Not paying taxes "makes me smart."

[JBond]

The problem is not limited to Trump paying no Federal income taxes, it's also that his tax policy also adds up to him and his companies PAYING EVEN LESS taxes.

So Trumpsters saying "well he is just taking advantage of existing law" doesn't fly as HE IS THE ONE PROPOSING LAWS.

He does not pass laws dumbass.

The problem is not limited to Trump paying no Federal income taxes, it's also that his tax policy also adds up to him and his companies PAYING EVEN LESS taxes.

So Trumpsters saying "well he is just taking advantage of existing law" doesn't fly as HE IS THE ONE PROPOSING LAWS.

He does not pass laws dumbass.

No, his team just writes them.

Congress creates/modifies the tax laws.

LMAO, you're naive as fuck if you think corporations and lobbyists don't write these tax codes. Congress merely adopts them.

Umm...OK? You were bitching about tax proposals, so what exactly is your misguided point?

Funny you aren't bitching about Google and taxes. Follow the money. Who is Google backing? How about Goldman Sachs?

 

[Redfish]

there will always be rich and there will always be poor.

Under the libtardian system that you seem to want, there will be a few mega rich running things and everyone else will be living in poverty------------can you say North Korea? You fools want a system like theirs, where the government dictates how everyone much live and all the money and power is concentrated in a very small group of super elites. Wake the fuck up and understand what you are asking for.

I have no clue what you are rambling about, pretty sure neither do you.

no one expects you to understand. your service motion sucks, by the way.

 

[Rustic]

Dude, like 3/4 of your base doesn't pay taxes. Shut the fuck up

They aren't billionaires.

Who gives a shit how much someone makes or how little... it's none of your fucking business nor is it the federal government's business. They just fuck everything up they touch

Wrong. Constitutionally it's very much the government's business how much you make.

Na, not originally… LOL

The original Constitution is obsolete. I'm not surprised you didn't know that.

The first 10 amendments if actually followed would make a federal income tax obsolete and short sighted... as we found out it is.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Let's be real. It's his tax attorney/accountants who are smart with regard to his tax minimization strategies and tactics.

Who hires them?

So Trump's super smart because his money buys good CPAs? Hell, he probably didn't even pick them. He has assistants to his assistants. I doubt he even knows what a Schedule C is.

Bingo what we have been saying all along hire the best and go play golf, that's what a smart CEO does.
.

That's among the things every CEO may do, but it's not what they are paid expressly to do or do well. Moreover, it's typically a firm's general counsel that engages outside attorneys, and a CEO is way too deep "in the weeds" if s/he has a role in actually hiring any attorney other than the company's general counsel. Most of the time, that hiring decision is actually made either collectively by the board or by the CFO, COO and/or President.

What are CEO's there to do?

• Creating, communicating and implementing the organization's vision, mission, and overall direction. Leading the development and implementation of the overall organization's strategy.
• Leading, guiding, directing, and evaluating the work of other executive leaders including presidents, vice presidents, and directors, depending on the organization's reporting structure.
• Soliciting advice and guidance, when appropriate, from a Board of Directors.
• Formulating and implementing the strategic plan that guides the direction of the business or organization.
• Overseeing the complete operation of an organization in accordance with the direction established in the strategic plans.
• Evaluating the success of the organization.
• Maintaining awareness of both the external and internal competitive landscape, opportunities for expansion, customers, markets, new industry developments and standards, and so forth.
• Representing the organization for civic and professional association responsibilities and activities in the local community, the state, and at the national level. (Other executive leaders bear responsibility for these ventures as interested or assigned as well.)
• Demonstrating the leadership necessary to make the organization's mission a success. This leadership includes providing leadership vision, leadership that attracts followers, and all other aspects of successful leadership

Truly, in all my years of consulting at the C-level, I'm not aware of any Fortune 500 (or comparable) CEOs who take an active role in the hiring of anyone other than other C-level employees. (I'm not saying there are none who do or have. I'm just saying that of the one's I've consulted for -- about a dozen -- none ever have taken a role in hiring attorneys other than a general counsel.) Even that process is generally more about whom one/board members knows and is willing to invite to consider the position than it does with folks actively applying for it. You have to remember, the world of C-level-eligible workers is very small, as is the world of folks who sit on corporate boards and so on, and it's dramatically smaller if a firm seeks someone from within their own industry.

