Religious prejudice

[Conservative65]

That's the issue. The principle involves examples outside of the issue where the same thing happens. You really are stupid.

I'm simply unwilling to abandon the topic of the thread.....because you wanna talk about guns.

You're clearly unwilling to discuss the thread. When you muster the courage to do so, I'll be around.

I used it as one example that applies and you're unwilling to admit it does.

I'm unwilling to abandon the topic of the thread just because the OP's allegations don't pan out. You're desperately trying to change the topic to guns.

If you want to discuss another topic, start a thread. I'll stick with this one.

I used guns as an example of how the topic applies outside the specific OP. You simply don't understand on that level and how it can do so.

You'll only talk about guns because the OP's comparison is blithering, indefensible nonsense. So you're trying to switch the topic to something else.

No thank you. When you're willing to discuss the topic of the thread, join us.

I made a statement. You're the one that keeps focusing on guns. I provided it as an example of how the same thing is done on issues not related to religion.

When you're willing to think on a higher level, if that's possible, join me. Until then, stick with your simple minded thought process.

 

[daws101]

it's all I need, unlike yourself

Thus proving you are a RETARD.

Yes indeed. His are the crazed ravings of a mad man. Pitiful.

Hilarious!

What is Hilarious is your attempt to equate actions from over 500 years ago and have since not occurred and been purged as being equivalent to current actions of today. Claiming that because some group did something 500 years ago they are the same as a group doing the same or worse today. Pathetic and retarded come to mind to describe your ignorance. You see retard Christians modified their actions they learned and grew from those actions while the Muslims are still doing the same today as they did 500 years ago. The Christian religion teaches forgiveness and love, the Islamic religion teaches murder and torture.

Even more hilarious is your desperate attempt at justification.
And misrepresenting what I said .
" there is a shit load of evidence pointing out that Christians have done the same things throughout history".
Including but not exclusively the crusades .
Christians have been responsible for countless deaths well into the 20th century.

Be specific list for us the Hundreds of thousands of Christian terrorists today. The hundreds of daily attacks they carry out and the millions either displaced by them, raped or murdered. Be specific now.[/QUOTE]massive rationalization

How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?



VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH


"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"



Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
Ancient Pagans

• As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
  
• Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
  
• Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
  
• Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
  
• Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
  
• Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
  According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
  
• In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
  
• In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
  
• The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
  [DO19-25]

Mission

• Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
  
• Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
  
• 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
  
• 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
  Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

Crusades (1095-1291)

• First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
  
• Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
  
• 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
  
• Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
  
• After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
  [WW32-35]
  Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
  
• Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
  
• 
  Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
  In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
  
• The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
  
• Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". [WW41]
  
• Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
  
• Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
  
• Crusades (1095-1291)
  • Estimated totals:
    • Wertham: 1,000,000
      
    • Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the
      Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]
      
    • Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000
  • Individual Events:
    • Davies: Crusaders killed up to 8,000 Jews in Rhineland
      
    • Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in
      Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.
      
    • Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6
      • 1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].
        
      • Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems
        
        
      • 1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.
        
      • 50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.
        
      • 1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.
        
      • Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.
        
      • Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks
        
      • Richard the Lionhearted executes 3,000 Moslem POWs.
        
      • 1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.
        
      • Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.
        
      • [TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]
    • Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/]
      • Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197
    • Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost
      a total of 3,600 in battle.
      • 1st C (1096-99): 400
        
      • 2nd C (1147-49): 750
        
      • 3rd C (1189-91): 930
        
      • 4th C (1202-04): 120
        
      • 5th C (1228-29): 600
        
      • 7th C (1248-54): 700
    • James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)
      • 1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced
        Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.
        
      • 1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. "Most" lost to
        starv./disease/battle.
        
      • 1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.
        
      • 1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and
        desertions in campaign vs Antioch.
        
      • 1212: Children's Crusade loses some 50,000.
        
      • [TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around
        650,000.]
  • TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out
    the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam ("Pluralitas non est
    ponenda sine necessitate"), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M
    deaths in the Crusades.

