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You're right. Any means necessary must be taken to remove Trump. Hell all of this wouldn't even be happening if ANY other republican had won the election. Putin and ISIS see Trump as a pawn and they're right. That's dangerous for America.I can't vote. There is not option for:
Lol you stupid gullible fools are grasping at straws!
A couple of college professors that nobody has ever heard of, who have already admitted that there's no evidence of any chicanery.What independent experts ?
A couple of college professors that nobody has ever heard of, who have already admitted that there's no evidence of any chicanery.What independent experts ?
Not a single paper ballot will be counted without a team of REP lawyers watching every fucking move the re-counters make.I suppose the results of this poll are predictable. All the conservatives will of course say "no" because that kind of narrow-mindedness is expected from them and all the liberals will say vote either "yes" or "maybe".
I'm in the "maybe" camp. I wouldn't be surprised by the results either way. I am encouraged that independent experts believe fraud had occurred. If they were worth the effort, Jill Stein would become my hero. If they turn up with no significant change, it will be an embarrassment for both her and Hillary because Hillary has just announced she supports the recount. I suppose she doesn't have anything to lose.
I suppose it depends on how many fraudulent ballots the recounters can slip in. After all, according to the progs there is no such thing as vote fraud. Until they lose. Then they're all OVER it!
They won't recount the votes in NH, ME, DE & MN, where Trump lost, let alone Dear Leader's elections.My point exactly.
Love how the rules of the game change.
And nobody else thought to look at any of this. Are we saying we don't test our election results on a regular basis at every election ?
So we should recount Barack Obama's wins...right ?
Not so he can lose....but so that we can be sure.
Enough to pay cash for a lakeside home down the road from Bernie 'The Socialist's' third home.How much do you think Jill Stein is being paid by the Clintons for this stupid shit?
President Trump's AG is legally mandated to review any and all recommendations to prosecute bought by the FBI.Why should Hillary get a pass when people guilty of far less serious offenses are sitting in prison?Gotta get that Clinton Foundation loot laundered ASAP!How much do you think Jill Stein is being paid by the Clintons for this stupid shit?
I think that since Trump was willing to let sleeping dogs lie, and Hillary will not let things go, Trump should do the same. He should announce that he's backing off of his position not to hire a special prosecutor to look into the email scandal. Furthermore, Trump should have his people there to assure the recount is fair, and also look for illegal votes at the same time.
I don't think she should, but I also think that Trump was willing to let bygones be bygones which was fair if Hillary just accepted the loss and retired. It's a no loss adventure for Hillary, so why shouldn't she do it?
That's why I think Trump should make it a gamble for her instead of a no-loss ride.
The 'machines' all have a single 'input port' BUT the port is NOT accessible without unlocking a cover on the 'machine'. The cover is sealed and 100% tamper-proof.each individual machine is running software independently, I dont know the machines so I cant say for sure but, if they have an input port somewhere, it is possible to change the programming or hack it. All a programmer needs to hack a program like that is anywhere that the program itself is looking for input, like maybe a simple response to a question? as long as you have that and a basic knowledge of the original programming, it is not as hard as you might think. Now if I designed the systems I would not have any input ports on the machine, the drives would be loaded with the software then installed into the machine pre loaded to greatly reduce the possibility of the software being corrupted by an outside source.The professor will come forth shortly as soon as he gets Mary Ann, the Howes, the Captain and Gilligan off the island.
How would Russia have hacked paper optical scan ballots in Michigan?
We will have to ask the professor.
Maybe the results are transferred over the INTERNET and they are thinking somewhere in between the polling place and courthouse. I don't see how there could be a descrepancy in PA. But there were reports of switching between Trump to Hillary and they were confirmed. They said it was a calibration error. I say it was BS.
The ballots are scanned and tallied, so I guess computers are involved, but it should be a closed system.
If all of PA is like where I voted then it is a close system. I see no way they could be hacked unless the machines were hacked by the software company.
President Trump's AG is legally mandated to review any and all recommendations to prosecute bought by the FBI.Why should Hillary get a pass when people guilty of far less serious offenses are sitting in prison?Gotta get that Clinton Foundation loot laundered ASAP!How much do you think Jill Stein is being paid by the Clintons for this stupid shit?
I think that since Trump was willing to let sleeping dogs lie, and Hillary will not let things go, Trump should do the same. He should announce that he's backing off of his position not to hire a special prosecutor to look into the email scandal. Furthermore, Trump should have his people there to assure the recount is fair, and also look for illegal votes at the same time.
I don't think she should, but I also think that Trump was willing to let bygones be bygones which was fair if Hillary just accepted the loss and retired. It's a no loss adventure for Hillary, so why shouldn't she do it?
That's why I think Trump should make it a gamble for her instead of a no-loss ride.
That's precisely what the FBI is going to do visa vi the Clinton's illegal activities with the Clinton Foundation.
President Trump is a fucking GENIOUS!
