was born with asthma and clearly have a much better understanding of respiratory problems than you.

It's not the corona virus (aka cold...somtimes what we would call flu if you have a fever) we would normally say is the killer....It's the pneumonia

This is what your link says. I don't see where they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems. If you think it does, please copy and paste the relevant piece for me. It looks to me as if they're distinguishing between the flu and Covid just fine.

The provisional data presented on this page include the weekly provisional count of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, deaths from all causes and percent of expected deaths (i.e., number of deaths received over number of deaths expected based on data from previous years), pneumonia deaths (excluding pneumonia deaths involving influenza), pneumonia deaths involving COVID-19, influenza deaths, and deaths involving pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19; (a) by week ending date and (b) by specific jurisdictions.

There are asterisks underneath the table....

3Pneumonia death counts exclude pneumonia deaths involving influenza.


4Influenza death counts include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 also listed as a cause of death.


5Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, pneumonia, or influenza, coded to ICD–10 codes U07.1 or J09-18.9.



We normally have a massive amount of "pneumonia" deaths a year. Which is caused by flu season

This year they're just labeling them differently because tehre is a new cold....

Cause of death - flu seems to be rarely written on coroner's reports. Or in this case covid is really a cold, but it gives you a fever so it's symptoms are more flu like. Last year all these deaths would have gone under "pneumonia". There is no way to connect covid 19 and these deaths without extensive blood testing no one is doing to confirm these deaths.

And even then you'd only be confident they had the virus....not that it was the direct cause of death.

So we're using flawed tests in a nation that loses 80k a year to respiratory problems anyway. Those other conditions didn't just magically disappear. Clearly some % of the death toll isn't covid-19 related. How much we don't know.

I'm no doctor or expert on any of this, but I have serious doubts about what you are saying. Let's leave it there. You believe what you want.

Well like I said I have asthma...And while I'm not a medical professional most of my kin are or in related industries.

*** We had tens of thousands of pneumonia deaths last year. The count is nothing this year.....

What more do you need to know?

Clearly covid-19 exists and is causing problems. But there is no doubt the way we're processing the data is going to lead to over estimating risk rather than underestimating.

*** From you...... We had tens of thousands of pneumonia deaths last year. The count is nothing this year.....
What more do you need to know?
———————————
FROM ME.... Are you sure about that? Where are you coming from?

COVID-19, pneumonia, and influenza deaths reported U.S. 2023 | Statista

From January 2020 to August 2023, there were over 1.1 million deaths in the U.S. due to COVID-19 as well as 1.1 million deaths due to pneumonia.

www.statista.com

COVID-19, pneumonia, and influenza deaths reported in the U.S., Feb. to Apr. 25, 2020
Published by John Elflein, May 4, 2020
Between the beginning of February and April 25, 2020, around 719,438 people have died from all causes in the United States. Of these deaths, it has been reported that 37,308 deaths.

Deaths from all causes	719,438
Deaths with pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19	90,165
Pneumonia deaths	64,382
COVID-19 deaths	37,308
Deaths with pneumonia and COVID-19	16,564

 

[charwin95]

These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

That's because Covid 19 is a viral pneumonia. And of course doctors can distinguish the various types of pneumonia and isolate the Covid 19 virus.
I don't know where you get your news, but you should seek something different.

I linked you the CDC death tolls

They clearly state they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

It's really not that complex. We would normally call these deaths "pneumonia" deaths becuase of the symptoms.

You get a cold, then it turn into pneumonia and your life is at risk

Source: was born with asthma and clearly have a much better understanding of respiratory problems than you.

It's not the corona virus (aka cold...somtimes what we would call flu if you have a fever) we would normally say is the killer....It's the pneumonia

This is what your link says. I don't see where they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems. If you think it does, please copy and paste the relevant piece for me. It looks to me as if they're distinguishing between the flu and Covid just fine.