I think you may be underestimating the role and depth of "network" at that level. Just how small are we talking? Well, small enough that members of a corporation's leadership are, at most, a day and a phone call away from the person with whom they want to discuss taking a C-level position, and that's if they don't already have a personal connection with them. It's actually difficult to find a C-level person in the Fortune 500 who has never met, belonged to the same organization with, gone to school with, lived in same neighborhood with, has no close friends, acquaintances or close business associates in common with, etc. most other C-level folks from the Fortune 500.

Translation~ hire the best and go play golf

 

[JBond]

everyone pays sales taxes, the more stuff you buy the more you pay. The rich buy more stuff and pay more sales taxes. its really not very complicated.

The rich DO NOT buy more stuff as a % of their income, they buy LESS and thats even more true during recessionary periods, where their savings shoot through the roof and low income households still spend everything to make ends meet.

So how does taxing them put more money in poors people's pocket?

It doesn't. They know this. They just want something to bitch about. They are greedy hypocritical dumb asses.

 

[Rustic]

Let's be real. It's his tax attorney/accountants who are smart with regard to his tax minimization strategies and tactics.

Who hires them?

So Trump's super smart because his money buys good CPAs? Hell, he probably didn't even pick them. He has assistants to his assistants. I doubt he even knows what a Schedule C is.

Bingo what we have been saying all along hire the best and go play golf, that's what a smart CEO does.
.

That's among the things every CEO may do, but it's not what they are paid expressly to do or do well. Moreover, it's typically a firm's general counsel that engages outside attorneys, and a CEO is way too deep "in the weeds" if s/he has a role in actually hiring any attorney other than the company's general counsel. Most of the time, that hiring decision is actually made either collectively by the board or by the CFO, COO and/or President.

What are CEO's there to do?

• Creating, communicating and implementing the organization's vision, mission, and overall direction. Leading the development and implementation of the overall organization's strategy.
• Leading, guiding, directing, and evaluating the work of other executive leaders including presidents, vice presidents, and directors, depending on the organization's reporting structure.
• Soliciting advice and guidance, when appropriate, from a Board of Directors.
• Formulating and implementing the strategic plan that guides the direction of the business or organization.
• Overseeing the complete operation of an organization in accordance with the direction established in the strategic plans.
• Evaluating the success of the organization.
• Maintaining awareness of both the external and internal competitive landscape, opportunities for expansion, customers, markets, new industry developments and standards, and so forth.
• Representing the organization for civic and professional association responsibilities and activities in the local community, the state, and at the national level. (Other executive leaders bear responsibility for these ventures as interested or assigned as well.)
• Demonstrating the leadership necessary to make the organization's mission a success. This leadership includes providing leadership vision, leadership that attracts followers, and all other aspects of successful leadership

Truly, in all my years of consulting at the C-level, I'm not aware of any Fortune 500 (or comparable) CEOs who take an active role in the hiring of anyone other than other C-level employees. (I'm not saying there are none who do or have. I'm just saying that of the one's I've consulted for -- about a dozen -- none ever have taken a role in hiring attorneys other than a general counsel.) Even that process is generally more about whom one/board members knows and is willing to invite to consider the position than it does with folks actively applying for it. You have to remember, the world of C-level-eligible workers is very small, as is the world of folks who sit on corporate boards and so on, and it's dramatically smaller if a firm seeks someone from within their own industry.