He can shrug his shoulders and tell the American public: "Look. I said personally I was willing to give the Clinton's a break for the sake of healing the country. But I have no right to place myself above the law. If the FBI has found illegal activities within the Clinton Foundation and the AG decides to charge the Clintons it's their call".
PURE GENIUS!
This is the end of the American tradition of the peaceful transition of power. It's a natural result of the division of the country as a whole.
So if a re-count proves Trump won are you then going to finally stop your whimpering and shut the fuck up?7 Reasons Jill Stein's Recount Is A Scam
Even renowned democrat water boy Nate Slver can see through this farce.
Nate Silver on Twitter
Wisconsin is going to start an audit of the state vote toward the latter part of next week. They've already agreed to do it.
The thing that raised the eyebrow were several cyber experts noticing that in several democrat precincts the paper ballots were coming in very strong for Hillary Clinton, but the electronic machines were showing her 7% down. When they kept looking at this they noticed a trend of the same thing going on in other states.
IOW--this is a long way from being over. It was the Reich wing and Donald Trump who repeatedly claimed that the election was rigged. We were inundated with Wiki--leaks and 17 different intelligence agencies stated that they were coming from Russia. They were all against the DNC, and none were for the RNC. We had Trump suggest that mail in ballots were a hoax and people could mail one in, and then still go to their precinct to vote again, or vote (twice.) He claimed that dead people voted, he claimed that illegals voted. We had the FBI director, James Comey intervene into this election 11 days prior, and then gave birth to a nothing burger 7 days later. We have Huma, Clinton's aid still saying she has no idea how her emails ended up on her x-husband's laptop.
Americans need to be assured of the integrity of a National Election, and if this does anything, it will restore confidence in our elections. Because right now there are just way too many unanswered questions.
Now the Clinton campaign has joined Jill Stein, so no I don't believe this is just for a fund raiser for the Green party. The audit and recount is on.
GOD you are a fucking IDIOT!Then why is Stein not demanding recounts in tight races that Hillary won with less margin than Trump won the three states she's challenging?You are completely missing the point....probably on purpose.
The IRONY is the alt-left wanting TRUMP to PROMISE to accept the election results, but it's actually HILLARY who wants a recount.
That is very funny shit.
Recounts are common in tight races .
We all know why...because it's a bullshit ploy.
If there is a recount of these states, Trump should definitely demand a recount in States Hillary won.
I doubt it, but what Trump could do is demand to see if all ballots were legal or not.
According to the OP, PA is almost impossible to get a recount from. So this is probably going nowhere and will only make the Democrats look even more foolish.
This isn't a recount, a recount would only produce the same result. This is an audit of the votes cast, specifically out of electronic machines, specifically in Democrat counties, where the paper ballots were coming in strong for Hillary Clinton but the electronic machines in the same county or precincts were showing a 7% loss. That's what got everyone's attention, specifically the cyber experts.
That's why there is a Second Ammendment.I think there might be a civil war or a revolution if they (whoever THEY are) announced that Hillary was the president and not Trump. Oh boy, would there ever be trouble. I just can't see people taking that very well at all.
I agree with you billy, but I would love to see some way for them to find out how many of the votes came from the nasty unwashed illegals.It's not like you have an informed opinion on the subject. They do. Look, I realize the wholeComputer science experts recommend Hillary Clinton challenge election results in 3 swing states
They are being fronted by election lawyers not tied to Hillary as well. How do we know? Because Hillary initially refused to support a recount.
"While they do not have definitive proof of manipulation or hacking..."
Stopped reading right there. Two "experts" who have no proof whatsoever.
Now, Stein has raised more money at a faster rate than her entire presidential campaign did.
Naaw, couldn't be a total back room job from the left, to cast doubt onto the legitimacy of the election! They're so above that!
Thing could be a waste of time, but if the results are suspicious and the money was raised, why not try? You should be happy about it frankly. If you're so convinced it's a waste of time, Hillary will make a complete ass of herself.
This is how "smart" the fucking DEMS are:I suppose the results of this poll are predictable. All the conservatives will of course say "no" because that kind of narrow-mindedness is expected from them and all the liberals will say vote either "yes" or "maybe".
I'm in the "maybe" camp. I wouldn't be surprised by the results either way. I am encouraged that independent experts believe fraud had occurred. If they were worth the effort, Jill Stein would become my hero. If they turn up with no significant change, it will be an embarrassment for both her and Hillary because Hillary has just announced she supports the recount. I suppose she doesn't have anything to lose.
It's not that, but you have millions of Americans out there, that watched Wiki-Leaks hack into supposedly secure government DNC databases to leak emails. You have 17 intelligence agencies saying many of these email leaks were coming from Russia. They never attacked the RNC. Millions of Americans watched FBI director, James Comey break long standing DOJ protocol, (after being warned not to send a letter to congress) and do it anyway, and after millions of people voted during those 7 days, believing that charges were imminent against Hillary Clinton. Then after 7 days Comey gave birth to a nothing burger. We have Huma, Clinton's aid that still states she has no idea how duplicates of her emails ended up on her husband's laptop, who is being investigated by the New York FBI office. Then to add insult to injury, the opposing candidate, Trump was campaigning on a rigged election, while describing how it could be done.
