The Left Has Denied the Legitimacy of Every Single Republican President Since the Elder Bush in 1988

[Slade3200]

No one younger than 52 has voted in a Presidential Election where the Republican winner was not considered illegitimate by the Left and Press (I repeat myself).

But it’s a wild conspiracy and dangerous talk to discuss the legitimacy of Joe that’ll get you banned on every social media platform.

1988 was 34 years ago. This is not my usual both 2000 and 1980 where 20 years ago whittering (though I am correct about that), this is a discussion about age and the Eternal Now and how the simple passage of time affects political analysis.


I am going to use 18 as a baseline age here because that is US voting age. For anyone 52 years and younger, 1988 was the first Presidential election in which they could vote. That was when GHWB was elected President. You have to be 60 now to have voted for Reagan in 1980

GHWB is the last Republican President to be elected without Democrats claiming his election was illegitimate. 2000 was 22 years ago. For anyone 40 and younger, every Republican President since they were eligible to vote has been considered illegitimate by both Dems and the press.

For those of us upper end Gen X and older, it is difficult to internalize that Bill Clinton being President is as remote to Millennials and younger as, say, Nixon being President is to upper end Gen X. Sure, it happened but that's history. Ancient history.

2008 is 14 years ago. You would have to be at least 32 and then 28 to have voted for Obama. For younger Millennials and upper end Gen Z, that's the President when they were kids and they maybe sorta remember that being a big thing.

2016 is six years ago. You have to be at least 24 to have voted for Trump. The point of going through this chronology is to stress, as many others, that for the last 22 years, every Republican President has been considered illegitimate by large swathes of the press and public.

If you are under 40, you grew up in a world in which a Republican being President was deemed per se illegitimate. You grew up in a world where what those illegitimate Presidents did was per se illegitimate. It is the air you breathed and the water you drank. This is what you know

This is simply the truth. Bush was installed by the Supreme Court and then did *handwave* something wrong to be re-elected, after all, he shouldn't have been President in the first place. Republicans play a game with the Electoral College, which is anti-democratic, to win.

Every Republican President is wrong and everything they do is wrong, and Trump let Russians change votes to make him President so what he did was extra super wrong. Since everything they did is wrong, then every action they took is wrong and SCOTUS is illegitimate. It's logic.

It is irrelevant whether this is true. It is what two generations of people have been told. People believe this because why would those people who are the experts in politics say this if it wasn't true? That's what they are paid to do, that's what they know, they wouldn't lie.

I comprehend the urge to eyeroll when the wailing starts about how SCOTUS is illegitimate because the justices were appointed by Presidents who did not win the popular vote and thus are illegitimate. It is eyeroll worthy. However. Enormous numbers of people who vote believe this.

Many a pixel has been slain, and that's just by me, decrying the total lack of knowledge of how the American electoral system works. Many more have been slain noting how destructive this is to public discourse. I am here to tell you that it will only get worse.

Another part of my internet life is very Left indeed. I keep my mouth shut over there because that's where I go to try to escape politics. I am here to tell you that the Kids These Days do not understand what Dobbs did. They believe, utterly, that abortion was just banned.

They believe that Republicans are an existential threat to democracy and that Republicans should be banned from all manner of things, practicing medicine, practicing law, going to college at all, holding jobs, partaking in society at large. Because Republicans are evil and cheat.

A very few people there know that I have a JD and I was asked privately to explain what Dobbs meant. When I told those people that Dobbs meant states decided abortion laws and that CA and NY now have some of the most permissive laws in the world, I was met with shock.

Why? Because all the news sources they consume told them otherwise. I was accused of lying. I was accused of making it up. And when they went and checked and found out I was correct, the utter cognitive dissonance was painful to behold. Because these sources they trust lied.

The response was not to question worldview and whether those sources were lying to them about other matters. The response was ego defense. Okay well this is wrong but TX banned and that's what the rest of the country will do and they weren't lying, they were just upset!

That is the mental barrier with which messaging that's not fully of the Left, let alone being of the Right, is up against. Two generations of being told that Republicans are evil cheaters who aren't a legitimate political party. Two generations of no civics education, not really.

People don't like to question priors because doing so means admitting you did not interpret the world correctly and the ego will defend against that. It's been +/- 18 years since I've had to admit my view of Middle Eastern geopolitics was absolutely wrong. I'm still bitter.

We discuss Othering and that is also a problem. But there are two generations of Americans for whom a baseline worldview is that if the Republicans win, that can be ignored because it's not legitimate. And that I don't see changing. It's only going to get uglier from here. /fin

Oh boy, are you fighting against the “ambiguous Left” again?!?! That’s always fun. I hope you win, good luck!!

 

[Lesh]

Well, to be fair: The Election Was Stolen, President Is Illegitimate

Neither side is too big a fan of the other. Other than Bill Clinton, Republicans have considered democrat Presidents as "illegitimate". Obama was considered such by the birthers, and Biden is considered such due to people thinking the election was stolen.

I'm definitely far more conservative than liberal, but don't pretend like this isn't a two-way street...

“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

She's NOT questioning the actual election. That matters.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The leftist public objects to the states being allowed to decide this issue on their own. They might decide to decide differently than the left intends. The entire idea of freedom has become antiethical to the democrat left. Let people say anything they want! How dare they. Suppose they don't support critical race theory or gays coercing children? Only what supports the approved social emotional learning should have a voice. There is no room for Freedom,

the "American" offered itself to Communists in 1984 for their assistance in defeating Reagan. Didn't work so well but the Communists decided to take ownership anyway

 

[struth]

“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

She's NOT questioning the actual election. That matters.

she called him illegitimate…sounds like she is

the difference is he was legit..unlike your Dear Leader Joey Xiden who will forever have an *

 

[Canon Shooter]

“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

She's NOT questioning the actual election. That matters.

