Progressives vs. Homeschooling

[NYcarbineer]

I sure hope PC is not homeschooling any young ones in the craft of effective argumentation.

PC's rules for effective argumentation:

1. Call your opponent something vulgar that involves poo.

2. ...there is no 2...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually, I'm right about everything I post.....

...especially this: "government schools brainwash children with totalitarian thought."

You wrote this about yourself: "Member of the Politburo."

Perhaps you meant ...'burro."


So, you believe in 'man-made global warming, with only global governance standing between us an disaster.'

But you're government schooled, totally brainwashed. How can you be right about everything in that case?

And yes, if thousands of climate scientists tell us we're screwing up the planet and we need to do something I tend to believe them.

I guess you're one of those believing that it is all an evil global conspiracy to get research funds and that there's nothing to worry about?

1. "But you're government schooled, totally brainwashed."
Although the second part of the sentence has no validity relative to the first part....it does indicate that you are an idiot.

2. "And yes, if thousands of climate scientists tell us we're screwing up the planet and we need to do something I tend to believe them."
That's because you're an idiot.
Proof?
Sure:
The biggest news story of the day is one that has barely begun to break and will continue to reverberate for months or years to come. Someone hacked into a computer at the University of East Anglia's Hadley Climatic Research Centre, one of the main centers of anthropogenic global warming research. The hacker downloaded over 200 megabytes of data from the server, consisting of around 1,000 emails and a variety of other documents. He uploaded them to an FTP server, where they were available to the public, apparently, for only a few hours. The event is described here.

Before the documents disappeared from that location, several people had downloaded them and posted them in other locations. I downloaded all of the material earlier today and have begun to review it. The emails are stunning. They are authored by many of the leading figures in the global warming movement: Michael Mann, James Hansen, Phil Jones, Keith Briffa, Stephen Schneider, and others. They are remarkably candid; these individuals talk to each other with the knowledge that they are among friends.

They also suggest that pro-global warming scientists fudge data to get the results they are looking for. Just over a month ago, on September 28, 2009, Tom Wigley wrote to Phil Jones of the Hadley Centre about his efforts to get the right-sized "blip" in temperatures of the 1940s:

Phil, Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s blip (as I'm sure you know). So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip.

I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips -- higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from. Removing ENSO does not affect this.

It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with "why the blip".
Global Warming Bombshell Power Line


3. "I guess you're one of those believing that it is all an evil global conspiracy to get research funds and that there's nothing to worry about?"
See if you can connect these dots:
The UN is behind it, and the UN-supporters in our government.

The UN was formed based on Joseph Stalin's views, international socialism..."The U.N. charter was authored by a communist, the first U.N. Secretary-general was a communist, and the U.N., from the beginning, was designed to be a Union of World Socialist Republics.

Stalin's spy, Alger Hiss was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done. He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. (His death came only ten weeks later). At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one."
What The U.N. Doesn t Want You To Know


Wise up, you dope.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Homeschooling is expensive, so many can't afford it..

And, in the face of an ascendant Progressive milieu...and whatever costs accrue.....homeschooling continues to advance.

7. "Not so long ago, homeschooling was considered a radical educational alternative— ....As recently as the mid-1970s, as few as 10,000 children were homeschooled in the United States. The practice was illegal in 30 states,

... Today, as many as 2 million—or 2.5 percent—of the nation’s 77 million school-age children are educated at home...More urban parents are turning their backs on the compulsory-education model and embracing the interactive, online educational future that policy entrepreneurs have predicted for years would revolutionize pedagogy and transform brick-and-mortar schooling. And their kids are not only keeping pace with their traditionally schooled peers; they are also, in many cases, doing better, getting into top-ranked colleges and graduating at higher rates.


Many of the original homeschoolers took inspiration from the writings of John Holt, a former fifth-grade teacher, whose two books, 1964’sHow Children Failand 1967’sHow Children Learn, were highly critical of traditional compulsory education. The system had similar contempt for homeschoolers, tending to treat the students as truants and the parents as criminals."
Homeschooling in the City by Matthew Hennessey City Journal Summer 2015

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Wise up, you dope.

Idiot, Stalin, UN conspiracy......

I guess you've got all the right arguments

I hate to tell you this but you sound like a delusional tea cultist and I feel very sorry for the children that are homeschooled by you.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

1. Every variation of totalitarian thought is based on the central theme of an all-encompassing state that centralizes power.
Just as that description applies to Nazism, socialism, communism, it is a gross error to imagine that Progressivism is based on any other desire.