I think you may be underestimating the role and depth of "network" at that level. Just how small are we talking? Well, small enough that members of a corporation's leadership are, at most, a day and a phone call away from the person with whom they want to discuss taking a C-level position, and that's if they don't already have a personal connection with them. It's actually difficult to find a C-level person in the Fortune 500 who has never met, belonged to the same organization with, gone to school with, lived in same neighborhood with, has no close friends, acquaintances or close business associates in common with, etc. most other C-level folks from the Fortune 500.

…And the federal government hires no one, because a federal government civilian job is not a real job at all. Because us poor saps have to pay for that shit.

 

[Lewdog]

Look flat out. A guy brags about making MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year...and how he turned himself into a BILLIONAIRE, but he gets away without owing any taxes? Yet a guy who makes $100,000 a year has to pay taxes? How can people NOT see the problem there? The fact Trump has plans on how to fix the infrastructure and military with tax dollars? Yet he isn't paying taxes? Why is it so hard for people not to see the problem there?

Here is a twitter video of Mark Cuban talking about Trump's comment. I don't like that Cuban supports Hillary, but his comment here is right on.

Stefan Becket on Twitter

There is one glaring piece of information missing here.

Trump's tax return. No one here knows how much he paid or didn't pay in taxes since he has not published his returns. This was all a what if speculation by Hillary

And BTW he does not have to publish them

Hillary flat out made the point of saying he paid no taxes. Trump didn't deny it, and instead took it as a chance to be braggadocios about it, and say, "That makes me smart."

Everyone that has run for President the last 40 years has released their tax returns. He should do it. And saying that being audited is stopping him, has now been put out there as a lie. The IRS said nothing is stopping him. It's ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

 

[Dale Smith]

No Donald it makes you a rich asshole who takes advantage of the tax code.

I cant wait to hear republicans now say that tax cheats, people who dont pay taxes etc are good people unless they're poor tax cheats. Those tax cheats are bad tax cheats.

Here are some facts about the "income tax".


#1 Unless you are an employee of the federal "gubermint", work within the District of Columbia or one of their territories like Guam, Puerto Rico, etc, etc, you are not subject to a tax on your labor.

#2 The 16th amendment was never ratified by enough states for it to pass. Bill Conklin, famous income tax protester has over 17,000 original documents proving it was never ratified by enough states.

#3 The IRS is incorporated in Puerto Rico and is actually the collection arm of the International Monetary Fund Trust #62 since the IMF took USA.INC into receivership as "successor to contract" due to the Chapter Bankruptcy of 1950 to provide the essential enumerated "gubermint" services.

#4 The SCOTUS has ruled 4 times that the 16 amendment gave the government no new taxing authority.

#5 Less than 10 percent of the income tax is ever returned to USA.INC to fund any of the "gubermint" services per the Grace Report of 1984.

#6 Per the Constitution, the taxing of one wages for bartering one's labor was not to be allowed.

#7 A graduated income tax is one of the planks of the communist manifesto as is a central bank which explains why leftards are so adamant about income taxes and defending the unconstitutional, internationally owned Federal reserve central bank.

Who cares? You're not voting. You are not a citizen, remember?

I am educating idiots like you. Does it bother you that I am a state nationalist in lieu of being a U.S citizen? Tough shit.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

Look flat out. A guy brags about making MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year...and how he turned himself into a BILLIONAIRE, but he gets away without owing any taxes? Yet a guy who makes $100,000 a year has to pay taxes? How can people NOT see the problem there? The fact Trump has plans on how to fix the infrastructure and military with tax dollars? Yet he isn't paying taxes? Why is it so hard for people not to see the problem there?

Here is a twitter video of Mark Cuban talking about Trump's comment. I don't like that Cuban supports Hillary, but his comment here is right on.

Stefan Becket on Twitter

There is one glaring piece of information missing here.

Trump's tax return. No one here knows how much he paid or didn't pay in taxes since he has not published his returns. This was all a what if speculation by Hillary

And BTW he does not have to publish them

Hillary flat out made the point of saying he paid no taxes. Trump didn't deny it, and instead took it as a chance to be braggadocios about it, and say, "That makes me smart."

