Tar Sand Oil Pipeline Ruptures in Arkansas.

[thereisnospoon]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

An Exxon-Mobil oil pipeline ruptured Friday afternoon in the town of Mayflower, Arkansas, forcing the evacuation of 20 homes and shutting down sections of interstate highway. According to Little Rock’s KATV, a hazardous materials team from the Office of Emergency Management has contained the spill and is currently attempting a cleanup.

The burst pipe is part of the Pegasus pipeline network, which connects tar sands along the Gulf coast to refineries in Houston. Thousands of gallons of crude oil erupted from the breach around 3:00 p.m. on Friday, spilling through a housing subdivision and into the town’s storm drainage system, fouling drainage ditches and shutting down Highway 365 and Interstate 40.

Residents were evacuated to avoid health hazards from crude oil fumes and to keep stray sparks from igniting the standing oil. Emergency workers contained the spill by hastily constructing earthen dams.

And it provided so many jobs..............at what cost?

Oh shut it. You'd be the first in line to start crying if the jobs disappeared.
BTW, have you given up your car yet?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Gotta love it.

Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures | The Raw Story

Why do you love it?? it takes some kind of twisted to find pleasure in this.

Yes. Because those of us on the left told you so, beforehand.

Then don't use petroleum products.
You prove that you have, then you can talk.
Until then, you have ZERO credibility.
You are just a complainer. A whiner. A ne'er do well.
You bitch and moan about everything. How curse the very freedom you have to spew your filth, then have the nerve to question the manner in which the freedom is provided.
Liberalism..Stands for nothing yet questions everything.

Words liberals hate....Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can eat for a lifetime...And..."Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country"...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why do you love it?? it takes some kind of twisted to find pleasure in this.

the left feeds on disaster and tragedy

the right usually causes disaster and tragedy.

Fuck off.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Minor? Like the BP faulted oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?????????????????
Of which, the long term consequences have yet to be determined. All the right is interested in is short term profits, no matter what the cost to the environment or people's lives.

Another two dimensional pigeonholer.

This has nothing to do with "right" or "left"

Try moving out of the fucking flock.

We use oil, we need oil, accidents happen, we clean them up. The risk does not trump the reward. Get over it.

Hmmmm. We need oil? We need alternative energy vs. depleting the limited fossil fuels. One day we'll run out of oil, then what will you say? There were forces pushing for the electrification of autos, which was shot down by oil company lobbyists. Greed vs. common sense.
If we're going to engage "oil", we need oil companies to be responsible, practical and use every precaution in procuring the oil, so as not to impact the environment "negatively", which is precisely what BP didn't do with the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Accidents happen? The worst oil spill in history and you say that.
And it absolutely has to do with ideology. The right cares nothing for the environment. All they care about is profit, for investors.
Get over it? Thanks, but I choose to point out the holes in that argument for a doomed, "star-crossed" pipeline, that isn't worth the risk. I'm pro-Green.

Yes. We use oil for almost every product we buy. Fabrics, Plastics, fertilizers, paints, lubricants. There are literally tens of millions of products we use that require oil as the basis of manufacture.
If you do not accept this reality, you are existing in a parallel universe.
Stop crying.
Electrification of autos? Are you kidding?...Battery technology is no where near what is practical for everyday use without severe limitations.
Get over it. Or you can lead the way and just stop using any product that requires oil or petro-chemical products.
Anyway, no one is even looking at your argument. You can jump up and down. Scream your head off or stand in the corner and hold your breath until you turn blue. The fact is no other source of energy is available that costs the same or less than gasoline/diesel, delivers the same or better performance, is as readily available and is distributed as widely as the current fuels.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obviously "how we get it" involves construction and maintenance.

Given that 100% of these "accidents" are the result of cut-corner construction and/or cut-corner maintenance, how should these "accidents" be punished?

100 % ??? not true and you know it. If fraud has been committed then yes they should be prosecuted.

To recap: 100% of internal pipeline "accidents" are DIRECTLY CONNECTED to either cut-price construction or cut-price maintenance. There are zero exceptions to that absolute fact. A fact rarely connected to fraud against the public although frequently connected to theft and fraud against stockholders, an entirely different crime that is almost impossible to prove UNTIL AN ACCIDENT OCCURS.

Instead of making up shit you are clueless about and that I have thousands of miles of pipeline experience with, why not answer the question?

Right.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

It's not a "molehill".




Every time one of these things happen, it's an ecological nightmare. It's also extremely expensive.

