Republicans: why raising taxes on the wealthy is good for the economy

[sealybobo]

It's not a post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. It's a refutation of the right wing fallacy that lowering taxes always generates economic growth.

Red herring fallacy. No one claims lowering any tax will always produce growth.
Libs are stupid.

You guys do it all the fucking time. Either that or take the tack on how unfair it is that some people have to pay more taxes than others.

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

Because lower tax rates generally create incentives to work harder and keep more of the money you make. Higher income people working harder creates opportunities for lower income people to earn more. THis is pretty elemental. Except if you're stupid.

Are you saying rich people could be more productive if we would just stop taxing them so much?

The rich are doing great you idiot! My brother just bought some property because he's sitting on cash and banks aren't giving shit. He didn't start a business or hire anyone.

On the other hand the real estate guy made a commission.

All I know is my brother doesn't work 500 x harder than his employees but he does make 500x more. They need to give some of that to his employees. Why do the ceo's and vp"'s think they deserve all the spoils.

Didn't pirate captains share their booty with their crew?

Stop crying about what's fair. What works is what you should be asking. Spread the wealth. Its not socialism. They can still make 400x or 300x more than us but 500x doesn't work.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why is it the ONLY factor liberals consider is taxes when it comes to economic growth?
You dumb fucks always talk about post WWII and pretend like the only thing that's changed since then are the tax rates.

Ps. The op is a moron.

 

[JoeNormal]

It's not a post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. It's a refutation of the right wing fallacy that lowering taxes always generates economic growth.

Red herring fallacy. No one claims lowering any tax will always produce growth.
Libs are stupid.

You guys do it all the fucking time. Either that or take the tack on how unfair it is that some people have to pay more taxes than others.

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

I live in NYS.....I pay 8.5% tax on every item I buy. During tax year 2013 my wife and I paid over 25K in state tax. My real estate tax is over 12K. I don't complain, I just pay. So far this winter, I lost one wheel and tire to a pothole and my son threw his alignment out of whack in another pothole. To date, both potholes are still there. The county claims "no money"...
However, the DPW has the exact staff with their annual increases in place as they have had for the last 3 years.
The county courthouse was completely redone this year...with all new furniture, moving sidewalks, etc....with, of course, added parking that now costs 25 cents for 15 minutes (it used to be free)......
I say lower taxes if I am not going to get the services my taxes are collected for. Seems the tax money is being spent in the wrong places.

Well, my area isn't immune to misplaced expenditures either so I guess I can feel your pain to some extent. However, I can remember a time when taxes were much lower and the roads were consistently (not just occasionally) horrible.

 

[Jarhead]

WalMart subsidizes the government by providing income to people who otherwise would be totally dependent on government for livelihood.

Yet they can make the Waltons billions. Sorry but no thanks communist.

WalMart hires people and pays them wages. What is communist about that? The opposite.

They are subsidized by the government. They are increasing government dependence. You that dumb? If you want small government then business needs to support workers, not government.

So exactly how would you enforce a law where companies have to pay their employees more so they are no longer on the government dole? Answer....government would enforce that law.....so it seems your reason for having a law is to decrease government while the law actually increases government in a different area.
No gain....jut more government intervention.
So your idea fails.

Simple, in a nut shell and through propaganda and rhetoric manufactured for that legal purpose; supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost. For some on the left, that means employing socialism to merely Use capitalism for all of its worth through full employment of resources in any given market, as a bailout.

In one alternative, we could use existing legal and physical infrastructure to bailout those who are unemployed, with unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States. The supply side economics paradigm of better governance at lower cost suggests that we should solve for as many social dilemmas as possible at the same time. Thus, we should be solving for simple poverty to end the cost of our exorbitantly expensive War on Poverty, and correcting for the deleterious effects of capitalism's laissez-fare laziness regarding its, Natural Rate of Unemployment.

Would such not be more likely to achieve the intended success if left to the states and leave the federal government out of it?

As I said in an earlier post, I do not complain when I pay state taxes. After all, I choose to live in NY. I accept any consequences, be them good or undesirable.

I have a serious issue with the federal tax system. And we are fooling ourselves if we believe we can streamline the federal government in the interest of efficiency.

 

[sealybobo]

Simply because we can use the money to build infrastructure, fund our science programs and support the best r&d! Plus, we can pay our police better The right wants something for nothing, while kissing the 1% ass.

