Rigged Elections and Voter Fraud - how common is fraud? Not very.

[g5000]

Not in every case, it hasn't. The courts have ruled some states' Voter ID laws are too restrictive.

True, but requiring ID to vote in general is not unconstitutional.

The courts have said they are not unconstitutional, but they also have said they accomplish nothing. You can make a law to do 10 jumping jacks before you vote, with waivers for the handicapped, and it would be constitutional, too. But if I claimed jumping jacks made voting more secure, you would instantly understand what a stupid claim that would be.

It's just too bad the rubes have not caught on that Voter ID is as effective as jumping jacks. They have been given a false sense of security which actually aids and abets voter fraud.

 

[OKTexas]

Tell ya what, let's require proof of citizenship and proper ID for one election and see what happens to the numbers showing up to vote. Deal?

Quite a few states have had Voter ID for some time now. And it has not stopped the types of fraud which occur. I've been pointing it out to you tards for a long time. Years.

But they still aren't allowed to verify citizenship for voter registration. The system is designed to encourage fraud.

Which states forbid citizenship verification?

Federal law prevents it, the courts have said, the affirmation of citizenship on the registration form is all that is required.

Supreme Court says states may not add citizenship proof for voter registration

 

[HnL]

For Democrats, yes, because without any safeguards, they can continue voting fraudulently.

Nice of you to share your hallucination. In order to continue something, it had to be done in the past. And there is zero evidence of in person voter impersonation in Ohio. But nice try.

How could I possibly get caught?

You are talking about voter REGISTRATION fraud. Are you seriously claiming that voter REGISTRATION fraud is a significant problem in Ohio?

 

[g5000]

How do we know Voter ID is as effective as jumping jacks at preventing voter fraud?

We know because the Voter ID rubes have posted HUNDREDS of voter fraud topics on this forum, bleeving they are proving Voter ID is necessary. And in every single case, the fraud involved absentee ballots or poll worker fraud. And in almost every case, the fraud they get all hot and bothered about occurred in a Voter ID state! The dumb fucks don't even realize they are proving the complete ineffectiveness of the very thing they are defending.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times. We need to tighten up the registration process and stop wasting taxpayer dollars on a completely ineffective government program.

When you get your driver's license, you have to establish your citizenship. At that point, you should automatically be registered to vote. "Motor voter laws" are great at achieving this.

So automatically register people to vote who really don't care about voting, probably know nothing about politics and issues, and couldn't even tell you what party had leadership of the Congress.

The way I see it, we have way too many uninformed people voting as it is. We certainly don't need more of them--if anything, less of them.

 

[Rustic]

How do we know Voter ID is as effective as jumping jacks at preventing voter fraud?

We know because the Voter ID rubes have posted HUNDREDS of voter fraud topics on this forum, bleeving they are proving Voter ID is necessary. And in every single case, the fraud involved absentee ballots or poll worker fraud. And in almost every case, the fraud they get all hot and bothered about occurred in a Voter ID state! The dumb fucks don't even realize they are proving the complete ineffectiveness of the very thing they are defending.

The voting here in this country is very much like a banana republic

 

[g5000]

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times. We need to tighten up the registration process and stop wasting taxpayer dollars on a completely ineffective government program.

When you get your driver's license, you have to establish your citizenship. At that point, you should automatically be registered to vote. "Motor voter laws" are great at achieving this.

So automatically register people to vote who really don't care about voting, probably know nothing about politics and issues, and couldn't even tell you what party had leadership of the Congress.

The way I see it, we have way too many uninformed people voting as it is. We certainly don't need more of them--if anything, less of them.

Thanks for showing us how un-American you are.

You are confirming the theory that pseudocons are opposed to universal suffrage and all for disenfranchisement.

 

[Rustic]

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times. We need to tighten up the registration process and stop wasting taxpayer dollars on a completely ineffective government program.

When you get your driver's license, you have to establish your citizenship. At that point, you should automatically be registered to vote. "Motor voter laws" are great at achieving this.

So automatically register people to vote who really don't care about voting, probably know nothing about politics and issues, and couldn't even tell you what party had leadership of the Congress.

The way I see it, we have way too many uninformed people voting as it is. We certainly don't need more of them--if anything, less of them.

Thanks for showing us how un-American you are.

You are confirming the theory that pseudocons are opposed to universal suffrage and all for disenfranchisement.

Conservatives/libertarians have zero representation in Washington DC… Fact

 

[Redpath]

The GOP/Republicans have committed untold numbers of rigging and fraud and still are.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Tell ya what, let's require proof of citizenship and proper ID for one election and see what happens to the numbers showing up to vote. Deal?

Quite a few states have had Voter ID for some time now. And it has not stopped the types of fraud which occur. I've been pointing it out to you tards for a long time. Years.

But they still aren't allowed to verify citizenship for voter registration. The system is designed to encourage fraud.

Which states forbid citizenship verification?

Federal law prevents it, the courts have said, the affirmation of citizenship on the registration form is all that is required.

