Schumer's pipe dream, a trial with.....you know.....evidence.

[georgephillip]

Not Just One crime, but he was booted from The White House and has his clearance downgraded for Leaking classified Information on calls between The President Thailand, Australia and Mexico.

Did Thailand, Australia, or Mexico provide any information on Hunter Biden that Ukraine and China missed, Moron

The full scope of Trump's threat to US national security will probably never see the light of day; if it does, it will be decades after the useless eater dies in prison.

Trump–Ukraine scandal - Wikipedia

"Immediately after the Trump–Zelensky call ended, White House national security aides discussed their deep concerns, with at least one National Security Council (NSC) official alerting White House national security lawyers.[27][28]

"A text message between a State department envoy to Ukraine and a Ukrainian official showed the envoy understood from the White House that a Zelensky visit with Trump was contingent upon Ukraine's investigating a conspiracy theory about alleged Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[29]

"Records of the Trump–Zelensky call were moved from the system where presidential call transcripts are typically stored to a system reserved for the government's most sensitive secrets.[24][30][11][12]

"The Trump administration had also similarly restricted access to records of Trump's conversations with the leaders of China,[31] Russia, Saudi Arabia,[32] and Australia.[2]

"It was subsequently revealed that this placement was made for political rather than for national security reasons, which are the only valid reasons to use such a server.[33]"

 

[rightwinger]

How does the GOP justify coordinating the proceedings with the accused?

Yeah, how dare they allow him to mount a defense.

Moron.

There is no problem with Trump mounting a defense. I encourage him to testify

But having the Senate coordinate the trial with the White House violates the oath to be impartial

 

[rightwinger]

I think Trump deserves the same rights and protections that Clinton received

He didn't get that.

Clinton testified under oath....why doesn’t Trump?

 

[hadit]

Sounds like something the democrats should have done.

You mean like this?

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-IG00-D024.pdf

MR. GOLDMAN: This is the deposition of Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.

Mr. Mulvaney was subpoenaed to appear at 9:00 a.m.
It is 9:07 a.m. He is not here.

And then followed up in court to force testimony, but they did not do that. This is what happens when you try to unseat a president this close to an election. He can use the clock.

Why hold up the process for a year (and place it smack middle of election) when the bare fact of this Obstruction of Congressional Investigation is itself an impeachment Article and evidence of guilt??

To do this is to basically give a roadmap to future President crooks - avoid Congressional oversight by running out the clock.

Because there are legal remedies to resolve the issue.

Yes there are - file Articles for Abuse of Power and Obstruction to impeach a president who is shamelessly engaging in a wholesale cover up.

It took 8 months to get a ruling on McGhan testimony(surprise! he has to testify)...and now it will take god knows how long for appeal. It’s never ending.

It can be fast tracked to the SC. Remember the 2000 election? IOW, there are ways to make it happen legally. Not even trying, then complaining about it and demanding the Senate do it isn't one of them.

 

[georgephillip]

You can’t even get your gender right, nor figure out which bathroom to use so why should anyone listen to you?

Welcome to reality:

10 things Donald Trump got wrong about impeachment in 2019

"2. 'They gave the server to Crowdstrike or whatever it’s called, which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And I still want to see that server, you know the FBI has never gotten that server, that’s a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?'

"Hollow conspiracy theory. Crowdstrike is a California cybersecurity company that is owned by Americans, not anyone in Ukraine. The DNC hired the firm in 2016 after Russian agents hacked its servers.

"The notion that any servers –– the DNC’s or Hillary Clinton’s –– wound up in Ukraine is a myth, ginned up on internet sites like Reddit and 4chan."

 

[bripat9643]

Not Just One crime, but he was booted from The White House and has his clearance downgraded for Leaking classified Information on calls between The President Thailand, Australia and Mexico.

Did Thailand, Australia, or Mexico provide any information on Hunter Biden that Ukraine and China missed, Moron

The full scope of Trump's threat to US national security will probably never see the light of day; if it does, it will be decades after the useless eater dies in prison.

Trump–Ukraine scandal - Wikipedia

"Immediately after the Trump–Zelensky call ended, White House national security aides discussed their deep concerns, with at least one National Security Council (NSC) official alerting White House national security lawyers.[27][28]

"A text message between a State department envoy to Ukraine and a Ukrainian official showed the envoy understood from the White House that a Zelensky visit with Trump was contingent upon Ukraine's investigating a conspiracy theory about alleged Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[29]

"Records of the Trump–Zelensky call were moved from the system where presidential call transcripts are typically stored to a system reserved for the government's most sensitive secrets.[24][30][11][12]

"The Trump administration had also similarly restricted access to records of Trump's conversations with the leaders of China,[31] Russia, Saudi Arabia,[32] and Australia.[2]

"It was subsequently revealed that this placement was made for political rather than for national security reasons, which are the only valid reasons to use such a server.[33]"

Do you actually expect us to believe that you give a damn about American security?

