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But honestly people, we are not dealing with a doomsday scenario here. Think how many tens of thousands of people are attending those football games on Thanksgiving Day instead of having a traditional holiday at home. And how many millions are glued to their television sets instead of participating in family togetherness. And yes, lots and lots of people are manning facilities that cannot be shut down for a short period, manning gas stations so people can get to where they are going, and keeping our utilities working, and keeping the grocery store open at least until early afternoon so we can go get the cranberry sauce or poultry seasoning we forgot to buy. And the police and fire departments and hospitals and EMTs and ambulance services are staffed and military are on duty all over the country and around the world.
And yes some folks are out shopping instead of glue to their television set and there are people working so that their customers can shop.
And still, you can walk into any grocery store of any size, any department store, any mall, or any specialty store and see tons of Thanksgiving decorations, paraphenalia, trinkets, and traditional foodstuffs prominently and irrisistably displayed to attract as many dollars as the proprietors can get.
If traditional Thanksgiving was in any danger, I doubt there would be much of a market for that stuff. Don't you think?
But honestly people, we are not dealing with a doomsday scenario here. Think how many tens of thousands of people are attending those football games on Thanksgiving Day instead of having a traditional holiday at home. And how many millions are glued to their television sets instead of participating in family togetherness. And yes, lots and lots of people are manning facilities that cannot be shut down for a short period, manning gas stations so people can get to where they are going, and keeping our utilities working, and keeping the grocery store open at least until early afternoon so we can go get the cranberry sauce or poultry seasoning we forgot to buy. And the police and fire departments and hospitals and EMTs and ambulance services are staffed and military are on duty all over the country and around the world.
And yes some folks are out shopping instead of glue to their television set and there are people working so that their customers can shop.
And still, you can walk into any grocery store of any size, any department store, any mall, or any specialty store and see tons of Thanksgiving decorations, paraphenalia, trinkets, and traditional foodstuffs prominently and irrisistably displayed to attract as many dollars as the proprietors can get.
If traditional Thanksgiving was in any danger, I doubt there would be much of a market for that stuff. Don't you think?
Sure there would. That's the transfer from the spiritual feel of the day to the material feel of the dollar. See also commercialized Christmas?
It's kind of like an artificial Christmas tree.
Sorta.
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Ultimately we speak here of the conflict of values -- the spiritual versus the material.
But honestly people, we are not dealing with a doomsday scenario here. Think how many tens of thousands of people are attending those football games on Thanksgiving Day instead of having a traditional holiday at home. And how many millions are glued to their television sets instead of participating in family togetherness. And yes, lots and lots of people are manning facilities that cannot be shut down for a short period, manning gas stations so people can get to where they are going, and keeping our utilities working, and keeping the grocery store open at least until early afternoon so we can go get the cranberry sauce or poultry seasoning we forgot to buy. And the police and fire departments and hospitals and EMTs and ambulance services are staffed and military are on duty all over the country and around the world.
And yes some folks are out shopping instead of glue to their television set and there are people working so that their customers can shop.
And still, you can walk into any grocery store of any size, any department store, any mall, or any specialty store and see tons of Thanksgiving decorations, paraphenalia, trinkets, and traditional foodstuffs prominently and irrisistably displayed to attract as many dollars as the proprietors can get.
If traditional Thanksgiving was in any danger, I doubt there would be much of a market for that stuff. Don't you think?
Sure there would. That's the transfer from the spiritual feel of the day to the material feel of the dollar. See also commercialized Christmas?
It's kind of like an artificial Christmas tree.
Sorta.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5IXlfJSEi4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5IXlfJSEi4[/ame]
Ultimately we speak here of the conflict of values -- the spiritual versus the material.
Well I'm sorry, but I have a hard time equating eating way too much of a 20-lb stuffed turkey, giblet gravy, sweet potato souffle, green bean casserole, fruit salad, and pumpkin pie with whipped cream as a spiritual experience. But if few people chose to engage in that experience then you wouldn't see the pyramids of canned pumpkin, boxes of dressing mix, broth, french onions, mushroom soup, green beans stacked where you couldn't miss them in the super market would you? But that all does equate to the traditional Thanksgiving observance.
Also, those not interested in a traditional Thanksgiving observance wouldn't bother buying all the extra paraphenalia and decorations for it.
I'm just saying that for some, celebrating Thanksgiving is a spiritual experience but I suspect such people are in a small minority. For most it is just going through a particular routine that we have adopted as tradition. Some do it because they really enjoy it. Some do it just because they feel like it is expected. And I don't think we are in any danger of losing that any time in the near future.
