People are poor because (not what the Leftists tell you).

[JoeB131]

I have it MUCH better than my grandparents did. Sorry you don't.

Again, I'm sure you are very proud of that promotion to Head Possum Catcher...

You bring up race again. Nobody mentioned anything about "darkies" except you. Chip on your shoulder much?

Ray thinks because he doesn't outright say the N-word, no one notices.

 

[JustAGuy1]

So tell me Joe, how good was it in our parents time? How often did you go to fast food compared to people today? To any restaurant? To the movies? Where did you go on vacation? What was your entertainment back then and how much did they spend on it? How old was your vehicle, and how many vehicles in your household?

Okay-

We did a weekly family resturant thing when I was growing up... and there were five kids, so that wasn't cheap. At least in the 60's. In the 70's, when Tricky Dick's economy started kicking in with double digit inflation, not so much.

Movies- Dad took us to the movies occassionally. Not like we had a lot of options because this was the 70's and movie makers realized they could show tits now and say "Fuck".

Vacations were kind of awesome, because my dad had this lake property back in Wisconsin. (I still own 20% of it.) Now, working class people couldn't afford a cabin up there... All our neighbors are rich... and us.

Cars- My Dad had four cars I remember between when I was old enough to remember such things and his death in 1981. Again, we lived in Chicago, which had great public transit. I didn't even need a car personally until I was 24.

Hell, today, even our poor and homeless have cell phones for crying out loud. We spend money on all kinds of non-necessary crap that nobody dreamed of years ago: newest video game systems, cable or satellite television, satellite radio, internet, cell phones for every member of your household, with unlimited call, text and data time........

THe "nonsense" crap aren't the key things to indicate wealth. I pay $94.00 a month for my phone right now... Unlimited text and data. It's not even 2% of my monthly budget.

As I posted earlier (or perhaps another thread) the average home today is three times the size it was of those homes in the 1950's. Yes, in some ways we had it better back then, and in some ways much worse. But all and all, would you rather be living back in the 60's today, or living like you do now?

Depends on what you are measuring... if you are talking about the number of TV channels.. Um, yeah. Today. If you are talking about whether or not a major illness will wipe you out financially.. then. Both of my parents died of cancer. Dad's good union plan took care of them. I couldn't even get Cigna to fix my fucking knee without a fight.

The Japanese and Germans have more solidarity with their people and workers than we do. Where are all those American made products in our stores today? Oh, that's right, not many of them. Our stores are loaded with imported crap made in third world countries. You people want to live in Walmart and then come home and complain there are no good paying jobs around, and you can't figure it out yet.

Oh, I've figured it out just fine. YOu dumbfucks blame the Chinese and the Vietnamese instead of the greedy-ass white assholes in the corner offices who opened up factories intentionally JUST TO FUCK WITH YOU. Because at the end of the day, you guys are always willing to blame the darkies.

You and I are in the widget business. My widgets are made in Vietnam and with shipping, I can sell them for six dollars a piece. Your widgets are made here, in a union shop, that forces you to overpay workers, and provide benefits that cost twice as much as your payroll. You can only afford to sell your widgets at thirteen dollars each. How long do you suppose you can stay in business against me?

Probably pretty well... you've obviously never done purchasing (which was my career for 20 years) or you wouldn't say anything so stupid.

Purchasing is a triad- Cost, Quality and Service. Your Vietnamese factory maybe wins on cost, and frankly, you can take away every right an American Worker has, and still not win there. (Don't worry, the GOP is working on that!) But where the union shop wins is in quality and service. If I need parts right now, and I need to know they are going to work, I go local.

Worked for a genius company that tried what you suggest.. they had to triple the quality department because the shit from Malaysia never worked right.

I explained my situation several times, but it's hard to get through thick heads, especially those who have severe mental disabilities like you do. The government stops me from accepting 98% of the jobs, but again, you have the memory of an alzheimer's patient. You gave me one job, and I'm very familiar with the company. Yeah, they give you access to medial care if you could afford it. But the low wages they pay make that a real challenge. In fact one of our customers uses their service. That's why they are calling us all the time; because their drivers refuse to take some stops because the pay is so low because they get paid per stop, not per hour.

