Since the sexual past of Presidential spouses is up for grabs......

[tinydancer]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

What did Clinton do to her, exactly?

FALSE: Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist


Nothing. She did her job, reluctantly. In this country, we don't conflate the rapist with his legal defense. All are entitled to a defense. Don't like that? Move to North Korea.

Bull freaking shit. Reluctantly? Laughing about how she got him off? She lied and blamed the victim for seducing the rapist errrrrrrrrrrrr client.

 

[Lewdog]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

She's actually a grown up now...and I sympathise with her...but what did she expect Clinton to do.....or not do....her job as Public Defender?

Well we already know Hillary's reputation as a lawyer, ask the employer who fired her. So it's one thing to be a public defender, it's another thing to do it with ethical conduct.

The judge and prosecutor in the case said she handled the case with perfect ethical conduct. FACT.

Link?

 

[Rustic]

Let's invite Melanias past sexual partners to the next debate





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[GaryDog]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

What did Clinton do to her, exactly?

FALSE: Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist


Nothing. She did her job, reluctantly. In this country, we don't conflate the rapist with his legal defense. All are entitled to a defense. Don't like that? Move to North Korea.

Bull freaking shit. Reluctantly? Laughing about how she got him off? She lied and blamed the victim for seducing the rapist errrrrrrrrrrrr client.

She filed an affidavit to defend her client. Nothing untoward about that.

You can't prove what someone was "laughing" at, and it's a ridiculous thing to hypothesize about. Her comment was "this ruined my faith in polygraph tests" when her client passed one. The laugh was about the futility of polygraph tests, not the thought of the girl being raped.

 

[tinydancer]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

She's actually a grown up now...and I sympathise with her...but what did she expect Clinton to do.....or not do....her job as Public Defender?

Well we already know Hillary's reputation as a lawyer, ask the employer who fired her. So it's one thing to be a public defender, it's another thing to do it with ethical conduct.

The judge and prosecutor in the case said she handled the case with perfect ethical conduct. FACT.

Yeah. They don't want to get Vince Fostered.



Hillary accused the victim of seducing the 40 year old man.

 

[tinydancer]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

Actually she wanted her story to be heard.

"The victim in the 1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer has only spoken to the media once since her attack, a contested, short interaction with a reporter in 2008, during Clinton’s last presidential campaign run.

Now 52, she wants to speak out after hearing Clinton talk about her case on newly discovered audio recordings from the 1980s, unearthed by the Washington Free Beacon and made public this week.


In a long, emotional interview with The Daily Beast, she accused Clinton of intentionally lying about her in court documents, going to extraordinary lengths to discredit evidence of the rape, and later callously acknowledging and laughing about her attackers’ guilt on the recordings.

“Hillary Clinton took me through Hell,” the victim said."

It was the laughing that did it. She was revictimized sp? all over again.

Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says

I'm sorry but parading a raped child, whether a grown up now or not, in front of the nation as a trophy piece to win an election is not classy. Whether grown or not, emotional scars don't just heal like that, and what Trump did, certainly isn't something that is going to heal those scars. If anything, he is prolonging things, by building the vindictiveness out of the act.

No. It's a matter of allowing the victims of these people to get a chance to tell their stories.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

Actually she wanted her story to be heard.

"The victim in the 1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer has only spoken to the media once since her attack, a contested, short interaction with a reporter in 2008, during Clinton’s last presidential campaign run.

Now 52, she wants to speak out after hearing Clinton talk about her case on newly discovered audio recordings from the 1980s, unearthed by the Washington Free Beacon and made public this week.


In a long, emotional interview with The Daily Beast, she accused Clinton of intentionally lying about her in court documents, going to extraordinary lengths to discredit evidence of the rape, and later callously acknowledging and laughing about her attackers’ guilt on the recordings.

“Hillary Clinton took me through Hell,” the victim said."

It was the laughing that did it. She was revictimized sp? all over again.

Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says

I'm sorry but parading a raped child, whether a grown up now or not, in front of the nation as a trophy piece to win an election is not classy. Whether grown or not, emotional scars don't just heal like that, and what Trump did, certainly isn't something that is going to heal those scars. If anything, he is prolonging things, by building the vindictiveness out of the act.

But parading an impeached president is OK with you. Especially one guilty of lying to the American people and conducting himself with such dignity.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

She's actually a grown up now...and I sympathise with her...but what did she expect Clinton to do.....or not do....her job as Public Defender?

Were I a lawyer, I would refuse to defend anyone who even touched a child, let alone rape a child.

As a parent, to me, there is no more heinous crime than sexual abuse of children, those who commit such atrocities are complete wastes of human skin.