The provisional data presented on this page include the weekly provisional count of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, deaths from all causes and percent of expected deaths (i.e., number of deaths received over number of deaths expected based on data from previous years), pneumonia deaths (excluding pneumonia deaths involving influenza), pneumonia deaths involving COVID-19, influenza deaths, and deaths involving pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19; (a) by week ending date and (b) by specific jurisdictions.

There are asterisks underneath the table....

3Pneumonia death counts exclude pneumonia deaths involving influenza.


4Influenza death counts include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 also listed as a cause of death.


5Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, pneumonia, or influenza, coded to ICD–10 codes U07.1 or J09-18.9.



We normally have a massive amount of "pneumonia" deaths a year. Which is caused by flu season

This year they're just labeling them differently because tehre is a new cold....

Cause of death - flu seems to be rarely written on coroner's reports. Or in this case covid is really a cold, but it gives you a fever so it's symptoms are more flu like. Last year all these deaths would have gone under "pneumonia". There is no way to connect covid 19 and these deaths without extensive blood testing no one is doing to confirm these deaths.

And even then you'd only be confident they had the virus....not that it was the direct cause of death.

So we're using flawed tests in a nation that loses 80k a year to respiratory problems anyway. Those other conditions didn't just magically disappear. Clearly some % of the death toll isn't covid-19 related. How much we don't know.

I'm no doctor or expert on any of this, but I have serious doubts about what you are saying. Let's leave it there. You believe what you want.

Well like I said I have asthma...And while I'm not a medical professional most of my kin are or in related industries.

We had tens of thousands of pneumonia deaths last year. The count is nothing this year.....

What more do you need to know?

***Clearly covid-19 exists and is causing problems. But there is no doubt the way we're processing the data is going to lead to over estimating risk rather than underestimating.

*** How did you came out or determine...... What is over estimating than underestimating?

You do know that when you are tested they can tell if you are tested + of Covid-19 or pneumonia. You do know that right? They don’t just willy nilly guess flip a coin you have a covid-19 or pneumonia.

 

[charwin95]

These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

That's because Covid 19 is a viral pneumonia. And of course doctors can distinguish the various types of pneumonia and isolate the Covid 19 virus.
I don't know where you get your news, but you should seek something different.

I linked you the CDC death tolls

They clearly state they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

It's really not that complex. We would normally call these deaths "pneumonia" deaths becuase of the symptoms.

You get a cold, then it turn into pneumonia and your life is at risk

Source: was born with asthma and clearly have a much better understanding of respiratory problems than you.

It's not the corona virus (aka cold...somtimes what we would call flu if you have a fever) we would normally say is the killer....It's the pneumonia

This is what your link says. I don't see where they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems. If you think it does, please copy and paste the relevant piece for me. It looks to me as if they're distinguishing between the flu and Covid just fine.

The provisional data presented on this page include the weekly provisional count of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, deaths from all causes and percent of expected deaths (i.e., number of deaths received over number of deaths expected based on data from previous years), pneumonia deaths (excluding pneumonia deaths involving influenza), pneumonia deaths involving COVID-19, influenza deaths, and deaths involving pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19; (a) by week ending date and (b) by specific jurisdictions.

There are asterisks underneath the table....

3Pneumonia death counts exclude pneumonia deaths involving influenza.


4Influenza death counts include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 also listed as a cause of death.


5Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, pneumonia, or influenza, coded to ICD–10 codes U07.1 or J09-18.9.



We normally have a massive amount of "pneumonia" deaths a year. Which is caused by flu season

This year they're just labeling them differently because tehre is a new cold....

Cause of death - flu seems to be rarely written on coroner's reports. Or in this case covid is really a cold, but it gives you a fever so it's symptoms are more flu like. Last year all these deaths would have gone under "pneumonia". There is no way to connect covid 19 and these deaths without extensive blood testing no one is doing to confirm these deaths.

And even then you'd only be confident they had the virus....not that it was the direct cause of death.