Translation- You are happy in your abusive, co-dependent relationship and frankly, would rather blame Obama and the government for your misfortunes rather than improve you life. WE GOT THAT. It's just kind of, pathetic. I help people, all the time, who've been dealt worse hands than you have. But what they have that you lack is the motivation to better your situation.

30 years ago this was a great, quiet and safe neighborhood. Bet you can't guess how it got to the way it is today.

Yup, the One Percenters threw you away faster than Trump throws away Trophy Wives when they get fat.

Joe is my age, and I know he understands what life was like for us as children. I grew up in a nice middle-class suburb. However today, my father laughs when he tells us he spends more money on his cell phone every month than he paid for the mortgage on our home he built.

Does he understand the concept of inflation ?

You haven't seen or touched any real "tits" that you haven't paid for for decades Joe.

 

[DBA]

Please explain. I live in a right to work state, which is great, because industries come here and will pay good money to those that work hard. Are you saying right to work states are racist in their employment practices?

Still enjoying that promotion to Head Possum Catcher, are you?

Sure that's me. I mean, all of us educated folks who live in blue states do that kind of work.

Enough already with the "people in Southern states are dumb rednecks" routine. Based on your voluntarily salary admission, both by wife and I each make a whole lot more money than you(multitudes). We live in a blue, right to work state with a lower cost of living. Guess what, our standard of living is likely considerably higher than yours. That is on you. You choose to live in a unionized red state. That's on you. You have a chip on your shoulder. That is also on you.

 

[DBA]

Ray thinks because he doesn't outright say the N-word, no one notices.

No, you just think that anyone that doesn't agree with your liberal/Socialists, "woe is me" fanaticism must be a racist. That is the way your side rolls.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Please explain. I live in a right to work state, which is great, because industries come here and will pay good money to those that work hard. Are you saying right to work states are racist in their employment practices?

Still enjoying that promotion to Head Possum Catcher, are you?

Sure that's me. I mean, all of us educated folks who live in blue states do that kind of work.

Enough already with the "people in Southern states are dumb rednecks" routine. Based on your voluntarily salary admission, both by wife and I each make a whole lot more money than you(multitudes). We live in a blue, right to work state with a lower cost of living. Guess what, our standard of living is likely considerably higher than yours. That is on you. You choose to live in a unionized red state. That's on you. You have a chip on your shoulder. That is also on you.

Exactly. I watch HGTV a lot, and astonished at the prices of housing in those blue states. For what they pay 800K for there, you can buy for under 300K here. It's so bad in California, that beside all the homeless, they want to institute rent control on landlords, because it costs so much to get an apartment there, and people can't afford it.

So they can't afford a home there, and they can't afford rent there. Why is it not like that in red states?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Okay-

We did a weekly family resturant thing when I was growing up... and there were five kids, so that wasn't cheap. At least in the 60's. In the 70's, when Tricky Dick's economy started kicking in with double digit inflation, not so much.

Movies- Dad took us to the movies occassionally. Not like we had a lot of options because this was the 70's and movie makers realized they could show tits now and say "Fuck".

Vacations were kind of awesome, because my dad had this lake property back in Wisconsin. (I still own 20% of it.) Now, working class people couldn't afford a cabin up there... All our neighbors are rich... and us.

Cars- My Dad had four cars I remember between when I was old enough to remember such things and his death in 1981. Again, we lived in Chicago, which had great public transit. I didn't even need a car personally until I was 24.

Well let me tell you what it was without public transit. Most homes only had one car, for mom, dad, and when the kids learned to drive. Nobody owned a car until their early 20's unless it was a real junker. And yes, you went to movies occasionally. It's not like pushing some buttons on your remote and getting 12 movies a month.

If you went to dine out once a week, you were extremely lucky. Most never went out to eat, or perhaps McDonald's twice a year. Vacation? Nobody back then were taking Caribbean cruises or going to Hawaii. They did like you and I did, and that was hit a camp site. We had a trailer at Lake Chautauqua in New York. It was a cheap vacation, and yes, we always took our own food. My father and his three brothers pitched in to buy it.

THe "nonsense" crap aren't the key things to indicate wealth. I pay $94.00 a month for my phone right now... Unlimited text and data. It's not even 2% of my monthly budget.

2%? So your monthly budget is $4,700 a month?

