The GOP, Cheaters, Ron Paul won the State of Maine

[koshergrl]

Oh yawn, I love it when left wing nuts whine about voter fraud.

 

[Shelzin]

You have NOTHING but insults.

your a dupe shelly

*shrugs* If it makes you feel better to think that.

 

[flacaltenn]

You have NOTHING but insults.

your a dupe shelly

And you became irrelevent a long time ago.. It's starting to get annoying.. And I'm huge TOLERANT kind of person.. I've got ONE POSTER on ignore.. It's a high bar to cross -- but you're getting there..

 

[LibertyForAll]

You have NOTHING but insults.

your a dupe shelly

Please explain your position. How is the gold standard worse than the fiat system we have now?

 

[Shelzin]

You have NOTHING but insults.

your a dupe shelly

And you became irrelevent a long time ago.. It's starting to get annoying.. And I'm huge TOLERANT kind of person.. I've got ONE POSTER on ignore.. It's a high bar to cross -- but you're getting there..

Fair warning... TM the type of person I'll fuck with for days, weeks, and even months at a time. It depends on how long it takes them to learn to either not reply to me, or to stop saying and doing stupid stuff. Whichever comes first.

You might have to put me on ignore as well to not see what they are writing.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Some here may be wondering why I have taken such a strong stance against Romney recently and apparent support for Obama...even though I just could not stomach voting for him after what the DNC did to Hillary....(another long story)

well, I'm going to tell you why....

It's because the GOP here in Maine Cheated. FLAT OUT CHEATED.
VOTER FRAUD.

Mainers or Mainiacs if you don't like us, are very independent people....they work hard with 2-3 jobs each, and mind their own business kind of people.

My husband is a life long Republican, he has voted in every election since he was 18 years old, local and national, primaries and elections....he's the most honest person I have ever met in my entire life, and I am not saying this because I love him and am married to him....anyone who knows him, knows this about him....he is liked by everyone he meets, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian.....you just can't help but like him...that's how he won me over , that and his music and some of the love songs he had written (another long story )

The hubby has a young, honest, friend, who used to be an employee of his...he worked with Matt until he got the job he wanted, being a Pastor. His name is Matthew also, Matthew McDonald. I am giving you his name because I want you to do some googling yourself, to read up on the situation here with the Maine Caucus and I certainly have Matthew McDonald's permission to shout what happened here in Maine with the GOP from the rooftops.

Matthew McDonald was elected the head of the Caucus for the GOP Caucus that took place in a small town called Belfast, Maine. Right before the Caucus, he got a phone call from the head of the GOP in Maine, as did ALL OTHER caucus heads for the GOP in Maine, and was told to NOT TO DO A PUBLIC COUNT on the caucus result and to just forward the votes to to the head quarters. Well, Matthew McDonald did not follow the GOP's request to not count the votes in public, and in his district, they counted the votes one by one, out loud in front of the voters and crowd, the vote went something like this.....8 votes for Ron Paul, 7 votes for Santorum, and 5 votes for Romney, then they forwarded them to the headquarters as requested. A few days later he went to the website where the votes were being displayed by district and he saw that they did not have any votes for his town or his county in the tally. He then called the party headquarters and asked why the votes for his small town were not showing...they hymned and hawed, for a bit, but then he asked them to tell him what the votes were that they had on Belfast....and the person came back and said something like 9 votes for Romney, 2 votes for Ron Paul and 5 votes for Santorum.....THEY CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He then said to them, NOOOOOOOO, that is not what the vote tally came to....and the Gop person said nastily, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS WRONG?

(she or he felt confident in confronting Matthew McDonald on the vote tally because all the Caucus heads were INSTRUCTED BY THE GOP, TO NOT COUNT THEIR VOTES IN THE PUBLIC)

And he told her, because WE DID A PUBLIC COUNT, our votes were tallied in front of the citizens of the town. She or He about fell over....and could not hang up on him quick enough...

So, the GOP HERE IN MAINE, CHEATED to make Romney the winner...they PLANNED IT ahead of time by instructing the Caucus heads not to do a Public count.

RON PAUL WON MY STATE, NOT ROMNEY. It was set up to cheat, and give the State to Romney.

Then at their state convention in May, the GOP CHEATED AGAIN, and voted on the delegates to send to the national convention and did this WITHOUT A quorum....it was a madhouse and craziness that you would think only happens in movies...keeping the Ron Paul voters from choosing delegates to the electoral collage.....Ron Paul supporters were outraged. And somehow the gop romney supporters are suing for something, and Ron Paul voters are calling BS and a whole mess of things that I truly do not understand????maybe one of you guys who have participated in a Caucus before can make Reason out of this???