Heretics and Atheists

• Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
  
• Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
  
• Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
  The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
  Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic
  neighbors and friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
• Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
  
• Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
  
  
• After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324.
  [WW183]
  
• Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
  
• Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
  
• Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
  
• John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
  
• Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other follwers were also executed. [KM]
  
• University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
  
  
• Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
  
• Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.

ExChristian.Net - Articles: How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?

the people and organization in this article are just as guilty of terrorism as any Muslims group.
to deny that is the worst kind of willful ignorance.

 

[daws101]

Here are 8 Christian Terrorist Organizations That Equal ISIS
Posted by: AATTP in Religion, TEApublican Smack Downs February 9, 2015


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The right-wing is quick to condemn all of Islam like it’s a singular entity, and hold every Muslim accountable for the actions of a handful bad apples. As I’ve often said, no one religion — not even Buddhism — has the “right” to claim they’re non-violent. Holy War is one of those things that cuts across all religions equally. And while you can point this out to right-wingers, they won’t listen: they’re quick to invoke Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Sheebab, or some other terrorist agency and pretend they’re the sum total of all Muslims.

Well, there are Christian terrorist agencies that are just as scary, and some of them just as bad if not worse, than ISIS. A few of these you may have heard of, but since our so-called “liberal media” gets cold feet at naming Christian Terrorism what it is, some of them slip under the radar or aren’t as associated with Christian terrorism as they should be in the popular imagination.

8. Lord’s Resistance Army
Active: 1980s-Present, about 30 years

Who are they? The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) is a Christian Fundamentalist terrorist group originally from Uganda, but now active in the Sudan, the Central African Republic, and other places. Uganda, you may remember, is a hotbed of Christian Fundamentalism, so it makes sense that a group who calls themselves “Christianist” would come from the country. The LRA surfaced in the popular conscious sometime ago when Joesph Kony suddenly became a meme on the internet; up to that point, their main claim to fame is child sex slaves and children soldiers. Indeed, the LRA is known to orchestrate kidnappings, railroading young boys into fighting while forcing young girls into sexual slavery. Those who refused to fight were hacked to pieces. The young girls are forced to be “brides” for the soldiers, and thus helping to spread HIV. They’re especially brutal towards civilians, as well, wiping out entire villages and attacking refugee camps.

The goal of the LRA is pretty straight froward: they want a Bible-based state that uses the Ten Commandments as guide posts. That’s something any right-wing politician or Christianist can sympathize with, right?

7. Ku Klux Klan
Active: 1860s-Present, 149 years

Who are they? These guys don’t need any introduction; every American knows who the Invisible Empire is. The Klan name probably comes from the Ancient Greek ‘κύκλος‘ (kuklos), which means “circle.” There’s a frightening overlap between White Supremacist ideology and Christian terrorism in the Western World, and the Klan is the tip of that iceberg. There’ve actually been three Klans; the first one was formed in 1865, in Pulaski, and drew on former members of the Confederacy Army. They were a vigilante group, and they wore the sheets as a reminder of their fellow Confederates who died (think the classic “sheet ghost” and you’re not far off). Everything about the Klan is geared towards terrorism and psychological war, from the uniform to the cross burning. And while it’s true the Klan got their start as an arm of the Democratic Party, it was back when the Republicans were Theodore Roosevelt and not Sarah Palin, so I dare you to tell a modern Klansman they voted for Barack Obama.

While the Klan started out hunting down and terrorizing freemen and women, that wasn’t their sole target. The Klan is a far right-wing Protestant organization, and being a Protestant organization, they hate Catholics. As a result, Klan has targeted both Catholics and Jews in the (not-so-distant) past. The KKK’s history is so violent, in fact, that many draw a comparison between the KKK and Al Qaeda, although I think that’s an unfair comparison, as I’ll explain below.