To accomplish said aim, no departure from the orthodoxy of Progressivism can be allowed.


Progressive Woodrow Wilson succinctly explained how it must be done: : “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.”
Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111


2. And here is Obama, endorsing the same view, that children must be turned into statist robots:

"U.S. President Barack Obama gives the commencement address to the graduating class of The Ohio State University at Ohio Stadium on May 5, 2013 in Columbus, Ohio.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave, and creative, and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted."
Obama To Grads Reject Voices That Warn About Government Tyranny RealClearPolitics



3. The rejection of the Progressive's attempts to force American children into the politically correct mold is one of the factors that has given rise to the increase in homeschooling.....and Progressives have on intention of taking this development lying down.

"Eric Holder: Banning Homeschooling Doesn’t Violate Fundamental Rights" Eric Holder Banning Homeschooling Doesn t Violate Fundamental Rights Caffeinated Thoughts



4. " While homeschooling has become more mainstream in recent years, it remains in the eyes of its critics a threat to public schools, public health—and even democracy itself. Social welfare officials and local politicians in some states have subjected homeschooling families to treatment bordering on harassment. Homeschooling in the City by Matthew Hennessey City Journal Summer 2015




Progressive's support for diversity is 100%.....unless diversity actually appears.

Hey, Political Chica, I see none of your usual PLAGURISTIC BENT in this post. You have mended your ways, at least for the moment, after being chastised. Good little Political Chica!

Now you might want to start on your lies and distortions with an eye toward HONESTY AND INTEGRITY!

Have a Nice Day!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wise up, you dope.

Idiot, Stalin, UN conspiracy......

I guess you've got all the right arguments

I hate to tell you this but you sound like a delusional tea cultist and I feel very sorry for the children that are homeschooled by you.

And you sound like one who cannot deal with the truth.

That brainwashing tends to be permanent, huh?

 

[Camp]

Liar.

And, duly noted, you could not produce any conservative indoctrination.

You've served your purpose.

Something is drastically wrong with you. Everyone who shows any disagreement with you on any topic, even the interpretation of an elementary level cartoon video, is a liar. You prevent any kind of academic or intellectual debate simply by the nature of your fascist and totalitarian personality. I get more movement from my Russian friends debating allied contributions to defeating Germany in WWII than debating you about simple generic topics.

See if you can follow the logic:
If you lie.....you are a liar.

And you did....so your are.


But you must be used to that appellation by now.
You should have it monogrammed on all of your overalls.

See if you can follow the logic you dope. When you call someone a liar you need to have some evidence that a lie has been told. So, where is your evidence that I told a lie. Now you must prove that your cartoon was a socialist indoctrination tool vs. my contention that it was an educational tool for teaching the results of unregulated capitalism. Opinions don't count, especially agenda driven ones. You can't call people liars just because they disagree with you. If you do, it makes you the liar.

I provided the evidence....the socialist, anti-capitalist vid authored by the Leftist Tides Foundation....shown to little ones in public- government- schools.

You lied about it.

Hence...you're a liar.

You have yet to prove they show it in every public school...

She has to prove that the video is socialist. She has not done that. Tides is indeed a liberal oriented organization, but Political Chic calls anything liberal as being socialist and anything socialist as being communist. Nothing in the cartoon promotes socialism. The cartoon shows how the various stages of the product production processes can harm the environment when not regulated. The point of the cartoon is that the harm to the environment and community is not included in the monetary cost of production. Those factors are controlled by government regulations and rules to protect the environment. There is no suggestion that control of production and ownership of the line of production contributors should be owned by the government, hence socialist. The government telling a business it can not throw it's trash and raw sewage into the river does not make the production method socialist. It supports the concept that communities and governments subsidize private business when production is allowed to exist with hidden cost to the community and citizens in general.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Something is drastically wrong with you. Everyone who shows any disagreement with you on any topic, even the interpretation of an elementary level cartoon video, is a liar. You prevent any kind of academic or intellectual debate simply by the nature of your fascist and totalitarian personality. I get more movement from my Russian friends debating allied contributions to defeating Germany in WWII than debating you about simple generic topics.

See if you can follow the logic:
If you lie.....you are a liar.