Everyone that has run for President the last 40 years has released their tax returns. He should do it. And saying that being audited is stopping him, has now been put out there as a lie. The IRS said nothing is stopping him. It's ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

There is no legal requirement for him to release his tax returns so he doesn't have to.

Hillary has no idea if he paid taxes or not so it doesn't matter what Trump said in reply as the first statement was meaningless

 

[Dale Smith]

Let's be real. It's his tax attorney/accountants who are smart with regard to his tax minimization strategies and tactics.

Who hires them?

So Trump's super smart because his money buys good CPAs? Hell, he probably didn't even pick them. He has assistants to his assistants. I doubt he even knows what a Schedule C is.

Bingo what we have been saying all along hire the best and go play golf, that's what a smart CEO does.
.

That's among the things every CEO may do, but it's not what they are paid expressly to do or do well. Moreover, it's typically a firm's general counsel that engages outside attorneys, and a CEO is way too deep "in the weeds" if s/he has a role in actually hiring any attorney other than the company's general counsel. Most of the time, that hiring decision is actually made either collectively by the board or by the CFO, COO and/or President.

What are CEO's there to do?

• Creating, communicating and implementing the organization's vision, mission, and overall direction. Leading the development and implementation of the overall organization's strategy.
• Leading, guiding, directing, and evaluating the work of other executive leaders including presidents, vice presidents, and directors, depending on the organization's reporting structure.
• Soliciting advice and guidance, when appropriate, from a Board of Directors.
• Formulating and implementing the strategic plan that guides the direction of the business or organization.
• Overseeing the complete operation of an organization in accordance with the direction established in the strategic plans.
• Evaluating the success of the organization.
• Maintaining awareness of both the external and internal competitive landscape, opportunities for expansion, customers, markets, new industry developments and standards, and so forth.
• Representing the organization for civic and professional association responsibilities and activities in the local community, the state, and at the national level. (Other executive leaders bear responsibility for these ventures as interested or assigned as well.)
• Demonstrating the leadership necessary to make the organization's mission a success. This leadership includes providing leadership vision, leadership that attracts followers, and all other aspects of successful leadership

Truly, in all my years of consulting at the C-level, I'm not aware of any Fortune 500 (or comparable) CEOs who take an active role in the hiring of anyone other than other C-level employees. (I'm not saying there are none who do or have. I'm just saying that of the one's I've consulted for -- about a dozen -- none ever have taken a role in hiring attorneys other than a general counsel.) Even that process is generally more about whom one/board members knows and is willing to invite to consider the position than it does with folks actively applying for it. You have to remember, the world of C-level-eligible workers is very small, as is the world of folks who sit on corporate boards and so on, and it's dramatically smaller if a firm seeks someone from within their own industry.

I think you may be underestimating the role and depth of "network" at that level. Just how small are we talking? Well, small enough that members of a corporation's leadership are, at most, a day and a phone call away from the person with whom they want to discuss taking a C-level position, and that's if they don't already have a personal connection with them. It's actually difficult to find a C-level person in the Fortune 500 who has never met, belonged to the same organization with, gone to school with, lived in same neighborhood with, has no close friends, acquaintances or close business associates in common with, etc. most other C-level folks from the Fortune 500.

USA.INC (aka your beloved federal gubermint") owns the controlling shares of the Fortune 500 corporations and by using proxy voters, they decide whom is the CEO and what his salary will be. You have a problem with that? Take it up with the corporate officers aka your congress people and senators. As long as the aforementioned CEO produces a good return for the shareholders of USA.INC, you can bet nothing will change. You really have no clue as to how this system actually works at all.

 

[Lewdog]

Look flat out. A guy brags about making MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year...and how he turned himself into a BILLIONAIRE, but he gets away without owing any taxes? Yet a guy who makes $100,000 a year has to pay taxes? How can people NOT see the problem there? The fact Trump has plans on how to fix the infrastructure and military with tax dollars? Yet he isn't paying taxes? Why is it so hard for people not to see the problem there?