Thank you for, once again, completely missing the point of my post...

 

[Slade3200]

she called him illegitimate…sounds like she is

the difference is he was legit..unlike your Dear Leader Joey Xiden who will forever have an *

I guess you sound just like her then. Two peas in a pod. Does that give you warm and fuzzies?!

 

[struth]

I guess you sound just like her then. Two peas in a pod. Does that give you warm and fuzzies?!

huh? she lied and spread the russian hoax that she in fact paid for

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I always laugh when I see Dimocrats so upset and outraged that there are Republicans out there who believe the 2020 election was stolen (I don't by the way). I just want to remind everyone that Dimocrats, including many of their leaders, screamed endlessly that Bush stole the 2000 election due to the Florida debacle, and four years later they once again screamed that Bush stole the 2004 election due to irregularities in Ohio. Then of course they VERY famously once again screamed bloody murder that Trump stole the 2016 election due to Russia's involvement. Then 2020 came along, and Dimocrats and their MSM warned the country that the 2020 election was shaping up to be stolen by Trump and the GOP. Once Biden won, suddenly Dims were silent.

 

[Lesh]

she called him illegitimate…sounds like she is

the difference is he was legit..unlike your Dear Leader Joey Xiden who will forever have an *

reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

She's not questioning the actual election AT ALL

 

[Slade3200]

huh? she lied and spread the russian hoax that she in fact paid for

And you’re lying and spreading the stolen election hoax that Trump and Bannon concocted… like I said. Two peas in a pod

 

[struth]

reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

She's not questioning the actual election AT ALL

hahah you are ignoring the very first line where she said he was illegitimate

she’s questing the election when says that dumbass

dems have objected to and attempted to over throw the results of every election they lost this century…then whine like a little bunch of bitches when they get called out for the election they in fact steal

 

[Lesh]

screamed endlessly that Bush stole the 2000 election due to the Florida debacle,

We accepted that ridiculous SCOTUS opinion and moved on

Not happily and not without evidence later that we would have been better off had they NOT decided otherwise (Iraq and the 2007 Recession)

But we moved on and won in 2008

 

[struth]

And you’re lying and spreading the stolen election hoax that Trump and Bannon concocted… like I said. Two peas in a pod

trump and bannon didn’t steel the election.. It was state election commissions that illegal changed voting laws in the days before election days.

 

[Slade3200]

trump and bannon didn’t steel the election.. It was state election commissions that illegal changed voting laws in the days before election days.

Nobody stole the election. Trump and Bannon and crew planned on saying the election was stolen and claim victory if Trump lost. It’s on record, before the election even happened, as the plan of action should Biden win. Not based on facts, just a simple minded strategy to not concede defeat. And look how much money they are making off it now. You and your ILK are duped so easily. You can do better than that can’t you?!

 

[struth]

Nobody stole the election. Trump and Bannon and crew planned on saying the election was stolen and claim victory if Trump lost. It’s on record, before the election even happened, as the plan of action should Biden win. Not based on facts, just a simple minded strategy to not concede defeat. And look how much money they are making off it now. You and your ILK are duped so easily. You can do better than that can’t you?!

sorry the courts in place like PA have said the act was illegal

clearly stolen

meanwhile clinton paid for russian misinformation and spread lies about russian conspiracy hoax that folks like yourself ate up…that’s the difference

 

[Care4all]

trump and bannon didn’t steel the election.. It was state election commissions that illegal changed voting laws in the days before election days.

1) The changes were litigated in court. The citizens followed the rules they were told were legitimate. They have a constitutional right, for their vote to count.

What out of that, do you not understand?

2). Even if the minor changes made for the pandemic and other things did not take place, Biden STILL WON by a landslide!

Get that through your head!

 

[Slade3200]

sorry the courts in place like PA have said the act was illegal

clearly stolen

meanwhile clinton paid for russian misinformation and spread lies about russian conspiracy hoax that folks like yourself ate up…that’s the difference

Illegally changing voting procedures doesn’t invalidate the election. Legal issues are arbitrated in court. Did the PA court rule that the election was stolen or that the votes were fraudulent or that the votes shouldn’t count?

 

[struth]

1) The changes were litigated in court. The citizens followed the rules they were told were legitimate. They have a constitutional right, for their vote to count.

What out of that, do you not understand?

2). Even if the minor changes made for the pandemic and other things did not take place, Biden STILL WON by a landslide!

Get that through your head!

1) what part of the change weee illegal don’t you understand? stolen
2) he won because of illegal acts…hence why it was stolen and he’s illegitimate

 

[struth]

Illegally changing voting procedures doesn’t invalidate the election. Legal issues are arbitrated in court. Did the PA court rule that the election was stolen or that the votes were fraudulent or that the votes shouldn’t count?

he won because of illegal acts. The court said the acts were illegal

hence it’s stolen and his illegitimate. we are all suffering from the consequences of a stolen election.

 

[Slade3200]

1) what part of the change weee illegal don’t you understand? stolen
2) he won because of illegal acts…hence why it was stolen and he’s illegitimate

Wrong and wrong. There is a big difference between criminal activity to alter the vote and what actually happened which was not using the legislative process to change procedures to accommodate public safety during a pandemic. The courts did not rule that the election was stolen or that there was any criminal activity. It was a process issue. Stop spreading lies