No Jill Stein, nor Hillary Clinton will be looking like a fool over this recount, because it's really not a recount. They are rightfully doing an audit, because in several of these counties, paper ballots were coming in very strong for Hillary Clinton, but the electronic voting machines in the same county were showing a loss of 7%. Over the past couple of weeks cyber experts have alerted them to this, and henceforth, Wisconsin will start the process later this week.
After all of the above--Americans are NOT CONFIDENT of the voting results. Trump won by a mere 100K accumulated votes in 3 battleground states, while Hillary Clinton is now leading him by more than 2 million popular votes.
Recount granted in Wisconsin; same likely coming for Penn., Michigan
If they don't do an audit in these states, it will only fuel the fire, that this election was rigged against Hillary Clinton, insuring that the majority of the population will not accept Trump as the legitimate President, nor will they ever trust our election system again.
And that is the main reason this is being done, regardless of the outcome. It is to restore confidence in our election system, after a very bitter, "hacked" campaign.
Did it ever occur to you that the reason the DNC got hacked and the RNC did not is that one had good security and the other didn't?
Podesta's account was hacked by a decade old phishing scheme for God sake.
Lame is lame and incompetence is incompetence.
No I doubt that very seriously, one is not going to have more security than another. The RNC hasn't even reported attempted attacks. It was clear that they wanted Donald Trump elected, and they were an enormous help. We had Reich wingers on this board actually cheering criminal activity on, and then complaining that wiki-leaks wasn't doing enough for them or putting them out fast enough. So consider this audit poetic justice--LOL
Are you twelve? Both are not run by the same people, so no, they would not have the same.
The republicans have reported no attempt? Just exactly why would they report one way or another? Again, what are you, twelve?
I would also remind you that Podesta's email was hacked by a decade old phishing scheme, what is he, twelve?
If Trump wanted a recount, the resident crony Dem Establ cheerleaders would be howlingRecount......
Hahahahaha the butthurt is REAL
And if a re-count proves Trump won are you going to shut the fuck up and man-up?Look, I have no problem if it helps you heal by coming to terms that the Beast lost. That everyone has to deal with their own pathological damage is abundantly obvious. The sooner you come to terms with it, the better. As long as the taxpayers don't have to pay for this fool's errand, who gives a rats ass?You're talking about half the population with an additional 2 million--airhead--not 1% of the population.
Trump winning 3 states by a mere 100K votes, while Hillary Clinton is leading in the popular vote by over 2 million votes, says Donald Trump is the first LAME DUCK President ever to be sworn into the Oval office.
Regardless of the outcome, this is being done primarily to restore confidence in our election system. And it's because of all the wiki-leaks, criminals committing crimes by breaking into servers, 17 intelligence agencies stating these leaks were coming from Russia. Trump actually encouraging Russia to do a cyber attack on the United States by leaking more information. Trump continually campaigning on a "rigged election" and even describing how it could be accomplished. FBI director, Comey intervening into this election, (after being told not to send a letter to congress by the DOJ) 11 days prior to the election, and during those 7 days millions voted believing that charges were imminent against Hillary Clinton--then to give birth to a nothing burger. Along with Huma,Clinton's aid still stating she has no idea how duplicate emails got on her x-husband's laptop. Probably via the FBI New York Cities office where her husband is being investigated, is how they got on.
Now you can't realistically look at all the above without great suspicion that there were not other things going on. If they were willing to go to the above links to get Donald Trump elected, then's who to say that they wouldn't have taken it to the extreme. That is why this audit is being done.
We can't have over half the population believing that Trump is not the legitimate President, and the ONLY way to solve that problem is to do an audit, and examine these electronic voting machines, where cyber experts see oddities in the voting pattern.
I don't even see the point. Hillary didn't get her voters out, so she lost the election on fewer votes than people needed to fill Penn State and U of Wisc football stadiums.I suppose the results of this poll are predictable. All the conservatives will of course say "no" because that kind of narrow-mindedness is expected from them and all the liberals will say vote either "yes" or "maybe".
I'm in the "maybe" camp. I wouldn't be surprised by the results either way. I am encouraged that independent experts believe fraud had occurred. If they were worth the effort, Jill Stein would become my hero. If they turn up with no significant change, it will be an embarrassment for both her and Hillary because Hillary has just announced she supports the recount. I suppose she doesn't have anything to lose.
The 'machines' all have a single 'input port' BUT the port is NOT accessible without unlocking a cover on the 'machine'. The cover is sealed and 100% tamper-proof.
ONLY the country official has access to the key which is located in a 24/7 guarded vault in an undisclosed location only to be used AFTER the polling stations are ALL closed in each county.
No chance to 'Al Franken' the results by finding hundreds of ballots in a Franken operative's car trunk.