 

[bripat9643]

I think Trump deserves the same rights and protections that Clinton received

He didn't get that.

Clinton testified under oath....why doesn’t Trump?

Clinton testified in a civil trial. He didn't testify before Congress. So why should Trump testify before Congress?

 

[bripat9643]

How does the GOP justify coordinating the proceedings with the accused?

Yeah, how dare they allow him to mount a defense.

Moron.

There is no problem with Trump mounting a defense. I encourage him to testify

But having the Senate coordinate the trial with the White House violates the oath to be impartial

No one gives a fuck, moron. The idea that Dims are impartial doesn't pass the laugh test.

 

[M14 Shooter]

He sure can. As a private lawyer working on behalf of te private client, Donald Trump.
I thought you said this was about enforcing laws? Seems like it’s more of a private matter, which is exactly what I’ve been saying.

Never mind the fact you have not explained to yourself or anyone else how or why the President's private lawyer can only represent the President in his persona/private issues, to the full exclusion of public or policy issues.

 

[Nostra]

Wants the Senate trial to be limited to only what the House presented. He says that’s only fair. He’s an idiot.



it was just on TV. I will add link as soon as it becomes available.

Thank Heaven he's not a majority in the Senate or this nation would be in serious trouble. /whew!

This nation is in trouble, elected officials take an oath that their loyalty is to the Constitution and the people of this country. Unfortunately Republicans in the Senate their loyalty is to Trump, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham have sold this country out.

Superbadbrutha do you have any outrage for all the Dimwinger Senators who announced hey would vote to impeach Trump even before the phone call?

 

[colfax_m]

He sure can. As a private lawyer working on behalf of te private client, Donald Trump.
I thought you said this was about enforcing laws? Seems like it’s more of a private matter, which is exactly what I’ve been saying.

Never mind the fact you have not explained to yourself or anyone else how or why the President's private lawyer can only represent the President in his persona/private issues, to the full exclusion of public or policy issues.

I don’t have to explain. Rudy has stated on the record he was acting solely as Trump’s private representative.

 

[Nostra]

Schumer dreamed he'd enjoy the same freedom Reid had, but fate intervened, and McConnell brushes him off like a busboy.

Mitch McConnell is nothing but a Trump Humpin Flunky.

and democrats are dishonest pieces of shit

Yep just like the dishonest POS republicans.

Nope take your TDS somewhere else

I know as a Trump Humper you can't see it.

"As a Trump Humper"....you finally admit your obsession.

 

[georgephillip]

It was their job to prove their case. They refused to wait for court decisions on Subpoenas and refused to allow GOP witnesses testify, refused to allow witnesses cross examined, because they wanted Impeachment under The Christmas Tree for Christmas.

Grinch Trump was stonewalling all subpoena requests for individuals and documents in hopes of running out the clock before next November. Do you suppose that has anything to do with statute of limitations restrictions over his pending Russian collusion/obstruction charges?

Michael Cohen: "Individual 1 is Donald J. Trump"

 

[Nostra]

Where's the House's evidence?

In Trump's phone call...

"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."​

All true, Biden was using Ukraine to launder US taxpayer money and no bribery or quid pro quo.

It's illegal for a candidate to solicit foreign aid for their campaign.

You mean, like when Hillary paid millions to Russia for a fake dossier to use against Trump?

Do you ever tell the truth about anything?

Your ignorance on the topic doesn't constitute a lie on my part, Dummy.

 

[Nostra]

If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?

It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.

Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!

Trump isn’t invoking his 5th amendment rights. He is preventing a constitutional process.

It was an analogy, Colfax! Trump is invoking his Executive Privilege rights. You have no more right to impeach him for that then a prosecutor has to bring charges against a citizen for invoking any of THEIR rights!

He's not invoking executive privilege either. He's not doing anything other than crumpling them up and throwing them in the shredder.

Answer me one question please.
What do you think would happen to you if your ignored a subpoena?

He ignored nothing. He challenged them in court, per our Constitution. Just because Dimwingere in a hurry to vote on their coup doesn't mean he is obstructing Congress.

Moron.

 

[Nostra]

Where's the House's evidence?

In Trump's phone call...

"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."​

All true, Biden was using Ukraine to launder US taxpayer money and no bribery or quid pro quo.

It's illegal for a candidate to solicit foreign aid for their campaign.

You mean, like when Hillary paid millions to Russia for a fake dossier to use against Trump?