Depends on what you are measuring... if you are talking about the number of TV channels.. Um, yeah. Today. If you are talking about whether or not a major illness will wipe you out financially.. then. Both of my parents died of cancer. Dad's good union plan took care of them. I couldn't even get Cigna to fix my fucking knee without a fight.

I was measuring square footage of a home.

Oh, I've figured it out just fine. YOu dumbfucks blame the Chinese and the Vietnamese instead of the greedy-ass white assholes in the corner offices who opened up factories intentionally JUST TO FUCK WITH YOU. Because at the end of the day, you guys are always willing to blame the darkies.

As I always have, I blame the American consumer. If we don't buy our own much more expensive products, how do you expect suppliers to pay good wages and benefits to workers?

Probably pretty well... you've obviously never done purchasing (which was my career for 20 years) or you wouldn't say anything so stupid.

Purchasing is a triad- Cost, Quality and Service. Your Vietnamese factory maybe wins on cost, and frankly, you can take away every right an American Worker has, and still not win there. (Don't worry, the GOP is working on that!) But where the union shop wins is in quality and service. If I need parts right now, and I need to know they are going to work, I go local.

Worked for a genius company that tried what you suggest.. they had to triple the quality department because the shit from Malaysia never worked right.

With some items it works that way, with much of it, it doesn't. The American consumers are not focused on quality with most of their items, they are focused on price. It's better to buy a 50' set of Christmas lights from China for four bucks and have it last a year or two, than buy the same American made lights for eighteen bucks.

Translation- You are happy in your abusive, co-dependent relationship and frankly, would rather blame Obama and the government for your misfortunes rather than improve you life. WE GOT THAT. It's just kind of, pathetic. I help people, all the time, who've been dealt worse hands than you have. But what they have that you lack is the motivation to better your situation.

I have plenty of motivation, but motivation doesn't do any good in this line of work with massive restrictions. In fact, I may be having to retire from this line of work totally thanks to more government harassment and red tape. I'll know next week probably. However if not for DumBama and the other commies, my job would have been just fine as I told you a million times. But you can't get that through that thick head of yours.

Yup, the One Percenters threw you away faster than Trump throws away Trophy Wives when they get fat.

If that's so, why are there so many other great places to live around here?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray thinks because he doesn't outright say the N-word, no one notices.

No, you just think that anyone that doesn't agree with your liberal/Socialists, "woe is me" fanaticism must be a racist. That is the way your side rolls.

Joe sees race behind every door, in every closet, and on every street corner. When it comes to race, he's the left times ten.

 

[JoeB131]

Enough already with the "people in Southern states are dumb rednecks" routine. Based on your voluntarily salary admission, both by wife and I each make a whole lot more money than you(multitudes). We live in a blue, right to work state with a lower cost of living. Guess what, our standard of living is likely considerably higher than yours. That is on you. You choose to live in a unionized red state. That's on you. You have a chip on your shoulder. That is also on you.

Well, dun, der Cleetus, didn't mean to hurt you feelings by denigrating your proud history of Possum Catching.

No, you just think that anyone that doesn't agree with your liberal/Socialists, "woe is me" fanaticism must be a racist. That is the way your side rolls.

No, I've had tons of discussions with Ray... he's about as racist as they get... He just rationalizes it by blaming the "gummit".

 

[JoeB131]

Well let me tell you what it was without public transit. Most homes only had one car, for mom, dad, and when the kids learned to drive. Nobody owned a car until their early 20's unless it was a real junker. And yes, you went to movies occasionally. It's not like pushing some buttons on your remote and getting 12 movies a month.

Again, you confuse a few creature comforts with economic security...

I was measuring square footage of a home.

A meaningless metric... I use a better one- access to quality health care. Job Security. The things we had when we were in unions and had jobs for life.

As I always have, I blame the American consumer. If we don't buy our own much more expensive products, how do you expect suppliers to pay good wages and benefits to workers?

Of course you do. But the real problem are the One Percenters, not the consumer who often doesn't have a choice or is particularly informed. We need to put the flag of the country things are made in in big labels... then we see how things are sold.

I have plenty of motivation, but motivation doesn't do any good in this line of work with massive restrictions. In fact, I may be having to retire from this line of work totally thanks to more government harassment and red tape. I'll know next week probably. However if not for DumBama and the other commies, my job would have been just fine as I told you a million times. But you can't get that through that thick head of yours.