This is a good fundraiser idea. Have the 1% at a convention where adoring right wing working stiffs can stand in line and pay good money to kiss their asses. Have wi fi available so right wing posters on this site don't have to be absent from posting too long.

we don't kiss the asses of the 1%. We admire their success and strive to achieve the success they worked hard to achieve.

Folks like you are jealous of the 1%. That is quite obvious.

You are impressed they were able to take over our democracy and rig the rules in their favor ultimately making it harder for you to get ahead.

 

[sealybobo]

You guys do it all the fucking time. Either that or take the tack on how unfair it is that some people have to pay more taxes than others.

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

Because lower tax rates generally create incentives to work harder and keep more of the money you make. Higher income people working harder creates opportunities for lower income people to earn more. THis is pretty elemental. Except if you're stupid.

Trickle down doesn't work. And your thinking is flawed.

Letting people keep more of their own money always works.

What you take home after taxes is yours. We just think you need to pay more taxes. Not you but your slave masters.

 

[Jarhead]

Red herring fallacy. No one claims lowering any tax will always produce growth.
Libs are stupid.

You guys do it all the fucking time. Either that or take the tack on how unfair it is that some people have to pay more taxes than others.

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

I live in NYS.....I pay 8.5% tax on every item I buy. During tax year 2013 my wife and I paid over 25K in state tax. My real estate tax is over 12K. I don't complain, I just pay. So far this winter, I lost one wheel and tire to a pothole and my son threw his alignment out of whack in another pothole. To date, both potholes are still there. The county claims "no money"...
However, the DPW has the exact staff with their annual increases in place as they have had for the last 3 years.
The county courthouse was completely redone this year...with all new furniture, moving sidewalks, etc....with, of course, added parking that now costs 25 cents for 15 minutes (it used to be free)......
I say lower taxes if I am not going to get the services my taxes are collected for. Seems the tax money is being spent in the wrong places.

Well, my area isn't immune to misplaced expenditures either so I guess I can feel your pain to some extent. However, I can remember a time when taxes were much lower and the roads were consistently (not just occasionally) horrible.

true....as I said, I do not complain about state taxes overall. As long as they are being used properly. If I find they are not year after year, I may move to a different state. However, I have a serious issue with federal taxes. Our federal government has more waste in one day than all states combined in a year....but I guess that is another topic for a different thread.

 

[Jarhead]

Red herring fallacy. No one claims lowering any tax will always produce growth.
Libs are stupid.

You guys do it all the fucking time. Either that or take the tack on how unfair it is that some people have to pay more taxes than others.

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

I live in NYS.....I pay 8.5% tax on every item I buy. During tax year 2013 my wife and I paid over 25K in state tax. My real estate tax is over 12K. I don't complain, I just pay. So far this winter, I lost one wheel and tire to a pothole and my son threw his alignment out of whack in another pothole. To date, both potholes are still there. The county claims "no money"...
However, the DPW has the exact staff with their annual increases in place as they have had for the last 3 years.
The county courthouse was completely redone this year...with all new furniture, moving sidewalks, etc....with, of course, added parking that now costs 25 cents for 15 minutes (it used to be free)......
I say lower taxes if I am not going to get the services my taxes are collected for. Seems the tax money is being spent in the wrong places.

In New York it goes towards the retirements of the workers, due to funding fuck-ups the past 2 decades.

Also, a minor correction, you don't pay sales tax on food and clothes under $125.00.

as for food...the tax exemption goes beyond the amount...it takes into consideration factors such as "intended place of consumption", heated or frozen, etc...but yes, I likely "save" $100 a week on tax exempt food.
As for clothes, I have a wife, Enough said with the $125 thing.

 

[Jarhead]

Red herring fallacy. No one claims lowering any tax will always produce growth.
Libs are stupid.

You guys do it all the fucking time. Either that or take the tack on how unfair it is that some people have to pay more taxes than others.

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

Because lower tax rates generally create incentives to work harder and keep more of the money you make. Higher income people working harder creates opportunities for lower income people to earn more. THis is pretty elemental. Except if you're stupid.

That's a fairy tale. At some point, gaining more wealth becomes nothing more than a game and I've never heard of anyone quitting or even retiring early because they had to pay taxes. They'd be more likely to retire early if they met their financial goals sooner because they were able to skip on taxes.