6. National Liberation Front of Tripura
Active: 1989 to present, about 30 years

Who are they? You’ve probably heard of the Lord’s Resistance Army and the KKK, but this is a group that I’m pretty sure you haven’t, unless you’re from India. It’s easy for us to forget, as Americans, just how big India is; it’s far more diverse than Europe is, culturally speaking, and it’s roughly the same size. It’s called the “world’s largest democracy” for a reason, but as the United States shows, no democracy is without it’s secessionists. And these folks are just some of the many secessionist organizations in India.

According to their manifesto, the NLFT wants ” to expand the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura,” and often does so at the point of a gun. They threatened anyone celebrating the Hindu Festival of Durga Puja with death, and are backed by a Baptist Church that’s selling them arms. They’ve orchestrated at least two massacres, and used rape as a tool of intimidation. While the Nayanbasi faction has been shut down, the Biswamohan faction has promised to fight on. So here we have a Christian terrorist group spreading their faith in India “by sword,” metaphorically, and at the point of a gun more prosaically — small wonder we haven’t heard anything about them in the West, huh?

5. Antibalaka
Active: 1990s to present, about 25 years

Who are they? I’ve cited the Central African Genocide in at least two articles now; these are the militia behind that genocide. Their name means “anti-machete” in the Sango and Mandja languages, and they first formed to defend Christians and Animists who were on the receiving end of politically motivated violence carried out by Muslims. As these things often do, the tables turned, and now the Antibalaka is doing what right-wingers only wish they could do: ethnically cleanse their country of all Muslims. This includes children, who they’ve targeted and murdered in the past. Now, the Antibalaka now stand accused of crimes far worse than anything that Séléka, the Muslim rebel group, are guilty of.

4. Catholic Reaction Force/Protestant Action Force
Active: 1983 till 1994; at least 2002 for other groups using the CRF name; 1970s till 1990s for PAF

Who are they? Really, anytime some claims that Christians aren’t violent, all you have to do is direct them to Ireland. I could do a whole entry on what happened in North Ireland, beginning in the 1970s. Americans like to pretend that Eire is Guinness, the Blarney Stone, and leprechauns, but during the 1970s, religious violence a la the Thirty Years’ War was painting the Emerald Isle ruby red. The Irish call this time period The Troubles, and that’s an understatement if there ever was one.

The Provisional IRA is perhaps the best known terrorist agency from the period and would definitely earn their spot on this list, if I weren’t aiming for more obscure groups, but the Catholic Reaction Force and Protestant Action Force were also active and, in the case of the latter, also responsible for a large number of murders. For those who are unfamiliar with the Troubles, it occurred in North Ireland and, as so many European conflicts do, pitted Protestants against Catholics in unmitigated bloodshed. The CRF was behind the Darkley killings, in addition to several mailed bombings in the early 2000s. The PAF, which was far more effective in their killings, has a rap sheet a mile long. You can find it on the Wikipedia page, here.

3. The Orange Volunteers
Active: Early 1970s to Present, about 40 years

Who are they: We’re staying in Ireland for this next group. Fans of science fiction probably remember the Orange Catholic Bible from Frank Herbert’s Dune, but may never have understood why that name was so subversive, or why it was similar to Herbert’s other Coca-Pepsi religious hybrids like Zensunni. Orange is the color of Protestantism in Ireland, and green is the color of Catholicism; when you wear green on St. Patty’s Day, you’re proclaiming your Catholic heritage. The Orange Volunteers, then, are a Protestant terrorist organization.

The OV are Protestant Fundamentalist, and responsible for a number of violent attacks in North Ireland. While the police have been cracking down on the group, the group is still considered to be active and is still terrorizing Catholic citizens and hitting “soft targets.”

2. The Aryan Nations
Active: Unknown, to the Present

Who are they? “The Aryan Nations” is an umbrella agency that nets a large number of White and Christian Supremacist agencies ranging from certain breeds of Neo-Nazi to the KKK itself. It’s heyday was in the 1980s and the 1990s, when various White Nationalist groups would convene at the group’s Idaho compound for their annual congress.