So wait, you are going to be forced out of your line of work, and it's Obama's fault, even though he's been gone for three years now.

NO, Ray, you are totally not racist.

You're just a self-pitying white trash loser who refuses to take responsibility for his life.

If that's so, why are there so many other great places to live around here?

Yet, you don't live in them. You live in a hovel, listening to your police scanner, muttering about the Darkies while your Section 8 Neighbors party all night.

 

[rightwinger]

Then why should the rest of us be that concerned with businesses?

Who said you had to be concerned?

Again, says the guy who works for a bottom feeder trucking company that doesn't provide health insurance.

My job was fine until you Communists got power. That's what screwed me and millions like me. But no matter how many times I have to repeat this to you, I still see you sitting in the corner.

Your job was fine until they got you to abandon unions
Do You think the Teamsters would allow your employer not to give health insurance?

It is quite astounding in this day and age that anyone would be arguing that we should bring back Unions in any state. Aside from being crooked, they are driving companies out of business.

If paying fair wages drives companies out of business, they deserve to be out of business

Unions make sure workers get fair wages

 

[rightwinger]

One can use the wayback machine to find the exact same stance during our gilded age Ray

oh and, fwiw, i was a teamster before i was a spark ,in fact worked a number of trucking outfits , union & non union.

the difference was phenomenal, and big box stores KNOW it

I won't deny unions once had a worth in this country, but so did the horseshoe maker and ice man.

Unions might still be okay today if the unions of the past didn't get so greedy. And being in the transportation industry, I have dozens and dozens of union stories, some unbelievable, and some just plain ridiculous.

But since you brought up trucking, years ago (when more unions were around) we were waiting to get into the dock. I started talking with a driver who belonged to a union company. He was thrilled that another last minute pickup came in that he didn't take. The union rules were that any OT offered must go to the most senior drivers first, and then down the line if they don't want the pickup.

So what the union demanded is they offer it to this guy first, even though the pickup was clear across the other side of town. It was cheaper to have the driver in the area make the pickup, and have to pay the driver I was talking to as well. So he got paid for nothing.

How can a company stay in business against any non-union company like ours, where my dispatcher would simply do what they did, and call a driver on the other side of town? There is no way to compete like that. I guess that's why they sold the company.

You keep brining up your stories, Ray, but the statistics and the facts don't bear out any of them. You don't seem to have any problem at all with the hundreds of companies which have shut down because of Trump's steel tariff's and will quickly deny that right wing policies have put you where you are, but you are quick to blame the unions for loss of jobs.

Corporations are now paying the same level of wages as a percentage of costs as they were paying in the Guilded Age - before the rise of unions. Corporate profits are at record highs and going every higher. You're right. It was greed that killed the unions but it wasn't union greed, it was corporate greed.

As for union corruption, that's a legal matter, not a union matter. Why was this allowed to happen? Did corporate interests work with organized crimes because the fastest way to discredit unions was to make them look like greedy criminals? I say this because the USA is the only first world country where the union movement was corrupted by organized crime. For this to happen, someone has to turn a blind eye, in a very big way?

When business and corporate interests took over Washinton in the wake of the Reagan election, the full media onslaught was to portray all unions as illegal, and corrupt, when in fact unions like the Teamsters were completely corrupted, but most unions, including teachers' unions, were not.



Countries where the unions are respected and strong, are maintaining higher level of worker wages, and have a growing middle class.

I didn't bring up union corruption--you did. So apparently that's on your mind.

Yes, I do blame unions based on my vast number of experiences with them. We have lost dozens of customers because of unions throughout the years. They either moved out of state or out of the country to get away from them.

What jobs were lost in the steel industry? I live in a steel town, our steel mills have never been better.

Republic Steel’s Lorain mill to start production within months

As for Reagan, he only went after one group of union workers. That was it. The union support stopped when people seen their jobs leaving the US for other countries. Reagan had nothing to do with that.

You would have done much better in life if you were a Teamster

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

One can use the wayback machine to find the exact same stance during our gilded age Ray

oh and, fwiw, i was a teamster before i was a spark ,in fact worked a number of trucking outfits , union & non union.

the difference was phenomenal, and big box stores KNOW it

I won't deny unions once had a worth in this country, but so did the horseshoe maker and ice man.