Here is a twitter video of Mark Cuban talking about Trump's comment. I don't like that Cuban supports Hillary, but his comment here is right on.

Stefan Becket on Twitter

There is one glaring piece of information missing here.

Trump's tax return. No one here knows how much he paid or didn't pay in taxes since he has not published his returns. This was all a what if speculation by Hillary

And BTW he does not have to publish them

Hillary flat out made the point of saying he paid no taxes. Trump didn't deny it, and instead took it as a chance to be braggadocios about it, and say, "That makes me smart."

Everyone that has run for President the last 40 years has released their tax returns. He should do it. And saying that being audited is stopping him, has now been put out there as a lie. The IRS said nothing is stopping him. It's ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

There is no legal requirement for him to release his tax returns so he doesn't have to.

Hillary has no idea if he paid taxes or not so it doesn't matter what Trump said in reply as the first statement was meaningless

If he holds a government position his income tax becomes public record... how would trump supporters feel if they found out after he was elected President, that he isn't a Billionaire like he says he is? That he fudges the books to not pay any taxes? Etc.? Wouldn't you like to know these things before the election?

 

[Rustic]

Look flat out. A guy brags about making MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year...and how he turned himself into a BILLIONAIRE, but he gets away without owing any taxes? Yet a guy who makes $100,000 a year has to pay taxes? How can people NOT see the problem there? The fact Trump has plans on how to fix the infrastructure and military with tax dollars? Yet he isn't paying taxes? Why is it so hard for people not to see the problem there?

Here is a twitter video of Mark Cuban talking about Trump's comment. I don't like that Cuban supports Hillary, but his comment here is right on.

Stefan Becket on Twitter

There is one glaring piece of information missing here.

Trump's tax return. No one here knows how much he paid or didn't pay in taxes since he has not published his returns. This was all a what if speculation by Hillary

And BTW he does not have to publish them

Hillary flat out made the point of saying he paid no taxes. Trump didn't deny it, and instead took it as a chance to be braggadocios about it, and say, "That makes me smart."

Everyone that has run for President the last 40 years has released their tax returns. He should do it. And saying that being audited is stopping him, has now been put out there as a lie. The IRS said nothing is stopping him. It's ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

Under sniperfire?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

No Donald it makes you a rich asshole who takes advantage of the tax code.

Do you think Hillary's corporate masters pay taxes?

 

[Lewdog]

Look flat out. A guy brags about making MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year...and how he turned himself into a BILLIONAIRE, but he gets away without owing any taxes? Yet a guy who makes $100,000 a year has to pay taxes? How can people NOT see the problem there? The fact Trump has plans on how to fix the infrastructure and military with tax dollars? Yet he isn't paying taxes? Why is it so hard for people not to see the problem there?

Here is a twitter video of Mark Cuban talking about Trump's comment. I don't like that Cuban supports Hillary, but his comment here is right on.

Stefan Becket on Twitter

There is one glaring piece of information missing here.

Trump's tax return. No one here knows how much he paid or didn't pay in taxes since he has not published his returns. This was all a what if speculation by Hillary

And BTW he does not have to publish them

Hillary flat out made the point of saying he paid no taxes. Trump didn't deny it, and instead took it as a chance to be braggadocios about it, and say, "That makes me smart."

Everyone that has run for President the last 40 years has released their tax returns. He should do it. And saying that being audited is stopping him, has now been put out there as a lie. The IRS said nothing is stopping him. It's ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

Under sniperfire?

How many times do I have to say, I don't support Clinton? Yet I'm not going to blindly follow Trump because of it. According to that article from the New York times, the Clintons paid $3.6 million in taxes last year. That's actually quite a bit considering how much they scammed into their foundation.

 

[Esmeralda]

LMAO, how is she weak, healthwise? Trump appeared to be snorting back sugar-boogers, or had a nasty cold. Hillary didn't cough once, and was poised for 90 straight minutes.