And also, the gop called the win for romney in a close race with Ron Paul right up there, before 1 county even voted. They had a pending snow storm and had to put their caucus voting off until later. Of which the GOP apologized for later on, but sheesh...whoopdee doo....

Matthew McDonald is just a kid to me...I think he is in his late 20's....and he's been thrown in to this mess, via his own honesty.

You would think this would have been front page news across this Nation....?

I realize that Maine is a low populated State and we really don't count for much in the overall picture of things but SINCE the gop CHEATED here in Maine, via telling their caucuses not to do a public count so they could CHANGE the republican voter's tallies, YOU KNOW these instruction to not do a public count, ALSO TOOK PLACE in other States.

Here are some links I found on the subject.....


these 2 are Rachel Maddow, i know, i know...ugh rachel maddow
Maddow -On Republican Election Vote Rigging (15-Feb-12)(1-2)(POLITICS IN ACTION series) - YouTube
Maddow -On Republican Election Vote Rigging (15-Feb-12)(2-2)(POLITICS IN ACTION series) - YouTube

Exclusive Report: GOP Chair. Matt McDonald talks to RevPac's Aaron Jones | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution

Civilians News - Civilians News Media - By the People For the People


Ron Paul supporters fight back as Romney backers allege voter fraud at Maine GOP convention — Politics — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine

State committee votes to keep Maine GOP chairman Charlie Webster in place despite caucus mess — Politics — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine

RP Supporter Chairman of Belfast Maine Caucus Calls State GOP to Confirm Vote Tally, result "not even close" to the actual vote! | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution


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Regardless of what you may think of Ron Paul, this issue with Romney cheating is something I just can't stomach....it's how I felt when the DNC screwed Hillary. I'm sickened over it.

Honesty is the Best Policy....yes Honesty. And cheating is NOT ACCEPTABLE under ANY circumstance. You all may be able to go on with your lives, while the lies swirl around you....but as human being, who does care for other fellow human beings and the truth....this happening in my home State, has blown my faith in mankind.

Republicans always fuck us libertarians over....

Every time we get the required signatures in here to get a candidate on a ballot republicans always challenge us....

They see libertarians as a bunch of clowns who steal their votes - hence they don't want us on the ballot...

That is why libertarians have to run as republicans - just as Ron Paul did.

Politics seem simple but politics are more dirty than any spectator sport imaginable. The best part is all these mainstream politicians try to act civilized and squeeky clean...

 

[Shelzin]

You have NOTHING but insults.

your a dupe shelly

Please explain your position. How is the gold standard worse than the fiat system we have now?

Hey... look at that... Liberty trying to help you out TM. That's an awfully nice thing to do given what you've said so far. But maybe you are worth it... *shrugs*

 

[Care4all]

Some here may be wondering why I have taken such a strong stance against Romney recently and apparent support for Obama...even though I just could not stomach voting for him after what the DNC did to Hillary....(another long story)

well, I'm going to tell you why....

It's because the GOP here in Maine Cheated. FLAT OUT CHEATED.
VOTER FRAUD.

Mainers or Mainiacs if you don't like us, are very independent people....they work hard with 2-3 jobs each, and mind their own business kind of people.

My husband is a life long Republican, he has voted in every election since he was 18 years old, local and national, primaries and elections....he's the most honest person I have ever met in my entire life, and I am not saying this because I love him and am married to him....anyone who knows him, knows this about him....he is liked by everyone he meets, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian.....you just can't help but like him...that's how he won me over , that and his music and some of the love songs he had written (another long story )

The hubby has a young, honest, friend, who used to be an employee of his...he worked with Matt until he got the job he wanted, being a Pastor. His name is Matthew also, Matthew McDonald. I am giving you his name because I want you to do some googling yourself, to read up on the situation here with the Maine Caucus and I certainly have Matthew McDonald's permission to shout what happened here in Maine with the GOP from the rooftops.