Sure there would. That's the transfer from the spiritual feel of the day to the material feel of the dollar. See also commercialized Christmas?
It's kind of like an artificial Christmas tree.
Sorta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5IXlfJSEi4
Ultimately we speak here of the conflict of values -- the spiritual versus the material.
Well I'm sorry, but I have a hard time equating eating way too much of a 20-lb stuffed turkey, giblet gravy, sweet potato souffle, green bean casserole, fruit salad, and pumpkin pie with whipped cream as a spiritual experience. But if few people chose to engage in that experience then you wouldn't see the pyramids of canned pumpkin, boxes of dressing mix, broth, french onions, mushroom soup, green beans stacked where you couldn't miss them in the super market would you? But that all does equate to the traditional Thanksgiving observance.
Also, those not interested in a traditional Thanksgiving observance wouldn't bother buying all the extra paraphenalia and decorations for it.
I'm just saying that for some, celebrating Thanksgiving is a spiritual experience but I suspect such people are in a small minority. For most it is just going through a particular routine that we have adopted as tradition. Some do it because they really enjoy it. Some do it just because they feel like it is expected. And I don't think we are in any danger of losing that any time in the near future.
You keedin' me? Breaking bread together is just about the most spiritual communal experience we have.
All those details on the foods are the material part. Plug this into the right side of the brain and .... Bob's your uncle.
A world with any day where no one worked at all would be impossible of course. We'd just like to keep the option open for most of us. And hang on to a tradition that's not based on the material.
..... yes, very spiritual....
I hope that's facetious (?) Came across a large flock of turkeys the other day; what I did was stop and wait until they could see they were OK to cross the road and watched for other traffic to protect them. It's the ahimsa thing to do.
...ANDDDDD
One of my single T-days was blessed with Turkey Spam...awesome!
First married T-Day together was just hubs and I by choice
I cooked Cornish game hens stuffed with wild rice.
Another T-Day with friends, some family, yielded a King Salmon for dinner.
Going to WSM's home always offers up halibut chowder.
In closing...it's not always about the turkey.
However we are infamous for our population of Peacocks.Dang, that gives me an idea!
*Disclaimer: My post was not directed [MENTION=41527]Pogo[/MENTION]
Too late. I already read it. NOW what?
i know...... how about football games. They certainly are not necessary. All of the people at home watching the games.....SHOULD be helping out with dinner. How about the TV and radio stations.... not necessary either..... off the air they go too.
Whoa, HEY now... them's fightin' words.
I always enjoyed being on the air on a holiday. You have such a big audience potential.
To get to entertain the masses while they relax at home? Bliss, I tell ya. Couldn't ask for a better shift.
Then again that depends on there still being a holiday... which is why I keep looking for Bill O'Reilly...
nope.... plug pulled on you to buddy..... its either NO one works..... or its fine that people work.....
you cant cheery pick......
Whoa, HEY now... them's fightin' words.
I always enjoyed being on the air on a holiday. You have such a big audience potential.
To get to entertain the masses while they relax at home? Bliss, I tell ya. Couldn't ask for a better shift.
Then again that depends on there still being a holiday... which is why I keep looking for Bill O'Reilly...
nope.... plug pulled on you to buddy..... its either NO one works..... or its fine that people work.....
you cant cheery pick......
Isn't the OP just about having the stores open so people can go shopping? I think a lot of people don't see shopping as a family being together activity, while others may. If a national holiday is a time to spend with families, you don't necessarily have to spend the entire day at home; going to a park, an amusement park or other type, like the zoo maybe, some time of family amusement activity, makes sense to me as the family is doing it together. Shopping though? I think with shopping, like going to the mall, the family spilts up, men going their way (or more likely stay home to watch football), kids going theirs, mom going hers, etc. I am not saying the government should force families to spend time together; my thought is that families should want to spend time together, and it is sad they don't; it is sad a holiday like Thanksgiving is becoming obsolete and something like shopping is becoming the new tradition for national holidays. Are malls and such also open on the 4th of July? Is there a day in the year left, exept Xmas and Thanksgiving, when the malls are not open?
nope.... plug pulled on you to buddy..... its either NO one works..... or its fine that people work.....
you cant cheery pick......