You're right. Every time a pipeline fails, it is horrendous, but pipelines are still a damned sight safer and cheaper than alternate methods of transport.
We don't hear about oil spills 5,000 gallons at a time, but it happens daily.

Just like we don't hear of kids getting shot one at a time by gangbangers in Chicago, but when they get killed 20 at a time in a grammar school in Connecticut, we feel outrage and the knee-jerk reaction is to ban guns.

BS. Apples and oranges. The outrage felt is natural (by sentient human beings), who are simply clamoring for background checks and limiting large magazines, which is summarily rejected, "out-of-hand", by supposedly responsible gun owners (what a laugh!), who feel entitled, by way of the out-dated and irrelevant Second Amendment, that they can possess automatic weapons of any capability to "hunt" with or defend themselves against the government. What a crock of shit.

Yeah well in this country you don't get to tell others what they can and cannot possess or use.
However, you are free to be unarmed. Good luck.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Minor? Like the BP faulted oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?????????????????
Of which, the long term consequences have yet to be determined. All the right is interested in is short term profits, no matter what the cost to the environment or people's lives.

More buzz words. Thanks.

Did I stutter? Your callous dismissal of reality is disturbing.

No..It's YOUR dismissal of reality which is typical of people on your side.

 

[tinydancer]

More buzz words. Thanks.

Did I stutter? Your callous dismissal of reality is disturbing.

No..It's YOUR dismissal of reality which is typical of people on your side.

All they have are buzz words.

You don't see these whackos who are so against "fossil fuels" leaving the cities in wagon trains ready to take up the pioneer lifestyle.

They think they are environmentally friendly because they put their pizza box in the paper recycling bin.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Did I stutter? Your callous dismissal of reality is disturbing.

No..It's YOUR dismissal of reality which is typical of people on your side.

All they have are buzz words.

You don't see these whackos who are so against "fossil fuels" leaving the cities in wagon trains ready to take up the pioneer lifestyle.

They think they are environmentally friendly because they put their pizza box in the paper recycling bin.

--LOL

aint the that truth

 

[ABikerSailor]

There are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines used by every poster on this board everyday,ether shut off your gas meter and stop buying ANYTHING, made from a petroleum product or stop blubbering like little children, about how you get it.

Obviously "how we get it" involves construction and maintenance.

Given that 100% of these "accidents" are the result of cut-corner construction and/or cut-corner maintenance, how should these "accidents" be punished?

And you know this how?
Here's a deal for you...Next time you do something which causes an "accident" let us know. So we can make up a punishment for YOU.
As a matter of fact, let's throw out the Constitution's protections against unreasonable searches and seizures, cruel and unusual punishment, due process, double jeopardy, etc..
Oh, we will reserve this only for people and things YOU don't like. So you libs can finally reach your goal of being "more equal"...
How's that?
Your assertion that every accident involving the fossil fuel industry is actually negligence is at best disingenuous. At worst, it is hysterical knee jerk hyperbole...
In other words, you don't know shit.

Actually, the Deep Water Horizon was caused because of cutting corners.

Instead of using 21 blowout preventers like they should have, they used only 6.

And..................most of the blowout prevention devices were faulty because they weren't tested thoroughly. Look it up.

 

[Barb]

So?

Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

It's a minor thing and quite rare actually.

Just collateral damage then?

It's the cost of doing business so to speak.

If the risk was greater than the reward we wouldn't be transporting petroleum. So get over it.

It'll get cleaned up and everyone will move on except you molehill watchers who will just wait for the next "disaster"

but the "costs" are paid by the communities, and the "rewards" are reaped by the corporations that underwrite their "risks" by limiting their liability. Meanwhile, elsewhere in Arkansas:

Federal Inspectors Investigate Fatal Accident at Arkansas Nuclear Plant | 4-Traders

The accident at the Arkansas plant, which was built in the 1970s, follows a string of troubles at other aging U.S. nuclear plants.

The San Onofre nuclear power plant in California has been shut for more than a year, after a pipe carrying radioactive steam ruptured due to equipment problems. The plant's operator, Southern California Edison, has been working to resolve the problem and obtain approval from federal regulators to restart part of the plant.

In February, Duke Energy (>> Duke Energy Corp) said it planned to permanently shut the 35-year-old Crystal River nuclear power plant in Florida. Duke inherited the plant from Progress Energy through the companies' merger. Progress had shut the plant in 2009, after discovering damage to the concrete and steel building that surrounds the reactor.

Both reactors at Entergy's Arkansas Nuclear One plant, located about 76 miles from Little Rock, were shut down Monday. The plant's Unit 1 reactor had been shut for maintenance at the time of the accident, Entergy said. The plant's Unit 2 reactor automatically shut down Sunday following the accident, Entergy said.