The Aryan Nations got their start in the Christian Identity movement, but has since fractured into no fewer than three factions, with one faction even looking to buddy-buddy with Al-Qaeda in 2005. The Phineas Priesthood is another branch, and they’ve made headlines here on AATTP before. The last faction is the Aryan Nation Revival, which holds to their Christian Identity heritage like small-town Conservatives cling to their guns and Bibles.

1. The Christian Identity Movement
Active: 1920/1930s to Present, about 95 years

Who are they? When you’re dealing with White Nationalism and White Supremacy in the United States, it’s turtles all the way down, but you can almost certainly find God at the top of the heap. That’s what the Christian Identity Movement is; it’s not necessarily an organization so much as it is a loose affiliation of organizations like the Aryan Nations.

The Christian Identity Movement is a very weird movement; they actually have hostile relations with Evangelicals and other charismatic Protestants — not because they’re racist bigots, no; it’s because the CIM is Post-Millennial, where the vast majority of Evangelicals are Pre-Millennial. This distinction is lost on anyone who hasn’t studied the Scofield-Derby Heresies, but the basic idea is that the Tribulation has already occurred and the goal is to build up the world to the second coming. Their theology is just as skewed, though; for instance, members of the CIM believe that non-Caucasians don’t have souls, and therefore, can’t be saved.

The CIM is made up of various Christian terrorist organizations, like Americans Promise Ministries, who are responsible for terrorist attacks and bank robberies; the aforementioned Aryan Nations; the Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord; the Oklahoma Constitution Militia; and the South African Groups that were behind the 2002 Soweto bombings.

This group is why I consider the comparison between the KKK and Al-Qaeda to be unfair. The CIM is a worldwide movement, with adherents across the Commonwealth and former-Commonwealth Countries, as well as the United States, and is responsible for ideologically motivated terrorism. This, I think, makes the Christian Identity Movement a much better comparison to Al-Qaeda than the KKK.

So this is it?
Nope. There are hundreds more. I mentioned a few of them in the article — the Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, the Oklahoma Constitution Militia, and the Provisional IRA are just a few who didn’t get entries but deserve noting anyway. By now it should be apparent to anyone watching that Christian Terrorism is a thing, it exists, and it’s just as bad and widespread as Islamic Terrorism. The only difference between Christian Terrorism and Islamic terrorism is that Christian Terrorism never makes the evening news.

Here are 8 Christian Terrorist Organizations That Equal ISIS

 

[RetiredGySgt]

LOL the crusades. Really? The crusades were touched off when ISLAM attacked peaceful Christians in the Holy Lands and were an attempt by said Christians to reclaim lands taken by force by Islam. I notice you do not include any Christians in your death toll. Remind me how Islam waging war for years that conquered all the way to Mid Spain and Hungary were the Christians Fault.

Be specific, cite for us CURRENT examples of Christian terrorists planes being flown into buildings, beheadings, rape torture murder and slavery done by Christians in the name of Christ. Hell go back a hundred or 2 hundred years something current.

 

[daws101]

LOL the crusades. Really? The crusades were touched off when ISLAM attacked peaceful Christians in the Holy Lands and were an attempt by said Christians to reclaim lands taken by force by Islam. I notice you do not include any Christians in your death toll. Remind me how Islam waging war for years that conquered all the way to Mid Spain and Hungary were the Christians Fault.

Be specific, cite for us CURRENT examples of Christian terrorists planes being flown into buildings, beheadings, rape torture murder and slavery done by Christians in the name of Christ. Hell go back a hundred or 2 hundred years something current.

More rationalizing and bullshit
The Crusades

The Crusades - What were the Crusades?
The Crusades were a series of Holy Wars launched by the Christian states of Europe against the Saracens. The term 'Saracen' was the word used to describe a Moslem during the time of the Crusades.