Isn't the OP just about having the stores open so people can go shopping? I think a lot of people don't see shopping as a family being together activity, while others may. If a national holiday is a time to spend with families, you don't necessarily have to spend the entire day at home; going to a park, an amusement park or other type, like the zoo maybe, some time of family amusement activity, makes sense to me as the family is doing it together. Shopping though? I think with shopping, like going to the mall, the family spilts up, men going their way (or more likely stay home to watch football), kids going theirs, mom going hers, etc. I am not saying the government should force families to spend time together; my thought is that families should want to spend time together, and it is sad they don't; it is sad a holiday like Thanksgiving is becoming obsolete and something like shopping is becoming the new tradition for national holidays. Are malls and such also open on the 4th of July? Is there a day in the year left, exept Xmas and Thanksgiving, when the malls are not open?
my neighbors across the street.... She and her three girls make a day of it on black friday. For them it is quite the family event.
The thread morphed to more then just shopping.... it is about some thinking that no one should work becasue it is a holiday....
EXACTLY (to the bold)...and just as you don't have to spend the whole day at home...... who is to say that the time you are not at home should not be at work?
I don't know many families who "spend the day together" some are cooking...some are watching the game, the kids are playing their games...... "time together" is mostly just the time eating....
as to malls....i would LOVE them to be open on christmas!!!
if people dont want to shop...stay home. If they want to shop... shop if the stores are open. If the stores are open, i expect the sales people to do their jobs or be fired and replaced with those who WANT to work.
truthfully i think the whole faux rage is about walmmart.....
Isn't the OP just about having the stores open so people can go shopping? I think a lot of people don't see shopping as a family being together activity, while others may. If a national holiday is a time to spend with families, you don't necessarily have to spend the entire day at home; going to a park, an amusement park or other type, like the zoo maybe, some time of family amusement activity, makes sense to me as the family is doing it together. Shopping though? I think with shopping, like going to the mall, the family spilts up, men going their way (or more likely stay home to watch football), kids going theirs, mom going hers, etc. I am not saying the government should force families to spend time together; my thought is that families should want to spend time together, and it is sad they don't; it is sad a holiday like Thanksgiving is becoming obsolete and something like shopping is becoming the new tradition for national holidays. Are malls and such also open on the 4th of July? Is there a day in the year left, exept Xmas and Thanksgiving, when the malls are not open?
my neighbors across the street.... She and her three girls make a day of it on black friday. For them it is quite the family event.
The thread morphed to more then just shopping.... it is about some thinking that no one should work becasue it is a holiday....
EXACTLY (to the bold)...and just as you don't have to spend the whole day at home...... who is to say that the time you are not at home should not be at work?
I don't know many families who "spend the day together" some are cooking...some are watching the game, the kids are playing their games...... "time together" is mostly just the time eating....
as to malls....i would LOVE them to be open on christmas!!!
if people dont want to shop...stay home. If they want to shop... shop if the stores are open. If the stores are open, i expect the sales people to do their jobs or be fired and replaced with those who WANT to work.
truthfully i think the whole faux rage is about walmmart.....
Exactly. In both my family and Hombre's family or our immediate family, the holiday shopping expedition is more recreational than anything else. They indulge in a treat, do a LOT of window shopping, try on silly stuff, and every once in awhile might even buy something. If there's a good movie on the excursion might include that.
I simply don''t see how that is diferent than the same group disassocating from the football crowd to play bridge or Mahjong or Skip Bo or put a puzzle together or whatever. And even though I generally don't go on these excursions--well I might do the movie--I can believe it is a hell of a lot more fun than sitting around in the kitchen waiting for time to pass until everybody can get busy and get the food out again.
my neighbors across the street.... She and her three girls make a day of it on black friday. For them it is quite the family event.
The thread morphed to more then just shopping.... it is about some thinking that no one should work becasue it is a holiday....
EXACTLY (to the bold)...and just as you don't have to spend the whole day at home...... who is to say that the time you are not at home should not be at work?
I don't know many families who "spend the day together" some are cooking...some are watching the game, the kids are playing their games...... "time together" is mostly just the time eating....
as to malls....i would LOVE them to be open on christmas!!!
if people dont want to shop...stay home. If they want to shop... shop if the stores are open. If the stores are open, i expect the sales people to do their jobs or be fired and replaced with those who WANT to work.
truthfully i think the whole faux rage is about walmmart.....
Exactly. In both my family and Hombre's family or our immediate family, the holiday shopping expedition is more recreational than anything else. They indulge in a treat, do a LOT of window shopping, try on silly stuff, and every once in awhile might even buy something. If there's a good movie on the excursion might include that.