Supreme Court says states may not add citizenship proof for voter registration

You are required under penalty of law to affirm that you are a citizen.

 

[Rustic]

Tell ya what, let's require proof of citizenship and proper ID for one election and see what happens to the numbers showing up to vote. Deal?

Quite a few states have had Voter ID for some time now. And it has not stopped the types of fraud which occur. I've been pointing it out to you tards for a long time. Years.

But they still aren't allowed to verify citizenship for voter registration. The system is designed to encourage fraud.

Which states forbid citizenship verification?

Federal law prevents it, the courts have said, the affirmation of citizenship on the registration form is all that is required.

Supreme Court says states may not add citizenship proof for voter registration

You are required under penalty of law to affirm that you are a citizen.

Na, this is a banana republic anybody can vote...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

For Democrats, yes, because without any safeguards, they can continue voting fraudulently.

Nice of you to share your hallucination. In order to continue something, it had to be done in the past. And there is zero evidence of in person voter impersonation in Ohio. But nice try.

How could I possibly get caught?

You are talking about voter REGISTRATION fraud. Are you seriously claiming that voter REGISTRATION fraud is a significant problem in Ohio?

Nice of you to share your hallucination. In order to continue something, it had to be done in the past. And there is zero evidence of in person voter impersonation in Ohio. But nice try.

Ohio nun pleads guilty to voter fraud; avoids prison

 

[g5000]

For Democrats, yes, because without any safeguards, they can continue voting fraudulently.

Nice of you to share your hallucination. In order to continue something, it had to be done in the past. And there is zero evidence of in person voter impersonation in Ohio. But nice try.

How could I possibly get caught?

You are talking about voter REGISTRATION fraud. Are you seriously claiming that voter REGISTRATION fraud is a significant problem in Ohio?

Nice of you to share your hallucination. In order to continue something, it had to be done in the past. And there is zero evidence of in person voter impersonation in Ohio. But nice try.

Ohio nun pleads guilty to voter fraud; avoids prison

Thank you for proving me right again. See post 84.

That nun committed absentee ballot fraud, not in person fraud.

And Ohio has very strict Voter ID laws.

TA-DAAAAAAAA!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Quite a few states have had Voter ID for some time now. And it has not stopped the types of fraud which occur. I've been pointing it out to you tards for a long time. Years.

But they still aren't allowed to verify citizenship for voter registration. The system is designed to encourage fraud.

Which states forbid citizenship verification?

Federal law prevents it, the courts have said, the affirmation of citizenship on the registration form is all that is required.

Supreme Court says states may not add citizenship proof for voter registration

You are required under penalty of law to affirm that you are a citizen.

Na, this is a banana republic anybody can vote...

So you deny that it's a violation of federal law to falsely claim citizenship on a voter registration card?

good one.

 

[Redpath]

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times. We need to tighten up the registration process and stop wasting taxpayer dollars on a completely ineffective government program.

When you get your driver's license, you have to establish your citizenship. At that point, you should automatically be registered to vote. "Motor voter laws" are great at achieving this.

So automatically register people to vote who really don't care about voting, probably know nothing about politics and issues, and couldn't even tell you what party had leadership of the Congress.

The way I see it, we have way too many uninformed people voting as it is. We certainly don't need more of them--if anything, less of them.

Why do so many right wingers want to end the US Constitution? I've even seen where some believe only those who own property should be allowed to vote.

People like this do not value their own country.

 

[WelfareQueen]

We have Donald Trump and his zealots already paving the way for allegations of mass fraud and rigged elections.

Based on what evidence? Almost none.

Everytime Trump drops in the polls, he pulls out the fraud card. It's never his own doing -

• the Media is against him (never mind the fact that they never pressed him very hard on his lies);

• the Clintons are rigging it (never mind the fact that there is no evidence of that happening and rigging a national election is next to impossible in this country).

• Voter fraud - this, based on a handful of allegations, a lack of actual evidence, and over the years precious few convictions.

So somehow all this - not the man's character, not his lack of any sort of filter, not his policies or actions - are losing him the election. It's utter madness and logic


Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

These warnings are not new and not supported by evidence; they defy numerous studies that have found that voter fraud is minimal.

They also invite a question: If the election is rigged, who is doing the rigging?

Presidential elections are conducted on a state-by-state basis, not nationally. And in most of the states seen as presidential battlegrounds, the chief elections officers are Republicans — most directly accountable to their state's voters.

• In Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Utah, the chief elections officer of the state is a Republican, elected by voters of the state. Most are secretary of state; Utah’s lieutenant governor oversees elections there.
• In Florida, the secretary of state is appointed by the state’s Republican governor, Rick Scott — a Trump supporter.
• In North Carolina, the state board of elections has five members, appointed by the governor — currently a Republican. Its current chairman and three out of five members are Republicans.

There are states with some measure of Democratic control over the process.