So we're using flawed tests in a nation that loses 80k a year to respiratory problems anyway. Those other conditions didn't just magically disappear. Clearly some % of the death toll isn't covid-19 related. How much we don't know.

How in the world you came up with all these craps?

 

[charwin95]

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Fauci has been wrong about everything, moron.

No he hasn’t. But Trump has. So every time Trump fucks things up, things get worse.

60,000 to 100,000 deaths in one year, if you did everything right. Well you blew by that number in 6 weeks.

Right now, you’re looking at 300,000 dead Americans, if nobody else gets sick. Just from those already dead and the people who are currently sick.

Where the fuck are you getting these "This is definitely how many deaths there would have been if . . ." numbers from? Your crystal ball? How the fuck do you know what would or wouldn't have happened in a world that never actually existed?

Where am I getting my numbers from?

COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

The same place I've been getting them since early March.

Current rate of deaths worldwide 15% of closed cases.

Current rate of death in the USA based on 384,440 closed cases: 22%. Active cases 1,032,958 cases. 22% of active cases 227,250 more deaths, if no one else gets sick. That will bring your total to over 300,000 deaths.

Even if the USA lowers its rate of death to the world level of 15%, that's still 154,943 more American deaths, over and above the 84,000 who have already died. And both numbers are based on absolutely no one else getting the virus.

When the Trump Administration has released numbers, they have always released and touted the most optimistic lowest numbers possible. Then adjusted upwards when forced to. Now they're just desperate to down play the level of death anticipated.

When I said more than 100,000 Americans would die, people called me deranged. You'll hit 100,000 deaths by Memorial Day Weekend. Seriously, this has gone well beyond "horrific".

84,000 dead, lol

Oh honey you are very confused about how these respiratory issues work.

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

***These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

Data is unbelievably flawed. 15% death rate lol

You'd have to accurate test huge random samples to have any idea of the death rate. It's probably well under 1%

*** Are you serious? Yes they can tell you if you have pneumonia or covid-19 respiratory infections. Very simple.

 

[Juicin]

These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

That's because Covid 19 is a viral pneumonia. And of course doctors can distinguish the various types of pneumonia and isolate the Covid 19 virus.
I don't know where you get your news, but you should seek something different.

I linked you the CDC death tolls

They clearly state they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

It's really not that complex. We would normally call these deaths "pneumonia" deaths becuase of the symptoms.

You get a cold, then it turn into pneumonia and your life is at risk

Source: was born with asthma and clearly have a much better understanding of respiratory problems than you.

It's not the corona virus (aka cold...somtimes what we would call flu if you have a fever) we would normally say is the killer....It's the pneumonia

This is what your link says. I don't see where they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems. If you think it does, please copy and paste the relevant piece for me. It looks to me as if they're distinguishing between the flu and Covid just fine.

The provisional data presented on this page include the weekly provisional count of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, deaths from all causes and percent of expected deaths (i.e., number of deaths received over number of deaths expected based on data from previous years), pneumonia deaths (excluding pneumonia deaths involving influenza), pneumonia deaths involving COVID-19, influenza deaths, and deaths involving pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19; (a) by week ending date and (b) by specific jurisdictions.

There are asterisks underneath the table....

3Pneumonia death counts exclude pneumonia deaths involving influenza.


4Influenza death counts include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 also listed as a cause of death.


5Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, pneumonia, or influenza, coded to ICD–10 codes U07.1 or J09-18.9.



We normally have a massive amount of "pneumonia" deaths a year. Which is caused by flu season

This year they're just labeling them differently because tehre is a new cold....

Cause of death - flu seems to be rarely written on coroner's reports. Or in this case covid is really a cold, but it gives you a fever so it's symptoms are more flu like. Last year all these deaths would have gone under "pneumonia". There is no way to connect covid 19 and these deaths without extensive blood testing no one is doing to confirm these deaths.

And even then you'd only be confident they had the virus....not that it was the direct cause of death.