Unions might still be okay today if the unions of the past didn't get so greedy. And being in the transportation industry, I have dozens and dozens of union stories, some unbelievable, and some just plain ridiculous.

But since you brought up trucking, years ago (when more unions were around) we were waiting to get into the dock. I started talking with a driver who belonged to a union company. He was thrilled that another last minute pickup came in that he didn't take. The union rules were that any OT offered must go to the most senior drivers first, and then down the line if they don't want the pickup.

So what the union demanded is they offer it to this guy first, even though the pickup was clear across the other side of town. It was cheaper to have the driver in the area make the pickup, and have to pay the driver I was talking to as well. So he got paid for nothing.

How can a company stay in business against any non-union company like ours, where my dispatcher would simply do what they did, and call a driver on the other side of town? There is no way to compete like that. I guess that's why they sold the company.

You keep brining up your stories, Ray, but the statistics and the facts don't bear out any of them. You don't seem to have any problem at all with the hundreds of companies which have shut down because of Trump's steel tariff's and will quickly deny that right wing policies have put you where you are, but you are quick to blame the unions for loss of jobs.

Corporations are now paying the same level of wages as a percentage of costs as they were paying in the Guilded Age - before the rise of unions. Corporate profits are at record highs and going every higher. You're right. It was greed that killed the unions but it wasn't union greed, it was corporate greed.

As for union corruption, that's a legal matter, not a union matter. Why was this allowed to happen? Did corporate interests work with organized crimes because the fastest way to discredit unions was to make them look like greedy criminals? I say this because the USA is the only first world country where the union movement was corrupted by organized crime. For this to happen, someone has to turn a blind eye, in a very big way?

When business and corporate interests took over Washinton in the wake of the Reagan election, the full media onslaught was to portray all unions as illegal, and corrupt, when in fact unions like the Teamsters were completely corrupted, but most unions, including teachers' unions, were not.



Countries where the unions are respected and strong, are maintaining higher level of worker wages, and have a growing middle class.

I didn't bring up union corruption--you did. So apparently that's on your mind.

Yes, I do blame unions based on my vast number of experiences with them. We have lost dozens of customers because of unions throughout the years. They either moved out of state or out of the country to get away from them.

What jobs were lost in the steel industry? I live in a steel town, our steel mills have never been better.

Republic Steel’s Lorain mill to start production within months

As for Reagan, he only went after one group of union workers. That was it. The union support stopped when people seen their jobs leaving the US for other countries. Reagan had nothing to do with that.

You would have done much better in life if you were a Teamster

I would have done much better by a union closing up the company I worked for???

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then why should the rest of us be that concerned with businesses?

Who said you had to be concerned?

Again, says the guy who works for a bottom feeder trucking company that doesn't provide health insurance.

My job was fine until you Communists got power. That's what screwed me and millions like me. But no matter how many times I have to repeat this to you, I still see you sitting in the corner.

Your job was fine until they got you to abandon unions
Do You think the Teamsters would allow your employer not to give health insurance?

It is quite astounding in this day and age that anyone would be arguing that we should bring back Unions in any state. Aside from being crooked, they are driving companies out of business.

If paying fair wages drives companies out of business, they deserve to be out of business

Unions make sure workers get fair wages

Except for the fact the word "fair" is ambiguous. What I might consider fair, you might consider not fair. Let's face it, how many people can you ask if they make enough money, they would say "yes I do?" I've known plenty of people that belonged to a union that complained they didn't make enough money.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Again, you confuse a few creature comforts with economic security...

No, I'm pointing out the obvious, and that is we spend much, much more money today than our parents did when we were kids, and that's at least partly responsible why people think they are not getting paid enough. My cousin came by two weeks ago to help me with an electrical problem. He said between him and his family, he was paying $400.00 a month just for his cell phone plan. Years ago, nobody would have dreamed of spending that kind of money for a convenience and entertainment. My cousin is far from alone. I've had other people tell me similar stories.

A meaningless metric... I use a better one- access to quality health care. Job Security. The things we had when we were in unions and had jobs for life.

How do you have a job for life when your union closes down the company you work for?

Of course you do. But the real problem are the One Percenters, not the consumer who often doesn't have a choice or is particularly informed. We need to put the flag of the country things are made in in big labels... then we see how things are sold.

