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rtwngAvngr said:So the modern world should just tolerate murderous insanity based on nothing?
We should tolerate murderous insanity based only on valid and compassionate
issues. We do it all the time.
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rtwngAvngr said:So the modern world should just tolerate murderous insanity based on nothing?
I don't know if some "zen thing" which leads to obviously wrong conclusions in your case is the policy with which to fight the war on terror.sagegirl said:We can do better.....both as a nation and as individuals.
Suggestions....I wont even try....I just know that what we are doing now is not serving us well. It is a basic understanding to know and respect your "enemy" and what follows in kind of an abstract way is that "ZEN" thing that once you know and respect your enemy, it will no longer exist.
It has zero validity. Enemies still exist, even when you understand them fully, which we do.Thats way out there I know but it also has some validity.
the right direction being your "zen thing" idiocy?We have to do something positive to get ourselves moving in the right direction.
They get oil profits. Giving them their own sovereignty is already the plan. Pay attention.We cant just pack up and get out of Iraq, but I do believe that we need to establish a realistic plan to pull out. There will continue to be internal problems but if we offer them real benefits for their participation in the world economy (oil profits for one thing) and promise them the right to their own
sovereignty, maybe we can make this situation better.
On a personal level, I think that this war and our military presence in the middle east has alot to do with greed and the desire to have control of the oil and the pipelines throughout the region. It all comes down to money and power and greed. Our government and our leaders are self serving in this and I think it is time to take back our power (away from the lobbyists, the media, and corperate america). We are too comfortable and lazy, and guilty of indifference to alot of whats going on....we are too busy just making a living at least alot of us, and just consider the number of people eligible to vote who dont.
I am against government censorship......I personally find a whole lot of society offensive and personally "censor it out".rtwngAvngr said:Sage girl, you mention censorship in your list of "other opinions", along with the right to die. Are you PRO censorship?
sagegirl said:I am against government censorship......I personally find a whole lot of society offensive and personally "censor it out".
My list included ideas and issues that are contentious, not meaning to add any personal bias.
the right direction being your "zen thing" idiocy?
sagegirl said:I hope in getting to know and respect....and that goes both ways....(they are not showing us any respect, and know very little about us) then we can better understand. We are going to have to do something, the alternative is to what...."nuke em, kill every last one of them, " what do you realistically consider a long term solution.
sagegirl said:...
...I dont know alot about islam, but I do tend to believe that they too have a society that is intolerant. So we do have that in common, at least...
BZZZZZZZZ---asking for realistic suggestions to resolve the problem with radical muslims is a no no. We first have to spend years trying to find out whose fault it is.sagegirl said:I hope in getting to know and respect....and that goes both ways....(they are not showing us any respect, and know very little about us) then we can better understand. We are going to have to do something, the alternative is to what...."nuke em, kill every last one of them, " what do you realistically consider a long term solution.
sagegirl said:I hope in getting to know and respect....and that goes both ways....(they are not showing us any respect, and know very little about us) then we can better understand. We are going to have to do something, the alternative is to what...."nuke em, kill every last one of them, " what do you realistically consider a long term solution.
rtwngAvngr said:Typically contentious issues have strong support on both sides of the issue. Who strongly supports censorship? I though censorship was a nonissue, assuming that the left and right are both against it. You must think it has strong support somewhere. Where is that support coming from in your view? Why did you include it in your list if you believe nobody favors it?
Maybe your self censorship is the cause of your obvious ignorance.
HorhayAtAMD said:You ask what motivates them? Listen to them, they tell you every day. Their only attempt to hide their message is by using your anti-semitism to trick you into thinking their goals have something to do with Israel and even at this, they don't try very hard. Listen to their messages and see if you can find any hint, even a tiny hint that they will stop once they have destroyed Israel. They are telling you every day what their eventual goal is: the destruction, through conversion or death, of every non-islamic person everywhere on earth (yes, including the US). I suspect you know this but you think that by isolating the US from the rest of the world, you can better protect yourself. In fact, all you do is let them fight their war against you on their terms. The war will be fought to its conclusion eventually. Do you want to do it when you are ready, or when they are ready?
William Joyce said:I was with you until this point, and I am somewhat sympathetic to even this, but from a pretty hardcore consersative perspective. I am NOT interested in holding hands with Muslim radicals and "getting to know" them. And anyone who reads my posts knows I have NO interest in "tolerating differences." I say bullshit to that.
But!
I am interested in more public discussion of what MOTIVATES them, which is U.S. support of Israel. Osama bin Laden said that was a main reason for 9/11, but we don't ever even TALK about this because it's taboo. I think that is wrong. Our country's interests should come first, and if the neocon Jews want Israel's to come first, we'll just have to ignore them.
William Joyce said:Your Michael Moore devotion has done the same!
Consider xenophobia. It could save your life. Just ask the English.
GunnyL said:Michael Moore? Just shows where YOU come from comparing me to that maggot.
And no, I won't consider xenophobia. It is nothing but an indicator of fear and ignorance.
William Joyce said:The whole "war is over oil" idea is tired lefty crap, easily disproven but championed by libbies like Moore (and apparently you) because it's non-controversial.
As for "fear," you should be afraid. People want to kill you, homeboy, and it sure as hell ain't 'cause you're "free." More likely, it's because you ain't. As for "ignorance," please do get to know the radical Islamists. Report back to me what you've learned after you've spoken with them. The truth is that nobody really wants to be "understood," they want to be obeyed, yielded to, and paid off. Liberals never seem to get this.
sagegirl said:This is a bit off the topic but I will respond....I think censorship is a highly contentious issue. It can be either up front and in your face or it can be subtle, and sometimes it is almost like reverse censorship, by limiting access to some or by the process of certain benefits for those that push certain ideas. There are two very extreme sides to censorship and everything in between is a matter of degree.
sagegirl said:We should tolerate murderous insanity based only on valid and compassionate
issues. We do it all the time.