So we're using flawed tests in a nation that loses 80k a year to respiratory problems anyway. Those other conditions didn't just magically disappear. Clearly some % of the death toll isn't covid-19 related. How much we don't know.

I'm no doctor or expert on any of this, but I have serious doubts about what you are saying. Let's leave it there. You believe what you want.

Well like I said I have asthma...And while I'm not a medical professional most of my kin are or in related industries.

We had tens of thousands of pneumonia deaths last year. The count is nothing this year.....

What more do you need to know?

***Clearly covid-19 exists and is causing problems. But there is no doubt the way we're processing the data is going to lead to over estimating risk rather than underestimating.

*** How did you came out or determine...... What is over estimating than underestimating?

You do know that when you are tested they can tell if you are tested + of Covid-19 or pneumonia. You do know that right? They don’t just willy nilly guess flip a coin you have a covid-19 or pneumonia.

Bruh you're not even speaking english wtf are you asking me?

 

[Juicin]

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Fauci has been wrong about everything, moron.

No he hasn’t. But Trump has. So every time Trump fucks things up, things get worse.

60,000 to 100,000 deaths in one year, if you did everything right. Well you blew by that number in 6 weeks.

Right now, you’re looking at 300,000 dead Americans, if nobody else gets sick. Just from those already dead and the people who are currently sick.

Where the fuck are you getting these "This is definitely how many deaths there would have been if . . ." numbers from? Your crystal ball? How the fuck do you know what would or wouldn't have happened in a world that never actually existed?

Where am I getting my numbers from?

COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

The same place I've been getting them since early March.

Current rate of deaths worldwide 15% of closed cases.

Current rate of death in the USA based on 384,440 closed cases: 22%. Active cases 1,032,958 cases. 22% of active cases 227,250 more deaths, if no one else gets sick. That will bring your total to over 300,000 deaths.

Even if the USA lowers its rate of death to the world level of 15%, that's still 154,943 more American deaths, over and above the 84,000 who have already died. And both numbers are based on absolutely no one else getting the virus.

When the Trump Administration has released numbers, they have always released and touted the most optimistic lowest numbers possible. Then adjusted upwards when forced to. Now they're just desperate to down play the level of death anticipated.

When I said more than 100,000 Americans would die, people called me deranged. You'll hit 100,000 deaths by Memorial Day Weekend. Seriously, this has gone well beyond "horrific".

84,000 dead, lol

Oh honey you are very confused about how these respiratory issues work.

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

***These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

Data is unbelievably flawed. 15% death rate lol

You'd have to accurate test huge random samples to have any idea of the death rate. It's probably well under 1%

*** Are you serious? Yes they can tell you if you have pneumonia or covid-19 respiratory infections. Very simple.

No it's not, which is why they include pneumonia deaths in the covid chart

Simply saying it's simple doesn't make it so....

Those asteriks say otherwise.

Not to mention the testing going on here is in question.

IDK what the fuck you're linking but that's not the CDC numbers

 

[charwin95]

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Dr. Fauci is not wrong. Georgia just opened so give it a chance. South Korea had been closed and had very good results. Now they have opened and the virus has spiked.

Do people not understand that Koreans all live in one fucking city?

The only place comparable to places like that in East Asia are NY/NJ and chicago

And really chicago is more of a commuter city anyway. Although people do use the metro to get into the city. Once you're in you don't generally use public transport unless you live there. Or maybe you ride one of hte lines to work if it's really convenient.

Comparing Seoul to Atlanta is absurd

We are not talking about city of Seoul and Atlanta.....

Okay. So educate me. We are talking South Korea a country with 52 millions Koreans. California populations is about 40 millions. New York State 20 millions.

Why is S. Korea with more populations than Ca has far less cases and death of CV-19?

Why is S. Korea with more populations than NY has far less cases and death of CV-19?

 

[charwin95]

These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

That's because Covid 19 is a viral pneumonia. And of course doctors can distinguish the various types of pneumonia and isolate the Covid 19 virus.
I don't know where you get your news, but you should seek something different.