I couldn't agree with you more on the labeling, but I don't know if it would make that much of a difference. People who really care can look at the packaging to see where their products are made. You may need reading glasses, but it can be done. The 1% compete against each other. They cater to customer demands. Why do you think Walmart is number one today, because they carry more expensive American made products?

So wait, you are going to be forced out of your line of work, and it's Obama's fault, even though he's been gone for three years now.

NO, Ray, you are totally not racist.

You're just a self-pitying white trash loser who refuses to take responsibility for his life.

No, the loss of my healthcare was his fault. This is the fault of more Fn bureaucrats.

Yet, you don't live in them. You live in a hovel, listening to your police scanner, muttering about the Darkies while your Section 8 Neighbors party all night.

No, I don't live there. Too expensive for me. Merely pointing out your 1% theory is extremely flawed. It's a cheap excuse to cover the real problem. And BTW, who is it that put section 8 people over here, the 1%? Guess again. It's your precious federal government with their repeatedly failed social engineering theory.

 

[Blues Man]

None of this is rocket science.

And I have said repeatedly that a lot of people don't want anything but a shit job so there will always be plenty of people to fill the low level jobs

There will always be the people who bitch and moan about their job but will never do anything about it and you want to give them government assistance

Agree, if you own a business that needs the taxpayers to support your workers, why should we care if you go out of business?

Big box stores have monopolized coast to coast, offering no more than sh*t jobs w/ sh*t pay.

The lions share of their employees are subsidized , (read- OUR TAX $$$'s) because of this phenomenon that DID NOT EXIST a generation ago

So guess what, the taxpayer (read-me&you) now have a dog in the fight

NOW we can make demands of said business's

~S~

The only thing that tells us is that it is far too easy to suck on the government tit

 

[rightwinger]

One can use the wayback machine to find the exact same stance during our gilded age Ray

oh and, fwiw, i was a teamster before i was a spark ,in fact worked a number of trucking outfits , union & non union.

the difference was phenomenal, and big box stores KNOW it

I won't deny unions once had a worth in this country, but so did the horseshoe maker and ice man.

Unions might still be okay today if the unions of the past didn't get so greedy. And being in the transportation industry, I have dozens and dozens of union stories, some unbelievable, and some just plain ridiculous.

But since you brought up trucking, years ago (when more unions were around) we were waiting to get into the dock. I started talking with a driver who belonged to a union company. He was thrilled that another last minute pickup came in that he didn't take. The union rules were that any OT offered must go to the most senior drivers first, and then down the line if they don't want the pickup.

So what the union demanded is they offer it to this guy first, even though the pickup was clear across the other side of town. It was cheaper to have the driver in the area make the pickup, and have to pay the driver I was talking to as well. So he got paid for nothing.

How can a company stay in business against any non-union company like ours, where my dispatcher would simply do what they did, and call a driver on the other side of town? There is no way to compete like that. I guess that's why they sold the company.

You keep brining up your stories, Ray, but the statistics and the facts don't bear out any of them. You don't seem to have any problem at all with the hundreds of companies which have shut down because of Trump's steel tariff's and will quickly deny that right wing policies have put you where you are, but you are quick to blame the unions for loss of jobs.

Corporations are now paying the same level of wages as a percentage of costs as they were paying in the Guilded Age - before the rise of unions. Corporate profits are at record highs and going every higher. You're right. It was greed that killed the unions but it wasn't union greed, it was corporate greed.

As for union corruption, that's a legal matter, not a union matter. Why was this allowed to happen? Did corporate interests work with organized crimes because the fastest way to discredit unions was to make them look like greedy criminals? I say this because the USA is the only first world country where the union movement was corrupted by organized crime. For this to happen, someone has to turn a blind eye, in a very big way?

When business and corporate interests took over Washinton in the wake of the Reagan election, the full media onslaught was to portray all unions as illegal, and corrupt, when in fact unions like the Teamsters were completely corrupted, but most unions, including teachers' unions, were not.



Countries where the unions are respected and strong, are maintaining higher level of worker wages, and have a growing middle class.

I didn't bring up union corruption--you did. So apparently that's on your mind.

Yes, I do blame unions based on my vast number of experiences with them. We have lost dozens of customers because of unions throughout the years. They either moved out of state or out of the country to get away from them.