 

[Lewdog]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

Actually she wanted her story to be heard.

"The victim in the 1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer has only spoken to the media once since her attack, a contested, short interaction with a reporter in 2008, during Clinton’s last presidential campaign run.

Now 52, she wants to speak out after hearing Clinton talk about her case on newly discovered audio recordings from the 1980s, unearthed by the Washington Free Beacon and made public this week.


In a long, emotional interview with The Daily Beast, she accused Clinton of intentionally lying about her in court documents, going to extraordinary lengths to discredit evidence of the rape, and later callously acknowledging and laughing about her attackers’ guilt on the recordings.

“Hillary Clinton took me through Hell,” the victim said."

It was the laughing that did it. She was revictimized sp? all over again.

Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says

I'm sorry but parading a raped child, whether a grown up now or not, in front of the nation as a trophy piece to win an election is not classy. Whether grown or not, emotional scars don't just heal like that, and what Trump did, certainly isn't something that is going to heal those scars. If anything, he is prolonging things, by building the vindictiveness out of the act.

No. It's a matter of allowing the victims of these people to get a chance to tell their stories.

... and just like anything else in life, there is a right time and place for it. On the national stage at a Presidential Debate isn't the right time and place for it.

 

[tinydancer]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

What did Clinton do to her, exactly?

FALSE: Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist


Nothing. She did her job, reluctantly. In this country, we don't conflate the rapist with his legal defense. All are entitled to a defense. Don't like that? Move to North Korea.

Bull freaking shit. Reluctantly? Laughing about how she got him off? She lied and blamed the victim for seducing the rapist errrrrrrrrrrrr client.

She filed an affidavit to defend her client. Nothing untoward about that.

You can't prove what someone was "laughing" at, and it's a ridiculous thing to hypothesize about. Her comment was "this ruined my faith in polygraph tests" when her client passed one. The laugh was about the futility of polygraph tests, not the thought of the girl being raped.

Oh really? Here you are lecturing me on what she was laughing at while telling me I can't prove what she was laughing at. Special.

Oh and she lied in the affidavit.

 

[GaryDog]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

She's actually a grown up now...and I sympathise with her...but what did she expect Clinton to do.....or not do....her job as Public Defender?

Well we already know Hillary's reputation as a lawyer, ask the employer who fired her. So it's one thing to be a public defender, it's another thing to do it with ethical conduct.

The judge and prosecutor in the case said she handled the case with perfect ethical conduct. FACT.

Link?

Are you fucking serious? How many do you need in one thread, asshole?

FALSE: Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist

 

[tinydancer]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

Actually she wanted her story to be heard.

"The victim in the 1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer has only spoken to the media once since her attack, a contested, short interaction with a reporter in 2008, during Clinton’s last presidential campaign run.

Now 52, she wants to speak out after hearing Clinton talk about her case on newly discovered audio recordings from the 1980s, unearthed by the Washington Free Beacon and made public this week.


In a long, emotional interview with The Daily Beast, she accused Clinton of intentionally lying about her in court documents, going to extraordinary lengths to discredit evidence of the rape, and later callously acknowledging and laughing about her attackers’ guilt on the recordings.

“Hillary Clinton took me through Hell,” the victim said."

It was the laughing that did it. She was revictimized sp? all over again.

Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says

I'm sorry but parading a raped child, whether a grown up now or not, in front of the nation as a trophy piece to win an election is not classy. Whether grown or not, emotional scars don't just heal like that, and what Trump did, certainly isn't something that is going to heal those scars. If anything, he is prolonging things, by building the vindictiveness out of the act.

No. It's a matter of allowing the victims of these people to get a chance to tell their stories.

... and just like anything else in life, there is a right time and place for it. On the national stage at a Presidential Debate isn't the right time and place for it.

As compared to the set up with Miss Universe? Who was never a victim but she's a damn good actress.

 

[RealDave]

The left is losing it.
H.Clinton trashed those women who came out saying what Clinton did to them and now H.Clinton is the "champion" of women...Bringing Slick into the picture is about his wife's actions against women who were raped by her husband and not that Slick was screwing around. They either are too dumb to see it or spinning desperately.

Exactly what did Hillary say? Those women who had affairs certainly weren't angels as they had relationships with a married man.

 

[paperview]

ICYMI, teenytinybrains:

TeenyTinyBrains is the one who keeps lying.

“Hillary then began to attack my character, forcing me to undergo multiple polygraph tests where I was asked explicit sexual questions I didn’t even understand. Next I was sent for a psychiatric examination. It felt like I was the one on trial.”
— Shelton, first-person account on gofundme page

Before the second debate, Donald Trump held a brief news conference with three women who claim they were abused by Bill Clinton – and one woman, Kathy Shelton, who says Hillary Clinton ruined her life when she was hired as a public defender for a man who raped Shelton in 1975.