 

[editec]

Nobody wants to shut down the wheels of progress.

But none of us want to be run over by them either.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Obviously "how we get it" involves construction and maintenance.

Given that 100% of these "accidents" are the result of cut-corner construction and/or cut-corner maintenance, how should these "accidents" be punished?

And you know this how?
Here's a deal for you...Next time you do something which causes an "accident" let us know. So we can make up a punishment for YOU.
As a matter of fact, let's throw out the Constitution's protections against unreasonable searches and seizures, cruel and unusual punishment, due process, double jeopardy, etc..
Oh, we will reserve this only for people and things YOU don't like. So you libs can finally reach your goal of being "more equal"...
How's that?
Your assertion that every accident involving the fossil fuel industry is actually negligence is at best disingenuous. At worst, it is hysterical knee jerk hyperbole...
In other words, you don't know shit.

Actually, the Deep Water Horizon was caused because of cutting corners.

Instead of using 21 blowout preventers like they should have, they used only 6.

And..................most of the blowout prevention devices were faulty because they weren't tested thoroughly. Look it up.

Uhhh...No. They use one BOP at the well head. You're referring to the fins that align the pipe in the casing so it's centered when they poor in the concrete. Those aren't BOPs they are nothing more then tabs of metal welded to a pipe. An actual BOP is the size of a one car garage.
Thats what caused the leak in the first place. Then the BOP failed to cleanly sever the pipe due to a hydraulics problem.
Big bad Haliburton was there to oversee the use of their products and told BP they should wait for the extra fins to be installed before plugging the well. BP didnt listen an the results were what we got.

Did BP cut some corners? Yeah they did. But I can see why they did it. If you've ever seen how these things work you would have never thought what actually happened would be possible. But like they say, Shit happens.

 

[Old Rocks]

The single largest problem we have with the pipeline systems in this country is AGE.

And with the multi-billions the petro corperations are pulling in, they cannot afford to upgrade and replace those pipes? Seems a case for criminal negligence right there every time one of these line ruptures and kills somebody.

 

[Old Rocks]

And you know this how?
Here's a deal for you...Next time you do something which causes an "accident" let us know. So we can make up a punishment for YOU.
As a matter of fact, let's throw out the Constitution's protections against unreasonable searches and seizures, cruel and unusual punishment, due process, double jeopardy, etc..
Oh, we will reserve this only for people and things YOU don't like. So you libs can finally reach your goal of being "more equal"...
How's that?
Your assertion that every accident involving the fossil fuel industry is actually negligence is at best disingenuous. At worst, it is hysterical knee jerk hyperbole...
In other words, you don't know shit.

Actually, the Deep Water Horizon was caused because of cutting corners.

Instead of using 21 blowout preventers like they should have, they used only 6.

And..................most of the blowout prevention devices were faulty because they weren't tested thoroughly. Look it up.

Uhhh...No. They use one BOP at the well head. You're referring to the fins that align the pipe in the casing so it's centered when they poor in the concrete. Those aren't BOPs they are nothing more then tabs of metal welded to a pipe. An actual BOP is the size of a one car garage.
Thats what caused the leak in the first place. Then the BOP failed to cleanly sever the pipe due to a hydraulics problem.
Big bad Haliburton was there to oversee the use of their products and told BP they should wait for the extra fins to be installed before plugging the well. BP didnt listen an the results were what we got.

Did BP cut some corners? Yeah they did. But I can see why they did it. If you've ever seen how these things work you would have never thought what actually happened would be possible. But like they say, Shit happens.

It is not a "shit happens" matter. We have no idea yet of the total damage done on that blowout. When you are dealing with the technologies and pressures that exist in that kind of deep water drilling, cutting any corner is simply unacceptable. If they cannot afford the proper equipment and precautions, they should not be there in the first place.

 

[chikenwing]

Nobody wants to shut down the wheels of progress.

But none of us want to be run over by them either.

Who does?? Its to bad there are so many that look at the oil and gas industries like they are some evil group of heartless bastards. They are people just like you,and if you think they don't do what they can to prevent spills and fires you once again are wrong. If the anti oil people got their way,there would be mass hysteria. Ever watch people in a long gas line during shortages?? multiply that by millions. We live a kings lifestyle on the backs of the energy industries.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Actually, the Deep Water Horizon was caused because of cutting corners.

Instead of using 21 blowout preventers like they should have, they used only 6.

And..................most of the blowout prevention devices were faulty because they weren't tested thoroughly. Look it up.