I linked you the CDC death tolls

They clearly state they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

It's really not that complex. We would normally call these deaths "pneumonia" deaths becuase of the symptoms.

You get a cold, then it turn into pneumonia and your life is at risk

Source: was born with asthma and clearly have a much better understanding of respiratory problems than you.

It's not the corona virus (aka cold...somtimes what we would call flu if you have a fever) we would normally say is the killer....It's the pneumonia

This is what your link says. I don't see where they can't distinguish between any of these respiratory problems. If you think it does, please copy and paste the relevant piece for me. It looks to me as if they're distinguishing between the flu and Covid just fine.

The provisional data presented on this page include the weekly provisional count of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, deaths from all causes and percent of expected deaths (i.e., number of deaths received over number of deaths expected based on data from previous years), pneumonia deaths (excluding pneumonia deaths involving influenza), pneumonia deaths involving COVID-19, influenza deaths, and deaths involving pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19; (a) by week ending date and (b) by specific jurisdictions.

There are asterisks underneath the table....

3Pneumonia death counts exclude pneumonia deaths involving influenza.


4Influenza death counts include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 also listed as a cause of death.


5Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, pneumonia, or influenza, coded to ICD–10 codes U07.1 or J09-18.9.



We normally have a massive amount of "pneumonia" deaths a year. Which is caused by flu season

This year they're just labeling them differently because tehre is a new cold....

Cause of death - flu seems to be rarely written on coroner's reports. Or in this case covid is really a cold, but it gives you a fever so it's symptoms are more flu like. Last year all these deaths would have gone under "pneumonia". There is no way to connect covid 19 and these deaths without extensive blood testing no one is doing to confirm these deaths.

And even then you'd only be confident they had the virus....not that it was the direct cause of death.

So we're using flawed tests in a nation that loses 80k a year to respiratory problems anyway. Those other conditions didn't just magically disappear. Clearly some % of the death toll isn't covid-19 related. How much we don't know.

I'm no doctor or expert on any of this, but I have serious doubts about what you are saying. Let's leave it there. You believe what you want.

Well like I said I have asthma...And while I'm not a medical professional most of my kin are or in related industries.

We had tens of thousands of pneumonia deaths last year. The count is nothing this year.....

What more do you need to know?

***Clearly covid-19 exists and is causing problems. But there is no doubt the way we're processing the data is going to lead to over estimating risk rather than underestimating.

*** How did you came out or determine...... What is over estimating than underestimating?

You do know that when you are tested they can tell if you are tested + of Covid-19 or pneumonia. You do know that right? They don’t just willy nilly guess flip a coin you have a covid-19 or pneumonia.

Bruh you're not even speaking english wtf are you asking me?

Dude you don’t know what you are talking about Dude.

 

[charwin95]

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Fauci has been wrong about everything, moron.

No he hasn’t. But Trump has. So every time Trump fucks things up, things get worse.

60,000 to 100,000 deaths in one year, if you did everything right. Well you blew by that number in 6 weeks.

Right now, you’re looking at 300,000 dead Americans, if nobody else gets sick. Just from those already dead and the people who are currently sick.

Where the fuck are you getting these "This is definitely how many deaths there would have been if . . ." numbers from? Your crystal ball? How the fuck do you know what would or wouldn't have happened in a world that never actually existed?

Where am I getting my numbers from?

COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

The same place I've been getting them since early March.

Current rate of deaths worldwide 15% of closed cases.

Current rate of death in the USA based on 384,440 closed cases: 22%. Active cases 1,032,958 cases. 22% of active cases 227,250 more deaths, if no one else gets sick. That will bring your total to over 300,000 deaths.

Even if the USA lowers its rate of death to the world level of 15%, that's still 154,943 more American deaths, over and above the 84,000 who have already died. And both numbers are based on absolutely no one else getting the virus.