And you did....so your are.


But you must be used to that appellation by now.
You should have it monogrammed on all of your overalls.

See if you can follow the logic you dope. When you call someone a liar you need to have some evidence that a lie has been told. So, where is your evidence that I told a lie. Now you must prove that your cartoon was a socialist indoctrination tool vs. my contention that it was an educational tool for teaching the results of unregulated capitalism. Opinions don't count, especially agenda driven ones. You can't call people liars just because they disagree with you. If you do, it makes you the liar.

I provided the evidence....the socialist, anti-capitalist vid authored by the Leftist Tides Foundation....shown to little ones in public- government- schools.

You lied about it.

Hence...you're a liar.

You have yet to prove they show it in every public school...

She has to prove that the video is socialist. She has not done that. Tides is indeed a liberal oriented organization, but Political Chic calls anything liberal as being socialist and anything socialist as being communist. Nothing in the cartoon promotes socialism. The cartoon shows how the various stages of the product production processes can harm the environment when not regulated. The point of the cartoon is that the harm to the environment and community is not included in the monetary cost of production. Those factors are controlled by government regulations and rules to protect the environment. There is no suggestion that control of production and ownership of the line of production contributors should be owned by the government, hence socialist. The government telling a business it can not throw it's trash and raw sewage into the river does not make the production method socialist. It supports the concept that communities and governments subsidize private business when production is allowed to exist with hidden cost to the community and citizens in general.

How about we leave it up to any who view the video....



....to see if I am correct, and you, a liar.


You might enjoy this, as well:

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This thread fails as a straw man fallacy, just another ridiculous lie from the OP.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This thread fails as a straw man fallacy, just another ridiculous lie from the OP.

I'm chagrined!

All those lies that you were able to expose!


Oh, wait.....you couldn't find any?

So.....the only lie is your post?
That the way they teach you to debate in government school?

Just as Coulter has written:
"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"


You must be a Liberal, huh?

 

[Moonglow]

See if you can follow the logic:
If you lie.....you are a liar.

And you did....so your are.


But you must be used to that appellation by now.
You should have it monogrammed on all of your overalls.

See if you can follow the logic you dope. When you call someone a liar you need to have some evidence that a lie has been told. So, where is your evidence that I told a lie. Now you must prove that your cartoon was a socialist indoctrination tool vs. my contention that it was an educational tool for teaching the results of unregulated capitalism. Opinions don't count, especially agenda driven ones. You can't call people liars just because they disagree with you. If you do, it makes you the liar.

I provided the evidence....the socialist, anti-capitalist vid authored by the Leftist Tides Foundation....shown to little ones in public- government- schools.

You lied about it.

Hence...you're a liar.

You have yet to prove they show it in every public school...

She has to prove that the video is socialist. She has not done that. Tides is indeed a liberal oriented organization, but Political Chic calls anything liberal as being socialist and anything socialist as being communist. Nothing in the cartoon promotes socialism. The cartoon shows how the various stages of the product production processes can harm the environment when not regulated. The point of the cartoon is that the harm to the environment and community is not included in the monetary cost of production. Those factors are controlled by government regulations and rules to protect the environment. There is no suggestion that control of production and ownership of the line of production contributors should be owned by the government, hence socialist. The government telling a business it can not throw it's trash and raw sewage into the river does not make the production method socialist. It supports the concept that communities and governments subsidize private business when production is allowed to exist with hidden cost to the community and citizens in general.

How about we leave it up to any who view the video....



....to see if I am correct, and you, a liar.


You might enjoy this, as well:

yes, we know you think that all public schools in every county are exactly one in the same, hardly so..Most public schools are not unionized...
And many folks can't afford the tuition for home schooling...

 

[Uncensored2008]

No.
My children are.

Why do you ask?

Because she is a demagogue, and knee jerked with slander and libel, rather than reason.

Such is the left.

 

[PoliticalChic]

See if you can follow the logic you dope. When you call someone a liar you need to have some evidence that a lie has been told. So, where is your evidence that I told a lie. Now you must prove that your cartoon was a socialist indoctrination tool vs. my contention that it was an educational tool for teaching the results of unregulated capitalism. Opinions don't count, especially agenda driven ones. You can't call people liars just because they disagree with you. If you do, it makes you the liar.

I provided the evidence....the socialist, anti-capitalist vid authored by the Leftist Tides Foundation....shown to little ones in public- government- schools.