Matthew McDonald was elected the head of the Caucus for the GOP Caucus that took place in a small town called Belfast, Maine. Right before the Caucus, he got a phone call from the head of the GOP in Maine, as did ALL OTHER caucus heads for the GOP in Maine, and was told to NOT TO DO A PUBLIC COUNT on the caucus result and to just forward the votes to to the head quarters. Well, Matthew McDonald did not follow the GOP's request to not count the votes in public, and in his district, they counted the votes one by one, out loud in front of the voters and crowd, the vote went something like this.....8 votes for Ron Paul, 7 votes for Santorum, and 5 votes for Romney, then they forwarded them to the headquarters as requested. A few days later he went to the website where the votes were being displayed by district and he saw that they did not have any votes for his town or his county in the tally. He then called the party headquarters and asked why the votes for his small town were not showing...they hymned and hawed, for a bit, but then he asked them to tell him what the votes were that they had on Belfast....and the person came back and said something like 9 votes for Romney, 2 votes for Ron Paul and 5 votes for Santorum.....THEY CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He then said to them, NOOOOOOOO, that is not what the vote tally came to....and the Gop person said nastily, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS WRONG?

(she or he felt confident in confronting Matthew McDonald on the vote tally because all the Caucus heads were INSTRUCTED BY THE GOP, TO NOT COUNT THEIR VOTES IN THE PUBLIC)

And he told her, because WE DID A PUBLIC COUNT, our votes were tallied in front of the citizens of the town. She or He about fell over....and could not hang up on him quick enough...

So, the GOP HERE IN MAINE, CHEATED to make Romney the winner...they PLANNED IT ahead of time by instructing the Caucus heads not to do a Public count.

RON PAUL WON MY STATE, NOT ROMNEY. It was set up to cheat, and give the State to Romney.

Then at their state convention in May, the GOP CHEATED AGAIN, and voted on the delegates to send to the national convention and did this WITHOUT A quorum....it was a madhouse and craziness that you would think only happens in movies...keeping the Ron Paul voters from choosing delegates to the electoral collage.....Ron Paul supporters were outraged. And somehow the gop romney supporters are suing for something, and Ron Paul voters are calling BS and a whole mess of things that I truly do not understand????maybe one of you guys who have participated in a Caucus before can make Reason out of this???

And also, the gop called the win for romney in a close race with Ron Paul right up there, before 1 county even voted. They had a pending snow storm and had to put their caucus voting off until later. Of which the GOP apologized for later on, but sheesh...whoopdee doo....

Matthew McDonald is just a kid to me...I think he is in his late 20's....and he's been thrown in to this mess, via his own honesty.

You would think this would have been front page news across this Nation....?

I realize that Maine is a low populated State and we really don't count for much in the overall picture of things but SINCE the gop CHEATED here in Maine, via telling their caucuses not to do a public count so they could CHANGE the republican voter's tallies, YOU KNOW these instruction to not do a public count, ALSO TOOK PLACE in other States.

Here are some links I found on the subject.....


these 2 are Rachel Maddow, i know, i know...ugh rachel maddow
Maddow -On Republican Election Vote Rigging (15-Feb-12)(1-2)(POLITICS IN ACTION series) - YouTube
Maddow -On Republican Election Vote Rigging (15-Feb-12)(2-2)(POLITICS IN ACTION series) - YouTube

Exclusive Report: GOP Chair. Matt McDonald talks to RevPac's Aaron Jones | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution

Civilians News - Civilians News Media - By the People For the People


Ron Paul supporters fight back as Romney backers allege voter fraud at Maine GOP convention — Politics — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine

State committee votes to keep Maine GOP chairman Charlie Webster in place despite caucus mess — Politics — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine

RP Supporter Chairman of Belfast Maine Caucus Calls State GOP to Confirm Vote Tally, result "not even close" to the actual vote! | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution


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Regardless of what you may think of Ron Paul, this issue with Romney cheating is something I just can't stomach....it's how I felt when the DNC screwed Hillary. I'm sickened over it.

Honesty is the Best Policy....yes Honesty. And cheating is NOT ACCEPTABLE under ANY circumstance. You all may be able to go on with your lives, while the lies swirl around you....but as human being, who does care for other fellow human beings and the truth....this happening in my home State, has blown my faith in mankind.

Republicans always fuck us libertarians over....

Every time we get the required signatures in here to get a candidate on a ballot republicans always challenge us....

They see libertarians as a bunch of clowns who steal their votes - hence they don't want us on the ballot...

That is why libertarians have to run as republicans - just as Ron Paul did.

Politics seem simple but politics are more dirty than any spectator sport imaginable. The best part is all these mainstream politicians try to act civilized and squeeky clean...