I simply don''t see how that is diferent than the same group disassocating from the football crowd to play bridge or Mahjong or Skip Bo or put a puzzle together or whatever. And even though I generally don't go on these excursions--well I might do the movie--I can believe it is a hell of a lot more fun than sitting around in the kitchen waiting for time to pass until everybody can get busy and get the food out again.
what is even funnier...is you would think that said retailers were open ALL day on thanksgiving...... they are not.
instead of opening at midnight..... they will open at 8. Poor sad retail sales people have ALL Day to spend with their families.......
Opening hours at 8 top retailers on Thanksgiving
The grocery stores are usually open until at least noon or 1 pm.nope.... plug pulled on you to buddy..... its either NO one works..... or its fine that people work.....
you cant cheery pick......
Isn't the OP just about having the stores open so people can go shopping? I think a lot of people don't see shopping as a family being together activity, while others may. If a national holiday is a time to spend with families, you don't necessarily have to spend the entire day at home; going to a park, an amusement park or other type, like the zoo maybe, some time of family amusement activity, makes sense to me as the family is doing it together. Shopping though? I think with shopping, like going to the mall, the family spilts up, men going their way (or more likely stay home to watch football), kids going theirs, mom going hers, etc. I am not saying the government should force families to spend time together; my thought is that families should want to spend time together, and it is sad they don't; it is sad a holiday like Thanksgiving is becoming obsolete and something like shopping is becoming the new tradition for national holidays. Are malls and such also open on the 4th of July? Is there a day in the year left, exept Xmas and Thanksgiving, when the malls are not open?
my neighbors across the street.... She and her three girls make a day of it on black friday. For them it is quite the family event.
The thread morphed to more then just shopping.... it is about some thinking that no one should work becasue it is a holiday....
EXACTLY (to the bold)...and just as you don't have to spend the whole day at home...... who is to say that the time you are not at home should not be at work?
I don't know many families who "spend the day together" some are cooking...some are watching the game, the kids are playing their games...... "time together" is mostly just the time eating....
as to malls....i would LOVE them to be open on christmas!!!
if people dont want to shop...stay home. If they want to shop... shop if the stores are open. If the stores are open, i expect the sales people to do their jobs or be fired and replaced with those who WANT to work.
truthfully i think the whole faux rage is about walmmart.....
Remember, first time I met you I think. I'm gettin' all misty... 
We went through the same family day trash when stores firrst started opening on sunday. Now it's "religious nuts kept stores from opening on sunday. Children were starving because parents weren't working."
Libtards should make up their minds.
Isn't the OP just about having the stores open so people can go shopping? I think a lot of people don't see shopping as a family being together activity, while others may. If a national holiday is a time to spend with families, you don't necessarily have to spend the entire day at home; going to a park, an amusement park or other type, like the zoo maybe, some time of family amusement activity, makes sense to me as the family is doing it together. Shopping though? I think with shopping, like going to the mall, the family spilts up, men going their way (or more likely stay home to watch football), kids going theirs, mom going hers, etc. I am not saying the government should force families to spend time together; my thought is that families should want to spend time together, and it is sad they don't; it is sad a holiday like Thanksgiving is becoming obsolete and something like shopping is becoming the new tradition for national holidays. Are malls and such also open on the 4th of July? Is there a day in the year left, exept Xmas and Thanksgiving, when the malls are not open?
my neighbors across the street.... She and her three girls make a day of it on black friday. For them it is quite the family event.
The thread morphed to more then just shopping.... it is about some thinking that no one should work becasue it is a holiday....
EXACTLY (to the bold)...and just as you don't have to spend the whole day at home...... who is to say that the time you are not at home should not be at work?
I don't know many families who "spend the day together" some are cooking...some are watching the game, the kids are playing their games...... "time together" is mostly just the time eating....
as to malls....i would LOVE them to be open on christmas!!!
if people dont want to shop...stay home. If they want to shop... shop if the stores are open. If the stores are open, i expect the sales people to do their jobs or be fired and replaced with those who WANT to work.
truthfully i think the whole faux rage is about walmmart.....
Oh no you di-int! Look Foxy -- they're playing our song!
Strangely I don't think Mal-Wart was mentioned before now. Let us not speak of this agian.
Syrenn, you are correct; the thread ... evolved. I really didn't mean to play the role of spiritual shaman, although it was kinda cool wearing the robe. So I shall return to the point where I started, which is, of course, Bill O'Reilly.
Shop on Thanksgiving?
If we eat all the turkey and drink all the wine before 7pm, I might have to go find more.
