The New Cult Of LGBT Packaging Of Child Sexual Mutilation: "Regular People Just Don't Care"

[aris2chat]

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

About 10 years ago I was in debate with a guy who was married to a woman. He decided to "go transgender". Had the surgery, all of it. He looked hideous. But also said he was still attracted to women sexually; as many of them still are. After pages and pages of very excruciating back and forth, involvement with moderators coddling him and so forth, the truth finally came out. He admitted that because he had a smaller penis than boys back in grade school gym class, he felt inadequate. They teased & taunted him so that he began to hate males in general altogether. Being male himself, that meant his own equipment. So, he deduced it had to go. But he was still depressed afterwards. The "treatment" didn't change that at all. And of course, his wife was talking about leaving him at that time. Not sure if she ever did.

When waxing poetic about "being a woman finally" all he would talk about was how gaudy his clothing would be, the extremes of what he saw as the opposite of what he hated...high heels, tons of makeup, everything pink pink pink, long nails and on and on and on. Those are not universal themes of being female BTW. They are only the stereotypes he had in his mind being raised in America. So that was what he thought "would finally make him not male".

And he had not told this to his therapists BTW. He had coerced them to believe he was one of the ones you seem to think belong to the 88% who didn't suffer abuse. Abuse can take many forms; not all of them easily detected on a simple form before one is admitted for surgical amputation of one's penis and testicles. Turns out his was peer abuse. But I can imagine a boy seeing a horribly violent stepfather or another set of males beating up on people or any other extremely negative association with the stereotype grown in his mind as "being male" would lead him in certain extreme cases to want to change his gender to the stereotypical "western female" one. And it's a "fix" that doesn't work to root out the actual problem of the mind.

Doctors know this, and hence the waiver. That they would take money to do what they know is wrong is a criminal offense and gross malpractice.

If he felt inadiquate he could have had phalloplasty instead of having it removed

Your attitude is based on one case of one transgender you "knew"

I'm sure there is more to this story that you are not privy to or not telling

How long did he live as a woman before surgery? What were his expectations before getting the surgery?

How much testing and counseling did he get before beginning hormones?

How many transgenders had his doctors treated before him?

What other conditions did he have before he considered he was transgender?

 

[hazlnut]

I have noticed a disturbing trend since the cult of LGBT lost the election for the democrats. Because undoubtedly the discussions behind closed doors turned to Obama's Executive Order to allow sexually deranged boys in girls bathrooms in schools across the country. That was, as they say, the proverbial straw that busted the working class voters' value vote this year. And ouch, what a mistake.

Deciding, obviously and evidently, to not scrape off this cult and its value system, the new packaging of the extremely controversial subject of drugging children to get "sex change" procedures has taken a new twist. The idea is to ultimately amputate their healthy organs after the MDs make them sign a waiver saying "you know this won't really make you the opposite gender"....

But how to get the public behind this Machiavellian practice with all those pesky child welfare protection laws on the Federal and states' books? Sell it to the public. Wrapped in a new "who gives a fuck?" package.

The argument goes something like this: "Look, what people do with their bodies is THEIR business. Who care if this or that person (read: child, but not stated out loud) decides they want to try a sex change? It's not hurting me!"

Or, stated more simply the new sell could be called "Silent assent of child abuse by refusing to care." The only problem with that is, that there are laws on the books federally and in most if not all states that say if you even suspect child abuse is going on, it is a violation of law to not report it or do something about it. So will they next lobby Congress to relax child protection laws if enough people "just don't care one way or the other"? Have we gone so far down the perversity-cult rabbit hole that we don't even care to protect children anymore?

Stand up and fight them. Fight them with all you have. Do NOT be lulled to sleep or brow beaten for CARING ABOUT CHILDREN! Fer crissakes.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf#page=2&view=Reporting by other persons

Approximately 48 States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands designate professions whose members are mandated by law to report child maltreatment. The word “ approximately” is used to stress the fact that States frequently amend their laws. This information is current only through August 2015. At that time, New Jersey and Wyoming were the only two States that did not enumerate specific professional groups as mandated reporters but required all persons to report....Social workers Teachers, principals, and other school personnel Physicians, nurses, and other health-care workers..Counselors, therapists, and other mental health professionals Child care providers Medical examiners or coroners Law enforcement officer

Reporting by Other Persons In approximately 18 States and Puerto Rico, any person who suspects child abuse or neglect is required to report. Of these 18 States, 16 States and Puerto Rico specify certain professionals who must report, but also require all persons to report suspected abuse or neglect, regardless of profession. Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah.

Now, is it child abuse or not to drug a minor teen with the intention of eventually having that drugging leading them to seek to have their genitals amputated? Is that coercion of child mental illness or not? If you believe it is, you are REQUIRED BY LAW to do something about it. If you live in one of the states mentioned above and you do not actively try to interfere or stop your neighbor having their child drugged to get a sex change eventually, you can be criminally prosecuted for failing to protect that child from its parents and its (malpracticing) "doctors". Doctors are not exempt from introspection of practices that endanger children. If you know of doctors doing these procedures in these states, INSIST ON CITIZEN PROSECUTION of them. Hound your district attorneys into next year and force them to act to protect children.

In your post, you allege a scheme to drug children and give them sex change operations. You describe it as a "Machiavellian practice".


Two things:

1. your alleged conspiracy laughably insanely stupid, and thus you're an idiot of believing it.