When the Trump Administration has released numbers, they have always released and touted the most optimistic lowest numbers possible. Then adjusted upwards when forced to. Now they're just desperate to down play the level of death anticipated.

When I said more than 100,000 Americans would die, people called me deranged. You'll hit 100,000 deaths by Memorial Day Weekend. Seriously, this has gone well beyond "horrific".

84,000 dead, lol

Oh honey you are very confused about how these respiratory issues work.

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

***These people are dying of "pneumonia" like symptoms. Doctors have no ability to distinguish this respiratory problem from another.

Data is unbelievably flawed. 15% death rate lol

You'd have to accurate test huge random samples to have any idea of the death rate. It's probably well under 1%

*** Are you serious? Yes they can tell you if you have pneumonia or covid-19 respiratory infections. Very simple.

No it's not, which is why they include pneumonia deaths in the covid chart

Simply saying it's simple doesn't make it so....

Those asteriks say otherwise.

Not to mention the testing going on here is in question.

IDK what the fuck you're linking but that's not the CDC numbers

Your 15%? Your 15%?
Well if you have a question about testing why not lay it out instead of keep blabbering nonsense. YOU ARE VERY WRONG ALL THE WAY.

So if you get tested + of CV-19 is that mean nothing? Those are independent study but it doesn’t means it’s illegal or incorrect because they can get sued for publishing wrong health informations.

 

[IM2]

We

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

All people with medical knowledge say it is only when a new virus first hits that it is really dangerous.
They all say we then develop herd immunity and it becomes much less significant.

ll that is true why have we not eliminated the flu death each year? CV-19 is very new to develop any kinds of immunity. Downplaying this virus has a very significant serious problem today and in the future.

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

I come from a family with a bunch of doctors. I'm the black sheep. I didn't become one or go into the medical field.

I know a ton of doctors and those who work in the medical field In my family and friends.

Not even ONE of them has ever said they aren't concerned with the virus and are more concerned with having a job.

No doctor would ever say such a thing. Ever.

They would say if they're seeing virus patients or not but never say they aren't concerned about it and more concerned about having a job.

Health care and doctors offices have not been closed. They are essential services. They have had to modify their offices for social distancing but that's about it.

Dentists aren't open but are working on an emergency cases basis.

Elective surgeries have been canceled.

The fact that the far right radical lying conservative added hoping they still have a job on the end of their lie, exposes the lie for what it is.

Heath care is essential services and aren't closed.

Crashing this economy over such idiocy as a weak virus is egregious and disturbing. The governors, state, local officials need to be held accountable for their utter disregard of the constitution.

Why are you mad? Why not blame your fake messiah who made the pandemic worse? I have nothing to do with it.
It’s true people need to got back to work but need practice precautions.

Im not mad. Trump isn't to blame for this virus. Some people need to be careful but the other 99 percent don't and the healthy should never be quarantined.

Trump mishandling of the pandemic is not acceptable especially when he downplayed this crisis. As late February 20 in his rally he called this a democrat new hoax. Didn’t do anything till mid March but very busy blaming and pointing fingers + playing golf.

How do you even know which one or not need to be quarantined? How do you even know which one is healthy? How do I know you will not infect me or me infecting others?

I understand these are severe that we have to go through but we don’t have that much choice. I think.

I’m very active person lots of activities. this is killing me. 2 weeks ago I have a fight with a cop parked by the beach. I lease a condo by the beach so I can get closer to my kids and their kids. A cop with his car parked right by the beach close to our compound. There’s no one there at the beach not a single soul. I asked him very nicely. I said son........ if I can just stand there and practice my (screams at certain high notes) voice. I’m not going to the water. I just need no more than 10 minutes to practice my (vocal cord) voice. He said NO. I looked at him. I told him THIS IS NOT GOING TO COST YOU. ARREST ME IF YOU WANT. And I just walked towards the beach and stand by the sand no more than 5 feet from the pavement. He was staring at me didn’t say anything. When I was done I passed by him and say Thank you.

