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Thanks for making this thread!! Good job!
The big debate (not the Kiddy-debate) started at 3 AM my time, so I didn't get to watch it yet, will do that over the weekend. But I watched 7 snippets. Snippets alone don't say enough, but there was one factor that jumped out at me right away: how raucous the audience was. Sure looks to me as if they were far more interested in "bread and circuses" than in hearing a serious debate. We saw this kind of stuff in the GOP debates of 2011 as well.
In the Kiddy-Debate (where there was no audience), Rick Perry quite obviously called Ronald Reagan "Ronald Raven" - it's clear as day to hear. And there's confusion as to whether he characterized his time as TX Gov. as 13 years or 8 years, but I think some on the Left are trying to take his comments about this out of context. That being said, the "Ronald Raven" thing is likely his "oops" moment of 2015, kind of like the moment he had in 2011. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
I did watch the terse exchange between Trump and Megyn Kelly - like him or not, like her or not, gotta credit her for not throwing him a softball question and the question about his words toward women is a valid one. Were Bernie Sanders, for instance, to have tweeted that woman are "pigs" and the like, Righties would be screaming from the rafters that he would be a hater, yadayayada. So, why should Trump get preferential treatment? His non-answer answer, pure pablum, may work for a Trump-friendly GOP audience, but it would have absolutely bombed for a GE debate audience. Also, Trump has this very overbearing way of saying stuff like "you've not been very nice to me", which is rich-man-speak for "once I get into power, I am going to ruin you". Either way, that moment is a made-for-Clinton campaign video and she hardly has to spend a cent making it.
Also, saying stuff like Hillary was forced to come to his wedding doesn't really serve any purpose. That's just Trump puffing his chest up and pounding on it: may work well for a GOP Trump-loving audience but won't help him with a GE audience, should he get that far. And he just may.
The concensus I am reading all over the place is that Kasich came off as the most sane person there, but fell under the radar and that both Jeb! and Scott Walker looked weak. Also Rubio's comment that Hillary has the largest resume of anyone out there.
Once I've watched the entire debate, I will add some more points.
Again, good thread, thanks for making it.
Thanks for making this thread!! Good job!
The big debate (not the Kiddy-debate) started at 3 AM my time, so I didn't get to watch it yet, will do that over the weekend. But I watched 7 snippets. Snippets alone don't say enough, but there was one factor that jumped out at me right away: how raucous the audience was. Sure looks to me as if they were far more interested in "bread and circuses" than in hearing a serious debate. We saw this kind of stuff in the GOP debates of 2011 as well.
In the Kiddy-Debate (where there was no audience), Rick Perry quite obviously called Ronald Reagan "Ronald Raven" - it's clear as day to hear. And there's confusion as to whether he characterized his time as TX Gov. as 13 years or 8 years, but I think some on the Left are trying to take his comments about this out of context. That being said, the "Ronald Raven" thing is likely his "oops" moment of 2015, kind of like the moment he had in 2011. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
I did watch the terse exchange between Trump and Megyn Kelly - like him or not, like her or not, gotta credit her for not throwing him a softball question and the question about his words toward women is a valid one. Were Bernie Sanders, for instance, to have tweeted that woman are "pigs" and the like, Righties would be screaming from the rafters that he would be a hater, yadayayada. So, why should Trump get preferential treatment? His non-answer answer, pure pablum, may work for a Trump-friendly GOP audience, but it would have absolutely bombed for a GE debate audience. Also, Trump has this very overbearing way of saying stuff like "you've not been very nice to me", which is rich-man-speak for "once I get into power, I am going to ruin you". Either way, that moment is a made-for-Clinton campaign video and she hardly has to spend a cent making it.
Also, saying stuff like Hillary was forced to come to his wedding doesn't really serve any purpose. That's just Trump puffing his chest up and pounding on it: may work well for a GOP Trump-loving audience but won't help him with a GE audience, should he get that far. And he just may.
The concensus I am reading all over the place is that Kasich came off as the most sane person there, but fell under the radar and that both Jeb! and Scott Walker looked weak. Also Rubio's comment that Hillary has the largest resume of anyone out there.
Once I've watched the entire debate, I will add some more points.
Again, good thread, thanks for making it.