What jobs were lost in the steel industry? I live in a steel town, our steel mills have never been better.

Republic Steel’s Lorain mill to start production within months

As for Reagan, he only went after one group of union workers. That was it. The union support stopped when people seen their jobs leaving the US for other countries. Reagan had nothing to do with that.

You would have done much better in life if you were a Teamster

I would have done much better by a union closing up the company I worked for???

Yes......we know your company has to pay low wages and benefits to stay in business

Teamsters didn’t buy that shit and demanded profit statements in return for concessions

You are on your own and suffer because of it

 

[rightwinger]

Then why should the rest of us be that concerned with businesses?

Who said you had to be concerned?

Again, says the guy who works for a bottom feeder trucking company that doesn't provide health insurance.

My job was fine until you Communists got power. That's what screwed me and millions like me. But no matter how many times I have to repeat this to you, I still see you sitting in the corner.

Your job was fine until they got you to abandon unions
Do You think the Teamsters would allow your employer not to give health insurance?

It is quite astounding in this day and age that anyone would be arguing that we should bring back Unions in any state. Aside from being crooked, they are driving companies out of business.

If paying fair wages drives companies out of business, they deserve to be out of business

Unions make sure workers get fair wages

Except for the fact the word "fair" is ambiguous. What I might consider fair, you might consider not fair. Let's face it, how many people can you ask if they make enough money, they would say "yes I do?" I've known plenty of people that belonged to a union that complained they didn't make enough money.

Well let’s look at what is “fair” for American workers

Things like being able to buy a home, a car, support your family, not worry if you get sick, be able to retire someday

Things we used to call the American Dream. That dream is disappearing

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Who said you had to be concerned?

My job was fine until you Communists got power. That's what screwed me and millions like me. But no matter how many times I have to repeat this to you, I still see you sitting in the corner.

Your job was fine until they got you to abandon unions
Do You think the Teamsters would allow your employer not to give health insurance?

It is quite astounding in this day and age that anyone would be arguing that we should bring back Unions in any state. Aside from being crooked, they are driving companies out of business.

If paying fair wages drives companies out of business, they deserve to be out of business

Unions make sure workers get fair wages

Except for the fact the word "fair" is ambiguous. What I might consider fair, you might consider not fair. Let's face it, how many people can you ask if they make enough money, they would say "yes I do?" I've known plenty of people that belonged to a union that complained they didn't make enough money.

Well let’s look at what is “fair” for American workers

Things like being able to buy a home, a car, support your family, not worry if you get sick, be able to retire someday

Things we used to call the American Dream. That dream is disappearing

Yes it is, but unions can't save that. There is a reason companies and even employees got rid of their unions. Trust me, our company lost business because of unions. I delivered crates to companies that were moving out of state or out of the country because of unions.

If a company can't stay competitive because they are paying a "fair wage" what do you want them to do outside of closing up? They have to move to get away from them. They have no choice.

 

[danielpalos]

Yet, wealth has doubled with Tax Cut economics for the Richest.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Three Simple Rules Poor Teens Should Follow to Join the Middle Class

It has nothing to do with oppression, race, religion, etc.

Follow three simple rules and you will not be poor:

#1) Graduate High School

#2) Get a job

#3) Don't become a single parent.

This is from the LEFT leaning Brookings Institute. One way to pay down debt and improve our budget is to reduce entitlements such as welfare and this is a start.

Today, more than 40% of American children, including more than 70% of black children and 50% of Hispanic children, are born outside marriage.

The above is ridiculous. I would even consider paying young women NOT to have kids until marriage or they can afford it to make sure they don't get on welfare and continue this cycle.

I welcome all your thoughts. Even the crazy Leftist ones.

Your average millionaire in this country is a married couple in their late 50s
All have this common thread:
- They own the same home they raised their children and retired to.
-They stayed married. Divorce is a disaster on finances
-Worked basically the same job and weren't job hoppers
- Contributed weekly to a 401-k and never touched it.
-Drove the same car for 15 years
- Contributed to an IRA
- Had 6 months living expenses saved up for lifes rough patches.
- Weren't lottery players or excessive gamblers
- Knew how to have fun without spending a lot

Follow most of these rules and it will be on auto pilot