I'm not ruled by fear. Thats the difference.

Good common sense is not fear.

 

[bripat9643]

W

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

I come from a family with a bunch of doctors. I'm the black sheep. I didn't become one or go into the medical field.

I know a ton of doctors and those who work in the medical field In my family and friends.

Not even ONE of them has ever said they aren't concerned with the virus and are more concerned with having a job.

No doctor would ever say such a thing. Ever.

They would say if they're seeing virus patients or not but never say they aren't concerned about it and more concerned about having a job.

Health care and doctors offices have not been closed. They are essential services. They have had to modify their offices for social distancing but that's about it.

Dentists aren't open but are working on an emergency cases basis.

Elective surgeries have been canceled.

The fact that the far right radical lying conservative added hoping they still have a job on the end of their lie, exposes the lie for what it is.

Heath care is essential services and aren't closed.

You mentioned previously that doctors you knew are not concerned of the CV. They are more concerned of having a job.........

Doctors I know will never say something like that. Health and well being of their patients are their concern. Job is worthless if you get sick. You can get a job later or go to welfare if needed but you cannot replace your life. That’s whats stake.

I’m in the medical instruments business. I can assure you that I know by far more doctors than you or anybody here. Hospitals are my customers.

Yeah, doctors are pretty fucking stupid about stuff like that. I've had doctors tell me to retire. How does the moron suppose I'm going to pay his bill if I don't have a job.

Why is that my fault? Blame your messiah.

You're the one telling us we should trust doctors to tell us whether we should work or not. What I'm telling you is that doctors are idiots who believe everyone earns half a million a year just like they do.

 

[bripat9643]

Here's another nail in the shutdown coffin. I predict this shutdown will last only a few more weeks.

Dr. Fauci Is Wrong Again: Coronavirus Cases Drop to New Lows After Georgia Opens the State and Lifts Lockdown Orders -UPDATE​

​

In late April Dr. Tony Fauci made it clear he opposed the decision by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to lift the lockdown orders in his state. “If I were advising the governor, I would tell him he should be careful. Going ahead and leapfrogging into phases where you should not be … I would advise him not to do that.”​

​

But Dr. Fauci was wrong again. In fact, it starting to look like this guy is NEVER right about anything? It must be nice having a government job and not have to worry about getting fired!​

​

Fauci and the critics were all wrong. Today Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announced on Saturday the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th and the lowest total of ventilators in use.​

​

Today marks the lowest number of COVID-19 positive patients currently hospitalized statewide (1,203) since hospitals began reporting this data on April 8th.​

​

Today also marks the lowest total of ventilators in use (897 with 1,945 available).​

Wrong. Fauci is right.

Number of new cases on May 9th: 419
Number of new cases on May 10th: 886

View attachment 334712

Over all numbers will go hgher as more and more testing is done. The real metric of this disease are the numbers of new hosptializations and those have not climbed. So the majority of those being affected are those that have little or no symptoms when they get this disease.

Health professions in Ga are already building temporary hospitals to handle the surge they are expecting

LOL

They began expanding their capacity months ago. They understand that it will spike the cases to a certain level but as the population becomes immune to it the rate of infections will drop and the needs will also drop. Absent a vaccine there is only one way to beat a pathogen, its called herd immunity. Staying at home prolongs this process but you will still become infected. Its time to stop hiding from this virus and beat it. With 98% of the populace not having a problem with getting this virus and becoming immune we can protect those who are most at risk and still get on with life.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving herd immunity is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Not one shred of evidence exists proving the shutdown is a viable concept for this kind of virus.

Herd immunity, on the other hand, is a well established concept supported by centuries of empirical data.

You are 100% wrong and the exact opposite of your claims are fact. Empirical data accurately proves shutdowns and lockdowns work and if herd immunity for Corona viruses worked no one would ever get common colds, which are caused by a coronavirus. The reason is known to science. Some viruses, Coronaviruses included, are able to change and adapt.