• In Minnesota and Missouri, the chief elections officer is a Democrat elected by the voters of the state.
• Pennsylvania’s secretary of state was appointed by the state’s Democratic governor.
• New Hampshire’s longtime secretary of state was once a Democrat, but was reelected to his post by the Republican-led state legislature.
• Virginia’s Democratic governor, Terry McAuliffe — a longtime Clinton ally — appointed each member of that state’s three-person elections board.

Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It’s a GOP Myth

...The Washington Post’s “Wonkblog” offers a summary of studies and investigations that have examined the issue of voter fraud. These studies have been conducted by academic researchers, news organizations, and state governments. They all produced similar results: The massive “in person” voter fraud that Republicans claim is helping Democrats steal elections simply does not exist.


Out of all of the research cited in the story, the investigations conducted by various states are the most interesting, because they were conducted by states that are currently controlled by Republicans. For example, the Kansas secretary of state took a look at 84 million votes cast in 22 states, trying to find duplicate registrations. The result? They referred 14 cases to prosecutors. Fourteen. Out of 84 million votes.



North Carolina also participated in the multi-state voter “cross check” program. Their survey of 28 states turned up 765 people with the same names, birth dates, and whose Social Security numbers ended with the same four digits, who voted in North Carolina and another state, according to the Charlotte News and Observer. There is no word on how many, if any, of those people will be prosecuted. Even if all 765 were guilty of voter fraud, it is still a tiny percentage of the nearly seven million votes cast in North Carolina in 2012, and certainly not enough to sway the outcome of an election.


Iowa’s Republican secretary of state Matt Schultz spent two years, and over a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars, to find 117 possibly fraudulent votes, leading to only six convictions. Of those who were convicted, three were felons who believed that their right to vote had been restored.


Even though voter fraud does not exist on the level that Republicans claim that it does, there are instances of possible voter fraud in almost every election. Here are a few examples:

• Last year in Virginia, Adam Ward pleaded guilty to faking hundreds of signatures that were needed for Newt Gingrich to be eligible to appear on the state’s primary election ballot.
• In 2012, Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state was convicted of six felony counts of voter fraud.
• Also in 2012, four staffers of Michigan Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter were found guilty of forging over 1500 signatures in an attempt to qualify the congressman for the ballot.
• Wisconsin Tea Partier and Scott Walker supporter Robert Monroe has been charged with casting multiple ballots in several elections.

NO ONE claims it doesn't occur (despite misleading claims by some) - but it's very uncommon. Why is it uncommon? It's not a very successful way of throwing an election. People will always find examples to throw in as "proof" but so what? A handful out of millions of votes? And that is sufficient excuse to try and undermine our entire electoral integrity with this infectious madness?

Hell, the Democrats could have flown that flag with Gore vs Bush, called for violence and armed poll watchers. But this madness is new and the source is Trump. Everyone is "against him" - everyone is "biased" - the Dems, the media, the Republican establishment. Maybe it's not "Them" - maybe it's Trump himself who causing people to turn away. Ever think of that?

Vote fraud has been a major factor in multiple Presidential elections. Look up Benjamin Harrison for starters.

 

[Rustic]

But they still aren't allowed to verify citizenship for voter registration. The system is designed to encourage fraud.

Which states forbid citizenship verification?

Federal law prevents it, the courts have said, the affirmation of citizenship on the registration form is all that is required.

Supreme Court says states may not add citizenship proof for voter registration

You are required under penalty of law to affirm that you are a citizen.

Na, this is a banana republic anybody can vote...

So you deny that it's a violation of federal law to falsely claim citizenship on a voter registration card?

good one.

No one is checking... so who gives a shit?

 

[Redpath]

How do we know Voter ID is as effective as jumping jacks at preventing voter fraud?

We know because the Voter ID rubes have posted HUNDREDS of voter fraud topics on this forum, bleeving they are proving Voter ID is necessary. And in every single case, the fraud involved absentee ballots or poll worker fraud. And in almost every case, the fraud they get all hot and bothered about occurred in a Voter ID state! The dumb fucks don't even realize they are proving the complete ineffectiveness of the very thing they are defending.

The voting here in this country is very much like a banana republic

Actually of course, its anything but.

 

[HnL]

Ohio nun pleads guilty to voter fraud; avoids prison

The nun filled out an ABSENTEE BALLOT of another nun, who was a legally registered voter, but who DIED before the election.

This is rather easy to figure out. One only needs to check the obituaries.

 

[g5000]

How do we know Voter ID is as effective as jumping jacks at preventing voter fraud?

We know because the Voter ID rubes have posted HUNDREDS of voter fraud topics on this forum, bleeving they are proving Voter ID is necessary. And in every single case, the fraud involved absentee ballots or poll worker fraud. And in almost every case, the fraud they get all hot and bothered about occurred in a Voter ID state! The dumb fucks don't even realize they are proving the complete ineffectiveness of the very thing they are defending.

The voting here in this country is very much like a banana republic

Actually of course, its anything but.

Rustic thinks giving public air to the voices in his head makes them true. Ipse dixit.