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Bullshit.Yes you can and often for reasons outside your control. But it’s rare as least as far as true poverty is. Then we have to define poverty which is a real can of worms. I really don’t want to open that can.
You right wingers.Who does that?
I'm on the side of learning and data with out context does not encourage that.
The problem may be how we divide groups. All blacks in one group, ignoring the the fact that crime rates are often related to class, not race.
What do you mean you get crickets? I answered. You just ignored it.
I pointed out other reasons for failure to get out of poverty - lack of motivation, having little discipline, subpar intelligence, mental illness etc. - but a very big reason IS having babies one can’t afford when unmarried and failing to complete one’s education.
www.debt.org
Because it is not the only major reason and to insist that it deflecting from that.So when there’s such an obvious correlation between illegitimacy and poverty, and blacks have a 72% rate! - why keep saying, “well, there could be other reasons“ and thus deflect from a primary cause?
If I kept falling down the stairs because I’m hopping down on one foot, and it was pointed out that people who use both feet fall much less often, how is it helpful to say, “well maybe I’m falling a different reason. Maybe the stairs are uneven. Maybe I have vertigo.” Why not recognize that people using both feet do so much better, and start using both feet?
Your insistence on focusing on only one root cause and placing full blame on the individual, to the exclusion of others is conveniently simplistic. It doesn’t touch on lack of affordable jobs, high cost of higher education, lack of well paying jobs, shortage of full time jobs, high cost of medical care and lack of health insurance that are part of the overall pictures. If you want to reduce poverty, they need to be addressed (compare the US with other developed countries and we fall far short).Your insistence on deflecting from a major cause of poverty - high OOW birthrate, which is sky high among blacks - is failing to hold blacks responsible for their own ability to significantly reduce their poverty rate via their own actions.
Do you apply that to yourself?Sounds good. As long as you don't use it as an excuse to not look at information that makes you uncomfortable.
Or is politically problematic.
The black community and its culture is what produces black crime. Sorry, but the entire community is responsible for how that community behaves. It would be one thing if it was a few bad apples, but we are talking about wide spread violence.Collectivizing all blacks together for crimes they didn't personally commit, is racism and black guilt. It's ok to be black, blacks don't have to have black guilt for crimes they've never committed. Funny enough, the same people who cite 13/50, are the same ones who called Don Lemon a racist for saying that white men are the biggest domestic terror threat. By their own logic, they are racist then. This type of racism is mainstream, people try to rationalize their racism through the guise of "facts".
Nope. As usual you are wrong. You dont see the same level of violence in ultra poor white communities.Our failing culture is tied to our failing crony capitalist system. We have a culture that breeds violence, thanks in part to our economic system.
Do you hear about drive-by shootings in poor white neighborhoods? Appalachia is one of the poorest places in the nation. They dont have anything close to the murder rate of even average black communities, let alone the worst black communities. Poverty doesnt cause violence. Anti social sub cultures are what causes violence. Black culture is the issue and until it drastically changes, their crime rates will never diminish.What happens if you break it down by class? Do poor blacks commit more crimes than poor whites? Do middle class blacks commit more crime than middle class whites?
That’s because they’re doing fantastic in our failed culture.Nope. As usual you are wrong. You dont see the same level of violence in ultra poor white communities.
And yet here you are, collectivizing all right wingers together.You right wingers.
Easy enough to check. Organize the data both ways and see if the difference disappears.
Blues Mans and many like him, want to call people racist for even talking about it. That has been the normal for a long time now, adn the result is
1. Little serious discussion of issues.
2. Policy being driven by bad data.
3. People keep dying.
Which side are you on?
Do you hear about drive-by shootings in poor white neighborhoods? Appalachia is one of the poorest places in the nation. They dont have anything close to the murder rate of even average black communities, let alone the worst black communities.
It correlates with violence.Poverty doesnt cause violence.
"Black culture"...Anti social sub cultures are what causes violence. Black culture is the issue and until it drastically changes, their crime rates will never diminish.
You havent been paying attention our board black racist and white apologists all claim whites are to blame no matter what. Some how white people force black people to drop out and screw like rabbits.Take race out of the equation. Look at people who finish HS, who DO NOT have children out of wedlock, who get jobs and stay employed. Focus on married and/or committed couples. All of these things are within our control.
See how many of such people are living in poverty. As for everyone else, they are on their own. If you drop out, have illegitimate kids, don't get a job (they are ubiquitous right now), then you only have yourself to blame if your life is wretched.
Fuck race. Even talking about it is for losers.
I suspect he thinks all white people are racists.And yet here you are, collectivizing all right wingers together.
Hypocrite much? Lol.
Actually it is not "wide spread violence". Violent crime in a city tends to be concentrated in just few blocks of a few neighborhoods. Among less than 1% of a cities population. Yet another indicator that the "black culture" claim doesn't hold up.The black community and its culture is what produces black crime. Sorry, but the entire community is responsible for how that community behaves. It would be one thing if it was a few bad apples, but we are talking about wide spread violence.
www.bloomberg.com
I suspect he thinks all white people are racists.
It's probably higher more like 75% of murders.Collectivizing all blacks together for crimes they didn't personally commit, is racism and black guilt. It's ok to be black, blacks don't have to have black guilt for crimes they've never committed. Funny enough, the same people who cite 13/50, are the same ones who called Don Lemon a racist for saying that white men are the biggest domestic terror threat. By their own logic, they are racist then. This type of racism is mainstream, people try to rationalize their racism through the guise of "facts".