Really? How does it prove that?

You're understanding is obviously wrong because herd immunity requires that a certain people contract the virus. I don't know how colds work, but we have flu every year or two because a new strain comes out every year or two. I believe the as me thing happens with colds, but they are much less serious so no one panics about it.

We fight yearly flu with vaccines. You are comfortable with giving all this life or death advice and opinions on COVID-19 and pandemics yet freely admit you know nothing abour the common cold. You even think the flu comes "every year or two"(your words).
People like you or anyone else with little medical knowledge should shut up and stop fantasizing about being scholarly and of high ranging intelligence. You are giving dangerous and poor advice and opinions. Think about it, you are advising on Coronavirus and admitting you know nothing about the common cold.

We fight yearly flu not very well, just FYI. Flu vaccines are far from 100% effective, even when the medical experts guess right about which strain of the flu will be dominant that season. In the years where they guess wrong, flu vaccines are as effective as just shooting people with distilled water.

You are comfortable talking about the wonders of lockdowns and how they "work" without telling us what "lockdowns working" actually means, and without telling us what purpose they actually serve if no vaccine is possible. You are sitting back and criticizing and complaining about how everyone else's plans and suggestions are impossible and dangerous, without offering anything solid yourself.

I rely on what medical experts say and promote. For some odd reason, I have more trust in them than politicians and partisan hacks. So, if doctors tell me not to do something and some politician tells me not to listen to the doctors, I will probably ignore the politicians.

All of the doctors that I know just aren't concerned. Theyre more concerned about having a job.

Then doctors you know are dumb to say something like that. I know lots of doctors and they will never say something like that.

I come from a family with a bunch of doctors. I'm the black sheep. I didn't become one or go into the medical field.

I know a ton of doctors and those who work in the medical field In my family and friends.

Not even ONE of them has ever said they aren't concerned with the virus and are more concerned with having a job.

No doctor would ever say such a thing. Ever.

They would say if they're seeing virus patients or not but never say they aren't concerned about it and more concerned about having a job.

Health care and doctors offices have not been closed. They are essential services. They have had to modify their offices for social distancing but that's about it.

Dentists aren't open but are working on an emergency cases basis.

Elective surgeries have been canceled.

The fact that the far right radical lying conservative added hoping they still have a job on the end of their lie, exposes the lie for what it is.

Heath care is essential services and aren't closed.

You mentioned previously that doctors you knew are not concerned of the CV. They are more concerned of having a job.........

Doctors I know will never say something like that. Health and well being of their patients are their concern. Job is worthless if you get sick. You can get a job later or go to welfare if needed but you cannot replace your life. That’s whats stake.

I’m in the medical instruments business. I can assure you that I know by far more doctors than you or anybody here. Hospitals are my customers.

I can assure you that I know dozens and dozens and they aren't real concerned about this virus. Whats at stake is that the governors, state, local officials who have unconstitutionally held states down need to be investigated.

You are lying. Doctors are more concerned of your health than a jobs. Jobs can be regain your health is NOT. If you disagree with the rules by all means no one is holding you. Just imagine if these government officials didn’t have these restrictions. We will never seethe end of these crisis but keeps growing. Don’t you think?

Doctors who don't care about your job are stupid. How are you going to pay doctor bills if you don't have a job?

TDS morons are all suffering from brain damage.

And for the record, jobs are not that easy to regain. People often become unemployed and then never work in the same capacity again.

 

[Snouter]

Tiny Tony Fraudi has been very consistent. He has been wrong 100% of the time.

 

[Lesh]

Okay. So educate me. We are talking South Korea a country with 52 millions Koreans. California populations is about 40 millions. New York State 20 millions.

Why is S. Korea with more populations than Ca has far less cases and death of CV-19?

Why is S. Korea with more populations than NY has far less cases and death of CV-19?

Because they locked down HARD...tested aggressively early...and id contact tracing and quarantine