<snip> Until a Newsday reporter informed her in 2008 that Clinton was the lawyer in the case, Shelton had no idea that Hillary Clinton had been involved.

Moreover, a central part of her story — the psychiatric exam — does not appear to have taken place, according to court records.

The Facts
In 1975, Clinton — then Hillary Rodham — was a 27-year-old law instructor running a legal aid clinic at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. After a 41-year-old factory worker was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl, he asked the judge to replace his court-appointed male attorney with a female one. The judge went through the list of a half-dozen women practicing law in the county and picked Clinton. She has said she was not thrilled with the assignment but felt she had little choice but to take the court appointment — which the prosecutor in the case confirmed to CNN.

Court records describe a sad tale. Shelton, at the time 12 years old, went out for a late-night drive with Tom Taylor, then 41, a 20-year-old cousin, and a 15-year-old boy with whom she was apparently infatuated. They bought a pint of Old Grand-Dad whisky, which was mixed with Coca-Cola for Shelton. After hanging out at a bowling alley for a few hours, they allegedly drove to a ravine where the two older men left Shelton and the 15-year-old together. The two then had sex, the boy told police. After they were finished, Taylor approached the truck and apparently attacked Shelton. The boy reported that Shelton screamed and he saw Taylor hitching up his pants.

As part of her handling of the case, Clinton filed an affidavit July 28, 1975, requesting that the girl go through a psychiatric examination. “I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing,” Clinton said. “I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”

Clinton offered no source for the claims.

When Glenn Thrush, then a reporter for Newsday, showed the affidavit to Shelton in 2007, he wrote that she was visibly stunned. “It kind of shocks me – it’s not true,” she said. “I never said anybody attacked my body before, never in my life.”

But Shelton told Thrush at the time that she bore no ill will toward Clinton. “I have to understand that she was representing Taylor,” she said. “I’m sure Hillary was just doing her job.”

...
The Daily Beast article said:

The victim was put through several forensic procedures, including a lie detector test. At first, she failed the lie detector test; she said that was because she didn’t understand one of the specific sex-related questions. Once that question was explained to her, she passed, she said. The victim positively identified her two attackers through one-way glass and they were arrested.

In an interview with the Daily Mail that appeared Aug. 9, Shelton agreed for the first time to be identified by name. This article strongly suggested that the psychiatric examination took place:

Although Clinton’s legal maneuver would likely be prohibited today under Arkansas rape shield act, the law was not passed until two years after the case.

Shelton said one of her worst memories of the case was being questioned repeatedly by appointed experts.

“It got so bad that I told my mom I wasn’t going back, and whatever happened, happened,” said Shelton. “It’s sad that a 12-year-old had to go through what I had to go through, because for days I cried and cried and cried over it.”

The gofundme site, which was established Aug. 13 and seeks to raise $10,000, quotes Shelton as explicitly saying that the test took place: “Hillary then began to attack my character, forcing me to undergo multiple polygraph tests where I was asked explicit sexual questions I didn’t even understand. Next I was sent for a psychiatric examination. It felt like I was the one on trial.”

But the court docket, unearthed by Pittsburgh attorney Norma Chase and for the first time made public, shows that one day after Clinton filed a request for psychiatric exam, it was denied by the judge. The court docket for July 28 says Clinton filed her motion for an exam. On July 29, it states: “Hearing on Motion for Psychiatric Examination — Motion denied. Defendant objects.” (There is also no evidence that Clinton was responsible for arranging Shelton’s polygraph test.)

Here’s the docket sheet:

Taylor Docket Entries

For a variety of reasons, a plea agreement to a reduced charge was reached. Investigators mishandled evidence of Taylor’s bloody underwear, cutting out the stain for testing and then losing it.

Newsday also quoted a retired detective on the case as saying that Shelton’s “ ‘infatuation’ with the teenage boy, which she refused to admit,” led to “serious inconsistencies in her statements about the incident.” The detective also said Shelton’s mother “was so eager to end the ordeal she coached her daughter’s statements and interrupted interviews with police.”

Shelton did not respond to requests for comment left on her phone and the gofundme site. We also sought comment from Candice E. Jackson, an attorney who represents her.

The Bottom Line
Memories are malleable over time. The record shows that Shelton’s memories of the case have changed, specifically concerning being forced to take a psychiatric exam that, it turns out, was not approved by the court. Shelton did not know about Clinton’s affidavit asking for the exam in the 41-year-old case until it was shown to her by a reporter nine years ago.

