Blues Man
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I'm not a fatalist I do not think anything is predetermined. In fact I am just the opposite as I think events are totally random and chaotic.No. A realist isn't a fatalist. A realist does not believe that life is without meaning. A realists accepts situations as they are and deals with them. Whereas a fatalist believes nothing matters (i.e. life is without meaning).I know.You have a fatalistic attitude, my friend.As i said.Yep, you're a nihilist alright.No not reallyAccording to you, you don’t have one, right?That's your meaning.Sure there is... to become the best version of yourself and to pass it on. There's your meaning.What do you mean life has meaning? What is the meaning? What is our purpose? I think we could master the universe if we weren’t so primitive. Still warring with each other rather than working as one planet to get to mars and mine the meteor belt. Then build a ship the size of a planet that can also survive interstellar travel. Then we might have a purpose.You can't be an agnostic atheist.
I would say you are an agnostic secularist
- Atheist - There is no god.
- Nihilistic - Life has no meaning.
- Secular - Lack of religion.
- Agnostic - There may or may not be a god, but open to know more.
- Gnostic - Belief that the God (or gods) we worship are in fact evil tricksters and that a secret knowledge is preventing us from the true God.
- Animistic - Belief that all things contain spirits.
- Deist - There is a God who created life, but just watches and does not intervene.
- Theist - Belief in a higher power and at least one god.
- Polytheist - Belief in more than one god.
- Monotheist -believing in a single God - ie. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
- Apostate - A person who leaves a religion.
- Misotheist - A person that hates God or the Gods.
- Dustheism - Belief that God or the Gods are not totally good.
- Macioism - Belief that God is a Demiurge and wrathful, malicious evil creator. Similar to Gnostic.
- Euthesim - Belief in a totally good God.
If we stay on this Rock eventually we will die of some natural cause. The planet will still have other creatures who survive this mass global extinction but even they too will die when the water goes or the sun burns out. If we go with the planet, what was our purpose?
We are a way for the universe to know itself. Amazing.
There is no purpose to life.
And if the universe is trying to know itself through humans it could do better since we only have an understanding of about 5% of it.
Simply put, evolution is when anything moves from a less advanced state to a more advanced state; a less complex state to a more complex state. Since the beginning of time matter has evolved and will continue to do so. Your purpose, your meaning in life is to evolve in consciousness and pass it on to the next generation.
You have no business telling my what mine is.
But according to Darwin the meaning of life is to pass down functional advantage to the next generation.
I know that what I do here while I'm alive will have little effect in the grand scheme of things.
And again that's Darwin and he has no more right to tell me what my purpose is than you do.
The human race has been here for but a blink in cosmological time and less than a minute in the earth's geological time.
We will be gone in but another few blinks of time as far as the cosmos is concerned.
Nothing anyone has ever done or will ever do will matter.
Better a realist than some naive idealistic Pollyanna
realist: a person who accepts a situation as it is and is prepared to deal with it accordingly.
fatalist: a person who believes all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.
nihilist: a person who believes that life is meaningless.
And I can be a realist and a nihilist as the 2 are not mutually exclusive.
A realist is not able to say "everything is an illusion". Something has to produce this illusion. Cogito ergo sum.
In fact I do accept things the way they and deal with the way things are on a daily basis but in the really big picture I can also accept that those same things are meaningless
It's meaningless to say things are meaningless. Nothing what's real is unimportant. A minimal cause is able to produce a maximal effect. Example: A mutation of a virus starts a pandemic.
Where did I ever use the word "illusion"?
You used the word "nihilist" and a nihilist thinks everything is an illusion - that's why it is meaningless what we think and do.
And all that man does, feels, thinks or believes in the cosmic scope is meaningless.
So you are a nihilist - but not a realist. To be a realist excludes it to be a nihilist.
No a nihilist thinks life is meaningless.
Definition of NIHILISM
a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless; a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
You'll notice in the definition there is nothing about nihilism thinking life is an illusion.
So yes I can think life is meaningless and therefore be a nihilist and I can also be a realist and accept things the way they are
Nihilism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
www.iep.utm.edu
It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticismthat condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.
The impulse to destroy is your interpretation.
I have no impulse to destroy anything. I do not condemn existence I just know that it the cosmic scope of things our lives are meaningless.