The Crusades started in 1095 when Pope Claremont preached the First Crusade at the Council of Claremont. The Pope's preaching led to thousands immediately affixing the cross to their garments - the name Crusade given to the Holy Wars came from old French word 'crois' meaning 'cross'.

The Crusades were great military expeditions undertaken by the Christian nations of Europe for the purpose of rescuing the holy places of Palestine from the hands of the Mohammedans. They were eight in number, the first four being sometimes called the Principal Crusades, and the remaining four the Minor Crusades. In addition there was a Children's Crusade. There were several other expeditions which were insignificant in numbers or results.

For full details, facts and information click one of the following links:

The First Crusade
Timeline of the First Crusade
The Second Crusade
The Third Crusade
The Fourth Crusade
The Childrens Crusade
The Minor Crusades
The Church in the Middle Ages End of the Medieval Crusades
Cause of the Crusades
Effects of the Crusades
Crusades Timeline
Kingdom of Jerusalem
Crusaders
Holy Land Pilgrimage
What was the Cause for the Crusades?
The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusade.

What were the Objectives of the Crusades?


The Crusades
that peaceful settlers bullshit may play with you and your ignorant friends ,
the facts say other wise.
as to current christian terrists I've already covered that .
post# 123 or did you miss that ?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your own link proves the Muslims started the war. Wanna try again?

 

[daws101]

Your own link proves the Muslims started the war. Wanna try again?

False

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Roman Catholic Crusades (started by Muslims). The stupidity here never ceases to amaze me.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your own link proves the Muslims started the war. Wanna try again?

False

From the link....

Holy Land Pilgrimage
What was the Cause for the Crusades?
The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusade.

 

[daws101]

Your own link proves the Muslims started the war. Wanna try again?

False

From the link....

Holy Land Pilgrimage
What was the Cause for the Crusades?
The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusade.

there were several causes given in that link you pick the one that fits your narrow pov as if it was the only reason.
That makes your answer false.
The incident you sourced was part of a chain of events which caused the crusades.
But obviously you couldn't be bothered with the facts.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your own link proves the Muslims started the war. Wanna try again?

False

From the link....

Holy Land Pilgrimage
What was the Cause for the Crusades?
The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusade.

there were several causes given in that link you pick the one that fits your narrow pov as if it was the only reason.
That makes your answer false.
The incident you sourced was part of a chain of events which caused the crusades.
But obviously you couldn't be bothered with the facts.

The FACT is that the sack of Jerusalem was part and parcel of the reason for the crusades. Further the Muslims were attacking Byzantium which was Christian at the time. The Muslims started it and the result was the Crusades, pretending otherwise might make it easier to bash Christians but it is not truthful nor factual. Your own link says so.

 

[daws101]

Your own link proves the Muslims started the war. Wanna try again?

False

From the link....

Holy Land Pilgrimage
What was the Cause for the Crusades?
The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusade.

there were several causes given in that link you pick the one that fits your narrow pov as if it was the only reason.
That makes your answer false.
The incident you sourced was part of a chain of events which caused the crusades.
But obviously you couldn't be bothered with the facts.

The FACT is that the sack of Jerusalem was part and parcel of the reason for the crusades. Further the Muslims were attacking Byzantium which was Christian at the time. The Muslims started it and the result was the Crusades, pretending otherwise might make it easier to bash Christians but it is not truthful nor factual. Your own link says so.

False as i said before There several causes for the crusades the article listed them under the link "cause of the crusades" not my fault if you wish to remain ignorant.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your own link proves the Muslims started the war. Wanna try again?

False

From the link....

Holy Land Pilgrimage
What was the Cause for the Crusades?
The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusade.

there were several causes given in that link you pick the one that fits your narrow pov as if it was the only reason.
That makes your answer false.
The incident you sourced was part of a chain of events which caused the crusades.
But obviously you couldn't be bothered with the facts.