Actually, I ran a temporary employment agency. Many would pass on "assignments" as they would do the math....and invariably, the math would include....I get 10 an hour off the books to watch my sisters kid.....or...I get 10 bucks an hour off the books to bang up sheetrock for my brother in law.

 

[JoeNormal]

Why is it the ONLY factor liberals consider is taxes when it comes to economic growth?
You dumb fucks always talk about post WWII and pretend like the only thing that's changed since then are the tax rates.

Ps. The op is a moron.

One of the post WWII conditions that was much more positive is that the top tier earned a much smaller wage differential than the lower classes. Back then, conspicuous consumption seemed to be in somewhat bad taste. No longer. Now these greedy mutherfuckers don't care it they take home 1000x the average and don't mind if they have to outsource everyone under them to do it.

If I had my way, there would be a maximum wage of 20x the average in that company. The top dogs could make as much as they wanted but they'd have to raise the tide for everybody to do it.

 

[danielpalos]

I believe unemployment compensation should be done through general taxes on corporations ostensibly, for the market based metrics.

 

[martybegan]

You guys do it all the fucking time. Either that or take the tack on how unfair it is that some people have to pay more taxes than others.

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

I live in NYS.....I pay 8.5% tax on every item I buy. During tax year 2013 my wife and I paid over 25K in state tax. My real estate tax is over 12K. I don't complain, I just pay. So far this winter, I lost one wheel and tire to a pothole and my son threw his alignment out of whack in another pothole. To date, both potholes are still there. The county claims "no money"...
However, the DPW has the exact staff with their annual increases in place as they have had for the last 3 years.
The county courthouse was completely redone this year...with all new furniture, moving sidewalks, etc....with, of course, added parking that now costs 25 cents for 15 minutes (it used to be free)......
I say lower taxes if I am not going to get the services my taxes are collected for. Seems the tax money is being spent in the wrong places.

In New York it goes towards the retirements of the workers, due to funding fuck-ups the past 2 decades.

Also, a minor correction, you don't pay sales tax on food and clothes under $125.00.

as for food...the tax exemption goes beyond the amount...it takes into consideration factors such as "intended place of consumption", heated or frozen, etc...but yes, I likely "save" $100 a week on tax exempt food.
As for clothes, I have a wife, Enough said with the $125 thing.

Lol, yeah I have a fiancee and I can see that.

I balance it out with my $25 jeans and $10 t-shirts from target.

 

[martybegan]

Why is it the ONLY factor liberals consider is taxes when it comes to economic growth?
You dumb fucks always talk about post WWII and pretend like the only thing that's changed since then are the tax rates.

Ps. The op is a moron.

One of the post WWII conditions that was much more positive is that the top tier earned a much smaller wage differential than the lower classes. Back then, conspicuous consumption seemed to be in somewhat bad taste. No longer. Now these greedy mutherfuckers don't care it they take home 1000x the average and don't mind if they have to outsource everyone under them to do it.

If I had my way, there would be a maximum wage of 20x the average in that company. The top dogs could make as much as they wanted but they'd have to raise the tide for everybody to do it.

That is basically impossible, so what you really would want is a salary cap.

Also, if you had your way you would be a fascist with that position.

 

[martybegan]

Nope.
Mere assertion fallacy.
Rabbi Rules! Chewck my sig line.

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

Because lower tax rates generally create incentives to work harder and keep more of the money you make. Higher income people working harder creates opportunities for lower income people to earn more. THis is pretty elemental. Except if you're stupid.

Trickle down doesn't work. And your thinking is flawed.

Letting people keep more of their own money always works.

What you take home after taxes is yours. We just think you need to pay more taxes. Not you but your slave masters.

What the government takes in the form of taxes is ALSO mine, I fucking earned it, not the government.

 

[Brain357]

Hey, lets clear up something right now...That Walmart= welfare collecting employees is a bunch of nonsense.

WalMart subsidizes the government by providing income to people who otherwise would be totally dependent on government for livelihood.

Yet they can make the Waltons billions. Sorry but no thanks communist.

WalMart hires people and pays them wages. What is communist about that? The opposite.

They are subsidized by the government. They are increasing government dependence. You that dumb? If you want small government then business needs to support workers, not government.