And yes I am an extreme cynic and pessimist. I would rather expect something bad to happen and be ready for it ( realist) than expect only good things to happen and then be sucker punched by the bad shit.
Good fortune is nothing but random luck just like tragedy is nothing but random bad luck.
There is no meaning in the good or bad that happens to anyone.
Not my interpretation, bro. Straight out of the link I provided.
FYI, a cynic and pessimist is not a realist.
Of course they can be realists.
Expecting the worst as a pessimist does fits right in with realism.
Cynicism is a school of thought that one should live in virtue and reject desires for wealth power and fame.
Now being cynical is not in any way opposed to being realistic either as there has never been a being as deceitful and treacherous as the humans that we no of so nothing humans do can be accepted at face value. That is the epitome of realism
If you expect the worst, you're far more likely to end up getting the worst. ATTITUDE is one of the most important things in life, that is why successful people are usually people who are positive and don't hold themselves back with negative thoughts and a limiting mindset.
As ding said, it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.
The reality is that there is good AND bad in life. There is BOTH. But it's possible to live life in a way that brings about more GOOD. So why go through life expecting the worst, when you can just accept the reality that there is both good and bad, but we can make things so much better if we simply do things the right way.
That said, I want to repeat something I said to LA RAM earlier on the thread. Well, I'll just link to the post, here it is: Open Minded Agnostic Atheist
I realize of course that you're not a believer, so you'll probably just dismiss that post I just linked to. But I wanted to bring up that point again because when you learn that there is more to life than just this current existence in this corrupted world, everything makes so much more sense, and you can live life with true HOPE and understanding that truth, meaning and a true GOOD exists. Those things have a source, the same source of the physical world and all of existence. The Creator, the living God, who is infinitely more than just an impersonal "force."
There are no words that adequately express how amazing it is to finally see and believe, and live your life in a way that has true meaning, purpose, faith, love and HOPE!
There's so much more to be said here, but I could go on and on, so I'll refrain, haha! I'll leave it at this. Coming to Christ was the best decision I ever made, by far. It doesn't just change your life, you literally become a new creation and you have a whole new life. One that is infinitely better than life apart from God. In just about every way.
That's new age bullshit.
And there is nothing to learn about some afterlife because there is no afterlife.
What is? I already acknowledged that you wouldn't believe the latter part of my post, so I never expected you to believe that. But point out anything I said in the first 3 paragraphs that is false. And back yourself up. Saying something is bs is not an argument.
The very first line is new age bull.
Just because a person always prepares for the worst in no way indicates a poor attitude. In fact I'll say it's the more rational and mature thing to do.
It's better to be prepared for the worst that way you can be surprised when things go perfectly. It doesn't work very well the other way around.
You're slightly changing what I said. I wasn't talking about "preparing" for the worst. Of course it's good to be prepared for anything. My exact words were, "If you expect the worst, you're far more likely to end up getting the worst." - In other words, if you go through life with a negative attitude always expecting bad things to happen, then they are more likely to happen. That is not just a "New Age" thing, the bible clearly teaches that our thoughts are very important, because our actions start with what is inside our mind/heart.
But you can't just dismiss that as a spiritual thing, because it is simply true, it's the way life works. There are certain things people learn through experience, going through different experiences and trials in life. We learn what works and what doesn't work. I think it's safe to say that it's a universal truth that our actions are preceded by our thoughts.
So getting back to what I actually said, (as opposed to what you changed it to) I simply said that if we always expect the worse, we are more likely to end up getting what we expect. Again, this is not just a "spiritual" thing, there are logical common sense reasons why this is the case.
For example, if you have a skill or talent that you can make a career out of, but you have a negative attitude and you tell yourself, "I will never be able to get a job as a ______" (whatever the case may be) and always expect the worst to happen, then you're probably not going to put yourself out there confidently and go for it. That "expecting the worst" attitude prevents you from doing certain things that you otherwise would do, if you had a positive attitude.
I really don't see how that can be denied.
As I said earlier (which you did not address), there is good and bad in this life. There is BOTH. Of course we are supposed to be aware and awake in regard to the fact that there is bad in this world, and the bible clearly states that. But it also says to control our thoughts and think about GOOD things.
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is worthy of respect, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if something is excellent or praiseworthy, think about these things.-Philippians 4:8
Still don't buy it.
What I expect and what actually happens are in no way related. There is no cause and effect at work.
My mere thoughts cannot influence the happenings of the world.