Honestly, I had no idea this crap was going on with ron paul, I've sadly, just not paid attention enough over the years...and if my husband and his friend matthew mcdonald had not brought it to my attention, I would have gone even more years without knowing it.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Republicans always fuck us libertarians over....

Every time we get the required signatures in here to get a candidate on a ballot republicans always challenge us....

They see libertarians as a bunch of clowns who steal their votes - hence they don't want us on the ballot...

That is why libertarians have to run as republicans - just as Ron Paul did.

Politics seem simple but politics are more dirty than any spectator sport imaginable. The best part is all these mainstream politicians try to act civilized and squeeky clean...

I think their fear of you runs deeper than taking votes away, especially in Paul's case, since he's a Republican. More likely is their fear that the greater your power, the less chances for the establishment to pay back their corporate puppeteers with give aways and wars.

 

[Shelzin]

Honestly, I had no idea this crap was going on with ron paul, I've sadly, just not paid attention enough over the years...and if my husband and his friend matthew mcdonald had not brought it to my attention, I would have gone even more years without knowing it.

Oh yeah... You can watch during the republican debates and see that they started to give more an more time to Ron for his views on the topics. Several times it took the crowd to actually get involved to give Ron the right to speak on topics. Let me find you an example... The other three answer this, and they skip Ron Paul... Didn't go over so well.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cypg0Qvh__8]Ron Paul on Abortion - South Carolina Debate 1-19-2012 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Truthmatters]

You have NOTHING but insults.

your a dupe shelly

Please explain your position. How is the gold standard worse than the fiat system we have now?

Hey... look at that... Liberty trying to help you out TM. That's an awfully nice thing to do given what you've said so far. But maybe you are worth it... *shrugs*

what you and Paul want is NO market influence by the gov.


its an idiots dream that will produce kings and queens yet again

 

[Truthmatters]

A well regulated market (like we used to have and worked quite well for decades under glass steagal) can be recreated for stability.

 

[Truthmatters]

You have NOTHING but insults.

your a dupe shelly

And you became irrelevent a long time ago.. It's starting to get annoying.. And I'm huge TOLERANT kind of person.. I've got ONE POSTER on ignore.. It's a high bar to cross -- but you're getting there..

Fair warning... TM the type of person I'll fuck with for days, weeks, and even months at a time. It depends on how long it takes them to learn to either not reply to me, or to stop saying and doing stupid stuff. Whichever comes first.

You might have to put me on ignore as well to not see what they are writing.

yeah pretend the hard questions asked of your philosophy dont exsit.

that will make you a real good dupe

 

[Shelzin]

Please explain your position. How is the gold standard worse than the fiat system we have now?

Hey... look at that... Liberty trying to help you out TM. That's an awfully nice thing to do given what you've said so far. But maybe you are worth it... *shrugs*

what you and Paul want is NO market influence by the gov.

Please... Quote where I said that.

Remember, ***I*** can't make you look stupid. Only you can do that.

its an idiots dream that will produce kings and queens yet again

I think idiots create strawman arguments because they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

 

[Truthmatters]

Its what Paul wants

 

[Shelzin]

And you became irrelevent a long time ago.. It's starting to get annoying.. And I'm huge TOLERANT kind of person.. I've got ONE POSTER on ignore.. It's a high bar to cross -- but you're getting there..

Fair warning... TM the type of person I'll fuck with for days, weeks, and even months at a time. It depends on how long it takes them to learn to either not reply to me, or to stop saying and doing stupid stuff. Whichever comes first.

You might have to put me on ignore as well to not see what they are writing.

yeah pretend the hard questions asked of your philosophy dont exsit.

Oh? Would you be so kind as to explain my philosophy to me? Quoting and using references to things I have said to support your claim would be a smart thing to do.

that will make you a real good dupe

Practice what you preach. Someday you might be worthy to debate with. Liberty asked a good question. Perhaps you'll do what you are asking of others?

 

[Truthmatters]

Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The foundation of Paul's political philosophy is the conviction that "the proper role for government in America is to provide national defense, a court system for civil disputes, a criminal justice system for acts of force and fraud, and little else."[

 

[Truthmatters]

If you do not support deregulation you do not support Paul

 

[Shelzin]

Its what Paul wants

Oh? What does that have to do with me? You couldn't possibly be saying that I have to agree with all his stances to support his presidential bid...

Please... Quote my philosophy to me.

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do I know more about Paul than you who claims to support him?