The FACT is that the sack of Jerusalem was part and parcel of the reason for the crusades. Further the Muslims were attacking Byzantium which was Christian at the time. The Muslims started it and the result was the Crusades, pretending otherwise might make it easier to bash Christians but it is not truthful nor factual. Your own link says so.

False as i said before There several causes for the crusades the article listed them under the link "cause of the crusades" not my fault if you wish to remain ignorant.

Retard alert, The Pope agreed to help Byzantium because it was attacked by Muslims, and they sacked Jerusalem. Once again you can ignore facts all you want it doesn't mean they are not true.

 

[daws101]

False

From the link....

Holy Land Pilgrimage
What was the Cause for the Crusades?
The reason for the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial and was visited by Pilgrims. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks and 3000 Christians were massacred starting a chain of events which contributed to the cause of the crusade.

there were several causes given in that link you pick the one that fits your narrow pov as if it was the only reason.
That makes your answer false.
The incident you sourced was part of a chain of events which caused the crusades.
But obviously you couldn't be bothered with the facts.

The FACT is that the sack of Jerusalem was part and parcel of the reason for the crusades. Further the Muslims were attacking Byzantium which was Christian at the time. The Muslims started it and the result was the Crusades, pretending otherwise might make it easier to bash Christians but it is not truthful nor factual. Your own link says so.

False as i said before There several causes for the crusades the article listed them under the link "cause of the crusades" not my fault if you wish to remain ignorant.

Retard alert, The Pope agreed to help Byzantium because it was attacked by Muslims, and they sacked Jerusalem. Once again you can ignore facts all you want it doesn't mean they are not true.

Somebody's ignoring facts and it's not me.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

From the link....

there were several causes given in that link you pick the one that fits your narrow pov as if it was the only reason.
That makes your answer false.
The incident you sourced was part of a chain of events which caused the crusades.
But obviously you couldn't be bothered with the facts.

The FACT is that the sack of Jerusalem was part and parcel of the reason for the crusades. Further the Muslims were attacking Byzantium which was Christian at the time. The Muslims started it and the result was the Crusades, pretending otherwise might make it easier to bash Christians but it is not truthful nor factual. Your own link says so.

False as i said before There several causes for the crusades the article listed them under the link "cause of the crusades" not my fault if you wish to remain ignorant.

Retard alert, The Pope agreed to help Byzantium because it was attacked by Muslims, and they sacked Jerusalem. Once again you can ignore facts all you want it doesn't mean they are not true.

Somebody's ignoring facts and it's not me.

Lets see the FACT is that Byzantium was a Christian Country. Jerusalem was a Christian enclave and that Muslims attacked both. The FACT is that the Pope, in an effort to aid and strengthen the Catholic Church called the first crusade and those after it to fight Muslims attacking Byzantium and that sacked Jerusalem. The one ignoring facts is in fact you retard.

 

[daws101]

there were several causes given in that link you pick the one that fits your narrow pov as if it was the only reason.
That makes your answer false.
The incident you sourced was part of a chain of events which caused the crusades.
But obviously you couldn't be bothered with the facts.

The FACT is that the sack of Jerusalem was part and parcel of the reason for the crusades. Further the Muslims were attacking Byzantium which was Christian at the time. The Muslims started it and the result was the Crusades, pretending otherwise might make it easier to bash Christians but it is not truthful nor factual. Your own link says so.

False as i said before There several causes for the crusades the article listed them under the link "cause of the crusades" not my fault if you wish to remain ignorant.

Retard alert, The Pope agreed to help Byzantium because it was attacked by Muslims, and they sacked Jerusalem. Once again you can ignore facts all you want it doesn't mean they are not true.

Somebody's ignoring facts and it's not me.

Lets see the FACT is that Byzantium was a Christian Country. Jerusalem was a Christian enclave and that Muslims attacked both. The FACT is that the Pope, in an effort to aid and strengthen the Catholic Church called the first crusade and those after it to fight Muslims attacking Byzantium and that sacked Jerusalem. The one ignoring facts is in fact you retard.