So exactly how would you enforce a law where companies have to pay their employees more so they are no longer on the government dole? Answer....government would enforce that law.....so it seems your reason for having a law is to decrease government while the law actually increases government in a different area.
No gain....jut more government intervention.
So your idea fails.

First I didn't say I would pass a law. But if one were going to do that they would increase the minimum wage. We already enforce one so no it wouldn't increase the size of government.

 

[JoeNormal]

Why is it the ONLY factor liberals consider is taxes when it comes to economic growth?
You dumb fucks always talk about post WWII and pretend like the only thing that's changed since then are the tax rates.

Ps. The op is a moron.

One of the post WWII conditions that was much more positive is that the top tier earned a much smaller wage differential than the lower classes. Back then, conspicuous consumption seemed to be in somewhat bad taste. No longer. Now these greedy mutherfuckers don't care it they take home 1000x the average and don't mind if they have to outsource everyone under them to do it.

If I had my way, there would be a maximum wage of 20x the average in that company. The top dogs could make as much as they wanted but they'd have to raise the tide for everybody to do it.

That is basically impossible, so what you really would want is a salary cap.

Also, if you had your way you would be a fascist with that position.

Generally, it's the right wingers that say there are no limits to productivity. Are you saying there are?

 

[Brain357]

While the Waltons make billions off their labor? How generous of you. The government should not subsidize their labor.

The Walton's took the risk of starting the business, running it, and potentially having it fail if they fuck up. They are entitled to the profits. If you think you can do better vis a vis paying workers a better wage while doing the same thing, get off your ass and start up Brain-Mart.

Yes they can profit what they want if they aren't subsidized by the government. But since they are increasing the size of government it is a problem. How about the government takes over Walmart? That is the next step.

The services were already there and paid for. They would be there even more without low level jobs like those provided by wal-mart. Again, they are a stepping stone to getting off government aid entirely.

And your last statement just shows you are a communist fuckwad who needs to FOAD.

Actually you seem to be the communist. You approve of government dependency. You think it's great the Waltons make billions while their employees are government subsidized. Sounds like a communist to me. I'm the one who wants smaller government.

Bullshit. You love yourself some government dick.

Slurp Slurp Slurp.

Clearly you do.

 

[Brain357]

They are subsidized by the government. They are increasing government dependence. You that dumb? If you want small government then business needs to support workers, not government.

They subsidize the government. How stupid are you? If WalMart didnt pay wages the gov't would foot the bill for these people. How is hiring someone increasing gov't dependence? You sound like a retard.

Let me explain. Walmart pays below poverty wages. Their employees get foodstamps. Then they spend the foodstamps at Walmart.

Understand now?

Let me explain: WalMart hires people and pays them wages. If they didnt hire them, they'd be unemployed and drawing unemployment or welfare in addition to food stamps.
Understand now?

If Walmart doesn't hire them the Waltons make no money. So how about they pay enough they aren't on welfare?

Again, if it is so easy get off your ass and start a business that follows your model.

Sure. I'll just inherit it all like they did then not work.

 

[Brain357]

Well we are leaving the Waltons to decide now and while they make billions, employees are on welfare. Greed wins. What I suggest would give them incentive to do the right thing. Clearly they won't do that on their own.

They have a business that provides products to people at reasonable prices, and employs people at the low to end range of the spectrum.

That isn't enough for you?

They are making billions while increasing government dependence. I think that is a problem. I guess you like big government.

You see creating dependence. I see people who would be on government assistance ANYWAY being given a chance to prove their work skills and get a better job that gets them off assistance entirely.

While the Waltons make billions off their labor? How generous of you. The government should not subsidize their labor.

The federal government doesn't subsidize their labor.

Yes they do. They pay so little employees are on welfare. Walmart should be paying enough they aren't on welfare.

 

[Brain357]

Uh huh. So refresh my memory, why is it that you think lowering taxes would be desirable?

Because lower tax rates generally create incentives to work harder and keep more of the money you make. Higher income people working harder creates opportunities for lower income people to earn more. THis is pretty elemental. Except if you're stupid.

Trickle down doesn't work. And your thinking is flawed.

Letting people keep more of their own money always works.

What you take home after taxes is yours. We just think you need to pay more taxes. Not you but your slave masters.

What the government takes in the form of taxes is ALSO mine, I fucking earned it, not the government.

The government needs it so they can pay Walmart workers so the Waltons can make billions.