Uhhh...No. They use one BOP at the well head. You're referring to the fins that align the pipe in the casing so it's centered when they poor in the concrete. Those aren't BOPs they are nothing more then tabs of metal welded to a pipe. An actual BOP is the size of a one car garage.
Thats what caused the leak in the first place. Then the BOP failed to cleanly sever the pipe due to a hydraulics problem.
Big bad Haliburton was there to oversee the use of their products and told BP they should wait for the extra fins to be installed before plugging the well. BP didnt listen an the results were what we got.

Did BP cut some corners? Yeah they did. But I can see why they did it. If you've ever seen how these things work you would have never thought what actually happened would be possible. But like they say, Shit happens.

It is not a "shit happens" matter. We have no idea yet of the total damage done on that blowout. When you are dealing with the technologies and pressures that exist in that kind of deep water drilling, cutting any corner is simply unacceptable. If they cannot afford the proper equipment and precautions, they should not be there in the first place.

Where exactly did I say I condone their actions? Like I said..if you've ever seen how this stuff works you would never believe it could have happened. And when you add the BOP failure. Astronomical odds. Should have never happened.But it did.
Hope they learned something from it.
Oh....The claims of destruction are highly inflated as far as damage from the spill goes.

 

[Old Rocks]

Nobody wants to shut down the wheels of progress.

But none of us want to be run over by them either.

Who does?? Its to bad there are so many that look at the oil and gas industries like they are some evil group of heartless bastards. They are people just like you,and if you think they don't do what they can to prevent spills and fires you once again are wrong. If the anti oil people got their way,there would be mass hysteria. Ever watch people in a long gas line during shortages?? multiply that by millions. We live a kings lifestyle on the backs of the energy industries.

OK. They are people like you and me. And where I work, if I fail to lock out a machine I am working on, I get fired. No questions asked. Pick up your tools, and you are escorted out the gate. So, when a major corperation pulls the shit BP did, why not make sure the CEO is escorted out the gate, and blackballed from ever holding a job with that kind of responsibility again? After all, they are people just like you and me.

 

[Old Rocks]

Uhhh...No. They use one BOP at the well head. You're referring to the fins that align the pipe in the casing so it's centered when they poor in the concrete. Those aren't BOPs they are nothing more then tabs of metal welded to a pipe. An actual BOP is the size of a one car garage.
Thats what caused the leak in the first place. Then the BOP failed to cleanly sever the pipe due to a hydraulics problem.
Big bad Haliburton was there to oversee the use of their products and told BP they should wait for the extra fins to be installed before plugging the well. BP didnt listen an the results were what we got.

Did BP cut some corners? Yeah they did. But I can see why they did it. If you've ever seen how these things work you would have never thought what actually happened would be possible. But like they say, Shit happens.

It is not a "shit happens" matter. We have no idea yet of the total damage done on that blowout. When you are dealing with the technologies and pressures that exist in that kind of deep water drilling, cutting any corner is simply unacceptable. If they cannot afford the proper equipment and precautions, they should not be there in the first place.

Where exactly did I say I condone their actions? Like I said..if you've ever seen how this stuff works you would never believe it could have happened. And when you add the BOP failure. Astronomical odds. Should have never happened.But it did.
Hope they learned something from it.
Oh....The claims of destruction are highly inflated as far as damage from the spill goes.

Really? Post links to credible sources for that statement. And, yes, if there was a problem that they knew about concerning that hydraulic system, they have every reason to believe that something like that could happen. I happen to work of hydraulic systems, up to 4000 psi systems, and you don't take chances with such systems.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It is not a "shit happens" matter. We have no idea yet of the total damage done on that blowout. When you are dealing with the technologies and pressures that exist in that kind of deep water drilling, cutting any corner is simply unacceptable. If they cannot afford the proper equipment and precautions, they should not be there in the first place.

Where exactly did I say I condone their actions? Like I said..if you've ever seen how this stuff works you would never believe it could have happened. And when you add the BOP failure. Astronomical odds. Should have never happened.But it did.
Hope they learned something from it.
Oh....The claims of destruction are highly inflated as far as damage from the spill goes.

Really? Post links to credible sources for that statement. And, yes, if there was a problem that they knew about concerning that hydraulic system, they have every reason to believe that something like that could happen. I happen to work of hydraulic systems, up to 4000 psi systems, and you don't take chances with such systems.

Yeah and I can build a hydraulic ram,pump and manifold from a raw hunk of metal. Hydraulics are a simple concept and are easy to manufacture and work on. Any chump can do it.