You lied about it.

Hence...you're a liar.

You have yet to prove they show it in every public school...

She has to prove that the video is socialist. She has not done that. Tides is indeed a liberal oriented organization, but Political Chic calls anything liberal as being socialist and anything socialist as being communist. Nothing in the cartoon promotes socialism. The cartoon shows how the various stages of the product production processes can harm the environment when not regulated. The point of the cartoon is that the harm to the environment and community is not included in the monetary cost of production. Those factors are controlled by government regulations and rules to protect the environment. There is no suggestion that control of production and ownership of the line of production contributors should be owned by the government, hence socialist. The government telling a business it can not throw it's trash and raw sewage into the river does not make the production method socialist. It supports the concept that communities and governments subsidize private business when production is allowed to exist with hidden cost to the community and citizens in general.

How about we leave it up to any who view the video....



....to see if I am correct, and you, a liar.


You might enjoy this, as well:

yes, we know you think that all public schools in every county are exactly one in the same, hardly so..Most public schools are not unionized...
And many folks can't afford the tuition for home schooling...

"we know blah blah blah...."


Why are you Liberals so fearful of standing up for yourself?
You guys regularly hide behind "we" and "us."

1. Gustave Le Bon, in his groundbreaking 1896 book, “The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind,” was the first to identify the phenomenon of mass psychology. Both Hitler and Mussolini used his book to understand how to incite a mob.

a. Gustave was the second to bring up mass psychology, the first "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" was published in 1841 and was written by the Scottish journalist (back when they actually did real journalism) Charles Mackay, which exposed mass psychosis for the first time..... accounts of classic scams, grand-scale madness, and deceptions.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of CrowdsbyCharles MacKay



If you ever get around to reading, pick up Coulter's "Demonic."
She speaks to you Liberals needing the mob to feel comfortable....

...you may recognize yourself in there.

 

[Uncensored2008]

All teachers and teaching institutions inflict influence on students. It is natural and expected. That includes parents teaching their own children. The chances of a student escaping from the primary influence and experimenting or researching alternate opinions is magnified by the numbers of other students and teachers they are exposed to. The least rounded and free thinking students will always be the ones who have the same teachers year after year and have limited access to differing views or experiencing group problem solving or learning environments, i.e., home schooling.

Comrade Camp, do you think that the state has a responsibility to limit the influence parents have on children? Do you parental interaction as corruption of state property?

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.

Vladimir Lenin


Read more at Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. - Vladimir Lenin at BrainyQuote

 

[NYcarbineer]

More from the psycho factory known as homeschooling:

David Gregory LUDWIG

David Gregory Ludwig (born April 28, 1987) received two life sentences in prison without parole for murdering Michael and Cathryn Borden on November 13, 2005. The Bordens were the 50-year-old parents of his girlfriend Kara Beth Borden, who fled with him after the murders.

Background

The Borden and Ludwig families are both from Lititz, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. While apparently not members of the same church, the two families are stated to be devout evangelical Christians, and each family similarly home schooled their children.

David and Kara are reported by the Carlisle, PA Sentinel to have met in a support group for home schooled children.




David Ludwig Murderpedia the encyclopedia of murderers

 

[Uncensored2008]

Truly educated people tend to be progressive leaning, and most vote Democratic. Can't have that, can we?

False.

The field of education indicates the political leanings. Those in practical fields, engineering, medicine, and technology lean toward conservatism. Those in esoteric disciplines, art, history, ethnic studies, and science where research in the shelter of academia is the focus tend to be leftists.

Simply put, exposure to reality causes people to be conservative - those who never experience reality embrace leftism. A professor of Zulu Basket design who has never held a job outside of academia will be a leftist - embracing the childish and absurd precepts that have not been challegend by exposure to real life.

 

[Moonglow]

I provided the evidence....the socialist, anti-capitalist vid authored by the Leftist Tides Foundation....shown to little ones in public- government- schools.

You lied about it.

Hence...you're a liar.

You have yet to prove they show it in every public school...