Liar. Hillary didn't pay Russians. She paid Fusion GPS, an American firm.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

We call that money laundering, idiot.

 

[Nostra]

Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
The Senate Democratic leader wants to seek testimony from Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton and other White House officials, and subpoena documents the White House has withheld.
Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial

WASHINGTON — As the House prepared to make President Trump only the third president in American history to be impeached, the Senate’s top Democrat on Sunday laid out a detailed proposal for a Senate trial “in which all of the facts can be considered fully and fairly” — including subpoenas for documents the White House has withheld and witnesses it has prevented from testifying.

Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, presented the proposal in a letter to his Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, in an opening move to force Republicans to negotiate over the shape and scope of the proceedings. Mr. McConnell had said last week that he was “taking my cues” from the White House, prompting Democrats to accuse him of abandoning his duty to render “impartial justice” in the trial.

In the letter, Mr. Schumer proposed a trial beginning Jan. 7 that would give each side a fixed amount of time to present its case, and called for four top White House officials who have not previously testified — including Mick Mulvaney, Mr. Trump’s acting chief of staff, and John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser — to appear as witnesses.

Mr. Schumer also called for the Senate to subpoena documents that could shed light on the events at the heart of the charges against Mr. Trump: his campaign to enlist Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. And he set forth a specific timetable for each side to present its case, modeled on the one used when President Bill Clinton was tried in 1999. Mr. Clinton’s trial lasted about five weeks.
.....................................................................................................................................
Chuck should know better by now than to think McTurtle has an interest in anything approximating the kind of deliberative trial the Senate is obligated conduct. This is why it was so important for Trump's specious narrative of an unfair process in the House to have been spewed (just as it was equally important to make the similarly, objectively false accusations about the Mueller probe). All the trained seals repeat the sham process lie endlessly and will keep doing so all through the phony process Mitch is about to orchestrate in close consultation with the WH (Mitch has adopted the Trumpian strategy of violating rules, ethics, and law right out in the open). Why does McTreason think he can get away with it? Because he knows from experience The Following will swallow any ball of shit he feeds them. They rather like it.

Schumer is wanting the Senate to do what the house should have done. Produce evidence of a crime.

an impeachment is strictly political - it's not a criminal trial.

but why would stupid ass rw's give a fuk about that.

It's not up to the Jury to look for more evidence

there aint no jury u f'n DUMBASS !

The Senate is the jury in an impeachment, moron.

 

[Pogo]

Wants the Senate trial to be limited to only what the House presented. He says that’s only fair. He’s an idiot.



it was just on TV. I will add link as soon as it becomes available.

Actually the idea is to put up a link WHEN it becomes available. Before that it's just hot air connected to nothing. The void.

What's the point here anyway? Why WOULDN'T* such a trial be limited to what's presented? Where have you ever seen a trial that ventures off into shit not presented?

(* And no "would" still does not mean "wouldn't".)

You mean like the House impeachment that presented zero evidence of a crime and now MUST Drop the "obstruction" charge?

An impeachment isn't required to "present evidence of a crime". Besides which, no impeachment has even started. Therefore there's no "charge" to "drop".

Hell I ain't even paying attention and even I know that much. See, this is why I fired my TV long ago.

 

[Nostra]

there aint no jury u f'n DUMBASS !

The Senate you dumbfuck is the jury.

theres no jury, senate or otherwise -

youre a f'n IDIOT.

The Senate becomes jury and judge, except in the case of presidential impeachment trials when the chief justice of the United States presides. The Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and the penalty for an impeached official is removal from office.
U.S. Senate: Impeachment

too damn stupid to read your own post aint ya dumbass -

The Senate becomes jury and judge, except in the case of presidential impeachment trials

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO'H !

The Chief Justice job is not a jury his job as the source says is to preside over it
Which means the Senate is not the judge. It doesn't change the fact they still are the jury.
Gawh you're ignorant

The guy doesn't have 2 brain cells to rub together.

 

[Nostra]

They can, if the Republicans in charge allow them to.

Why wouldn't they allow testimony that explains how "perfect" the president acted?

Because they know that putting someone under oath in front of the howling mob isn't a wise thing when they don't have to.

They’d be questioned by the impeachment manager filling the role as prosecutor and I believe they’d be following the same rules as any witness in a trial that is managed by Roberts. A howling mob it most certainly is not.

It has far more to do with having to be under oath and the possibility that they might have to tell the truth.

That’s one hell of a scary thing for these thugs.

If the house case is too weak to proceed on it's own, perhaps the house should get their shit together before hand.

.

You guys are really worried about the truth coming out, aren’t you?

It's out. You have nothing. You lost.