Trump appears to be one brisk jog to the kitchen away from a heart attack.

Have you seen this video?



Psst... it's pneumonia. Causes one to collapse walking, act bug-eyed bizarre at times and and have a cough for 9 months.

The video has nothing to do with the thread topic.

 

[Redfish]

Look flat out. A guy brags about making MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year...and how he turned himself into a BILLIONAIRE, but he gets away without owing any taxes? Yet a guy who makes $100,000 a year has to pay taxes? How can people NOT see the problem there? The fact Trump has plans on how to fix the infrastructure and military with tax dollars? Yet he isn't paying taxes? Why is it so hard for people not to see the problem there?

Here is a twitter video of Mark Cuban talking about Trump's comment. I don't like that Cuban supports Hillary, but his comment here is right on.

Stefan Becket on Twitter

There is one glaring piece of information missing here.

Trump's tax return. No one here knows how much he paid or didn't pay in taxes since he has not published his returns. This was all a what if speculation by Hillary

And BTW he does not have to publish them

Hillary flat out made the point of saying he paid no taxes. Trump didn't deny it, and instead took it as a chance to be braggadocios about it, and say, "That makes me smart."

Everyone that has run for President the last 40 years has released their tax returns. He should do it. And saying that being audited is stopping him, has now been put out there as a lie. The IRS said nothing is stopping him. It's ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

Trump's tax return is hundreds of pages. If he released it the crooked media and crooked Hillary would pull out one page and make up lies about it and Trump would have to waste lots of time correcting those lies.

Everyone knows that this would happen, the dems are desperate for anything to take the attention away from hillary's lies, corruption, and ill health.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Look flat out. A guy brags about making MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year...and how he turned himself into a BILLIONAIRE, but he gets away without owing any taxes? Yet a guy who makes $100,000 a year has to pay taxes? How can people NOT see the problem there? The fact Trump has plans on how to fix the infrastructure and military with tax dollars? Yet he isn't paying taxes? Why is it so hard for people not to see the problem there?

Here is a twitter video of Mark Cuban talking about Trump's comment. I don't like that Cuban supports Hillary, but his comment here is right on.

Stefan Becket on Twitter

There is one glaring piece of information missing here.

Trump's tax return. No one here knows how much he paid or didn't pay in taxes since he has not published his returns. This was all a what if speculation by Hillary

And BTW he does not have to publish them

Hillary flat out made the point of saying he paid no taxes. Trump didn't deny it, and instead took it as a chance to be braggadocios about it, and say, "That makes me smart."

Everyone that has run for President the last 40 years has released their tax returns. He should do it. And saying that being audited is stopping him, has now been put out there as a lie. The IRS said nothing is stopping him. It's ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

There is no legal requirement for him to release his tax returns so he doesn't have to.

Hillary has no idea if he paid taxes or not so it doesn't matter what Trump said in reply as the first statement was meaningless

If he holds a government position his income tax becomes public record... how would trump supporters feel if they found out after he was elected President, that he isn't a Billionaire like he says he is? That he fudges the books to not pay any taxes? Etc.? Wouldn't you like to know these things before the election?

Tax returns even of government officials are private.
They are not public record and there is no requirement that any public official release their tax returns

Tax History Project -- Presidential Tax Returns

Individual income tax returns — including those of public figures — are private information, protected by law from unauthorized disclosure. Indeed, the Internal Revenue Service is barred from releasing any taxpayer information whatsoever, except to authorized agencies and individuals.

 

[AntonToo]

no one expects you to understand. your service motion sucks, by the way.

I see the fish is not only stupid but also quite small.

 

[Redfish]

no one expects you to understand. your service motion sucks, by the way.

I see the fish is not only stupid but also quite small.

just making a comment, why do liberals have no sense of humor? is it that defective gene?

 

[AntonToo]

I am educating idiots like you. Does it bother you that I am a state nationalist in lieu of being a U.S citizen? Tough shit.....

Nationalist comes from the word nation btw...