She has to prove that the video is socialist. She has not done that. Tides is indeed a liberal oriented organization, but Political Chic calls anything liberal as being socialist and anything socialist as being communist. Nothing in the cartoon promotes socialism. The cartoon shows how the various stages of the product production processes can harm the environment when not regulated. The point of the cartoon is that the harm to the environment and community is not included in the monetary cost of production. Those factors are controlled by government regulations and rules to protect the environment. There is no suggestion that control of production and ownership of the line of production contributors should be owned by the government, hence socialist. The government telling a business it can not throw it's trash and raw sewage into the river does not make the production method socialist. It supports the concept that communities and governments subsidize private business when production is allowed to exist with hidden cost to the community and citizens in general.

How about we leave it up to any who view the video....



....to see if I am correct, and you, a liar.


You might enjoy this, as well:

yes, we know you think that all public schools in every county are exactly one in the same, hardly so..Most public schools are not unionized...
And many folks can't afford the tuition for home schooling...

"we know blah blah blah...."


Why are you Liberals so fearful of standing up for yourself?
You guys regularly hide behind "we" and "us."

1. Gustave Le Bon, in his groundbreaking 1896 book, “The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind,” was the first to identify the phenomenon of mass psychology. Both Hitler and Mussolini used his book to understand how to incite a mob.

a. Gustave was the second to bring up mass psychology, the first "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" was published in 1841 and was written by the Scottish journalist (back when they actually did real journalism) Charles Mackay, which exposed mass psychosis for the first time..... accounts of classic scams, grand-scale madness, and deceptions.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of CrowdsbyCharles MacKay



If you ever get around to reading, pick up Coulter's "Demonic."
She speaks to you Liberals needing the mob to feel comfortable....

...you may recognize yourself in there.

take it how ever your public school training will allow..

 

[Uncensored2008]

More from the psycho factory known as homeschooling:

David Gregory LUDWIG

David Gregory Ludwig (born April 28, 1987) received two life sentences in prison without parole for murdering Michael and Cathryn Borden on November 13, 2005. The Bordens were the 50-year-old parents of his girlfriend Kara Beth Borden, who fled with him after the murders.

Background

The Borden and Ludwig families are both from Lititz, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. While apparently not members of the same church, the two families are stated to be devout evangelical Christians, and each family similarly home schooled their children.

David and Kara are reported by the Carlisle, PA Sentinel to have met in a support group for home schooled children.




David Ludwig Murderpedia the encyclopedia of murderers

Oh look, slander and libel, how unique from a leftists.

Demagoguery - LITERALLY the only thing democrats have to offer.

 

[Moonglow]

More from the psycho factory known as homeschooling:

David Gregory LUDWIG

David Gregory Ludwig (born April 28, 1987) received two life sentences in prison without parole for murdering Michael and Cathryn Borden on November 13, 2005. The Bordens were the 50-year-old parents of his girlfriend Kara Beth Borden, who fled with him after the murders.

Background

The Borden and Ludwig families are both from Lititz, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. While apparently not members of the same church, the two families are stated to be devout evangelical Christians, and each family similarly home schooled their children.

David and Kara are reported by the Carlisle, PA Sentinel to have met in a support group for home schooled children.




David Ludwig Murderpedia the encyclopedia of murderers

Oh look, slander and libel, how unique from a leftists.

Demagoguery - LITERALLY the only thing democrats have to offer.

Duck, dodge and elude from the truth to spread your propaganda, I am enjoying the dance..

 

[NYcarbineer]

[

The field of education indicates the political leanings. Those in practical fields, engineering, medicine, and technology lean toward conservatism. Those in esoteric disciplines, art, history, ethnic studies, and science where research in the shelter of academia is the focus tend to be leftists.
.

More from the psycho factory known as homeschooling:

David Gregory LUDWIG

David Gregory Ludwig (born April 28, 1987) received two life sentences in prison without parole for murdering Michael and Cathryn Borden on November 13, 2005. The Bordens were the 50-year-old parents of his girlfriend Kara Beth Borden, who fled with him after the murders.

Background

The Borden and Ludwig families are both from Lititz, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. While apparently not members of the same church, the two families are stated to be devout evangelical Christians, and each family similarly home schooled their children.

David and Kara are reported by the Carlisle, PA Sentinel to have met in a support group for home schooled children.




David Ludwig Murderpedia the encyclopedia of murderers

Oh look, slander and libel, how unique from a leftists.

Demagoguery - LITERALLY the only thing democrats have to offer.

Go whine to PoliticalChic. She's the one thinking she could prove a point with one anecdotal example.

I'm now ahead 4 to 1 I think. Or is it 5?