There is little indication that the outcome of the case would have been much different, no matter the defense attorney, given the mishandling of the evidence and Shelton’s difficulties as a witness. Yet now the exam has become a key part of her story in order to raise funds.

Shelton is a rape victim and until recently has not been in the public eye. However, she chose to appear at Trump’s news conference, and Trump has begun to highlight her story in campaign speeches. We’re not going to assign a Pinocchio rating, but readers should be aware of the facts of her case — and how her account has changed over time."


The facts about Hillary Clinton and the Kathy Shelton rape case

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Let's invite Melanias past sexual partners to the next debate





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Is this up there with the Leftists masturbating material of hoping for a tape of The Donald fucking his own daughter?

You are a crowd of sick and twisted, what does bripat refer to Leftists as, oh yes douchebags.

Douchebag ™ bripat9643

Oh my.....and so you immediately refer to the possible incestuous relationship between Donald and Ivanka as a response? Now that IS sick and twisted.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

Actually she wanted her story to be heard.

"The victim in the 1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer has only spoken to the media once since her attack, a contested, short interaction with a reporter in 2008, during Clinton’s last presidential campaign run.

Now 52, she wants to speak out after hearing Clinton talk about her case on newly discovered audio recordings from the 1980s, unearthed by the Washington Free Beacon and made public this week.


In a long, emotional interview with The Daily Beast, she accused Clinton of intentionally lying about her in court documents, going to extraordinary lengths to discredit evidence of the rape, and later callously acknowledging and laughing about her attackers’ guilt on the recordings.

“Hillary Clinton took me through Hell,” the victim said."

It was the laughing that did it. She was revictimized sp? all over again.

Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says

I'm sorry but parading a raped child, whether a grown up now or not, in front of the nation as a trophy piece to win an election is not classy. Whether grown or not, emotional scars don't just heal like that, and what Trump did, certainly isn't something that is going to heal those scars. If anything, he is prolonging things, by building the vindictiveness out of the act.

No. It's a matter of allowing the victims of these people to get a chance to tell their stories.

... and just like anything else in life, there is a right time and place for it. On the national stage at a Presidential Debate isn't the right time and place for it.

This wouldn't have been introduced into the equation were it not for the Trump tape, it's because of that now everything and all dirty laundry is on the table.

I would think that Hillary and her campaign should know that the Bill Clinton and his accusers would now be introduced and also that Hillary publicly savaged those women who accused Bill of sexually assaulting them.

 

[GaryDog]

So many people are talking about the poor 12 year old girl, which I do think Hillary was awful for what she did to her, but what about how classless it was for Trump to use that girl's misery for political gain? Bringing her to a debate and then talking about her in front of a national audience? Do you REALLY think Trump cares about that girl? Or does he care more about how much that it hurt Hillary?

She's actually a grown up now...and I sympathise with her...but what did she expect Clinton to do.....or not do....her job as Public Defender?

Were I a lawyer, I would refuse to defend anyone who even touched a child, let alone rape a child.

As a parent, to me, there is no more heinous crime than sexual abuse of children, those who commit such atrocities are complete wastes of human skin.

Well good for you. Aren't you an upstanding citizen, calling for the conviction and imprisonment of defendants regardless of evidence or legal defense.

 

[paperview]

"There is little indication that the outcome of the case would have been much different, no matter the defense attorney, given the mishandling of the evidence and Shelton’s difficulties as a witness. Yet now the exam has become a key part of her story in order to raise funds."

The facts about Hillary Clinton and the Kathy Shelton rape case

The one difference in that Hillary *was* the defense attorney -- was that case inspired Hillary to open the first RAPE CRISIS CENTER in Arkansas.

Which helped thousands more victims.

So stick it, teeny.

 

[Divine Wind]

Let's invite Melanias past sexual partners to the next debate

Go for it. Show some titty pics too.

Your title is misleading since Bill Clinton was, indeed a President. So, to be honest and accurate, you should have titled the thread "Since the sexual past of former and potential Presidents is up for grabs"...but then you wouldn't be able to attack a spouse.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Let's invite Melanias past sexual partners to the next debate





.

Is this up there with the Leftists masturbating material of hoping for a tape of The Donald fucking his own daughter?

You are a crowd of sick and twisted, what does bripat refer to Leftists as, oh yes douchebags.

Douchebag ™ bripat9643

Oh my.....and so you immediately refer to the possible incestuous relationship between Donald and Ivanka as a response? Now that IS sick and twisted.

I already mentioned why I commented this, it wasn't from my mind, it was what was mentioned by some Leftist the other night on a different thread.