2. you obviously don't know what the word Machiavellian means.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Men and women for other reasons are given hormones for the rest of their lives but you don't seem to be objecting to doctors treating them

hormones are also given to women who have been diagnosed with breats cancer.

Under a doctor's care they can and are prescribed and should be.

Your hang up still seems to be with transgenders

The World Health Organization has declared hormone additives carcinogenic. But that was merely a formality. Everyone, including MDs & pharmacological companies already has known that with a yawn for decades now. Hormones in ten years, because of that declaration, in most countries except those like ours where BigPharma lobbies relaxed laws in their favor, will not be prescribed except in cases where doing so will save a life.

You don't save the life of a boy who has deep seated psychological rejection of his own gender by prescribing him estrogen. You don't save his life by chopping his dick off after years of taking estrogen so he no longer is able to make "his own" choice on that surgery. You put the boy on a couch and ask him what male person in his life made him so disgusted with men in general that he rejected his own body parts. That's how you treat that mental illness.

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

Yes it does. 'Heterosexuality' is the default 'sexual orientation' of all mammalia.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Men and women for other reasons are given hormones for the rest of their lives but you don't seem to be objecting to doctors treating them

hormones are also given to women who have been diagnosed with breats cancer.

Under a doctor's care they can and are prescribed and should be.

Your hang up still seems to be with transgenders

The World Health Organization has declared hormone additives carcinogenic. But that was merely a formality. Everyone, including MDs & pharmacological companies already has known that with a yawn for decades now. Hormones in ten years, because of that declaration, in most countries except those like ours where BigPharma lobbies relaxed laws in their favor, will not be prescribed except in cases where doing so will save a life.

You don't save the life of a boy who has deep seated psychological rejection of his own gender by prescribing him estrogen. You don't save his life by chopping his dick off after years of taking estrogen so he no longer is able to make "his own" choice on that surgery. You put the boy on a couch and ask him what male person in his life made him so disgusted with men in general that he rejected his own body parts. That's how you treat that mental illness.

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

Lol....this comment started off on a downhill slide!

 

[aris2chat]

Men and women for other reasons are given hormones for the rest of their lives but you don't seem to be objecting to doctors treating them

hormones are also given to women who have been diagnosed with breats cancer.

Under a doctor's care they can and are prescribed and should be.

Your hang up still seems to be with transgenders

The World Health Organization has declared hormone additives carcinogenic. But that was merely a formality. Everyone, including MDs & pharmacological companies already has known that with a yawn for decades now. Hormones in ten years, because of that declaration, in most countries except those like ours where BigPharma lobbies relaxed laws in their favor, will not be prescribed except in cases where doing so will save a life.

You don't save the life of a boy who has deep seated psychological rejection of his own gender by prescribing him estrogen. You don't save his life by chopping his dick off after years of taking estrogen so he no longer is able to make "his own" choice on that surgery. You put the boy on a couch and ask him what male person in his life made him so disgusted with men in general that he rejected his own body parts. That's how you treat that mental illness.

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

Yes it does. 'Heterosexuality' is the default 'sexual orientation' of all mammalia.

And of the 1000 or so species that have homosexal?

hermaphrodite species?

what of cross species sex?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Men and women for other reasons are given hormones for the rest of their lives but you don't seem to be objecting to doctors treating them

hormones are also given to women who have been diagnosed with breats cancer.

Under a doctor's care they can and are prescribed and should be.

Your hang up still seems to be with transgenders

The World Health Organization has declared hormone additives carcinogenic. But that was merely a formality. Everyone, including MDs & pharmacological companies already has known that with a yawn for decades now. Hormones in ten years, because of that declaration, in most countries except those like ours where BigPharma lobbies relaxed laws in their favor, will not be prescribed except in cases where doing so will save a life.

You don't save the life of a boy who has deep seated psychological rejection of his own gender by prescribing him estrogen. You don't save his life by chopping his dick off after years of taking estrogen so he no longer is able to make "his own" choice on that surgery. You put the boy on a couch and ask him what male person in his life made him so disgusted with men in general that he rejected his own body parts. That's how you treat that mental illness.

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

Yes it does. 'Heterosexuality' is the default 'sexual orientation' of all mammalia.

And of the 1000 or so species that have homosexal?

hermaphrodite species?

what of cross species sex?

Hermaphrodites are sterile, Aris.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

I have noticed a disturbing trend since the cult of LGBT lost the election for the democrats. Because undoubtedly the discussions behind closed doors turned to Obama's Executive Order to allow sexually deranged boys in girls bathrooms in schools across the country. That was, as they say, the proverbial straw that busted the working class voters' value vote this year. And ouch, what a mistake.

Deciding, obviously and evidently, to not scrape off this cult and its value system, the new packaging of the extremely controversial subject of drugging children to get "sex change" procedures has taken a new twist. The idea is to ultimately amputate their healthy organs after the MDs make them sign a waiver saying "you know this won't really make you the opposite gender"....

But how to get the public behind this Machiavellian practice with all those pesky child welfare protection laws on the Federal and states' books? Sell it to the public. Wrapped in a new "who gives a fuck?" package.

The argument goes something like this: "Look, what people do with their bodies is THEIR business. Who care if this or that person (read: child, but not stated out loud) decides they want to try a sex change? It's not hurting me!"

Or, stated more simply the new sell could be called "Silent assent of child abuse by refusing to care." The only problem with that is, that there are laws on the books federally and in most if not all states that say if you even suspect child abuse is going on, it is a violation of law to not report it or do something about it. So will they next lobby Congress to relax child protection laws if enough people "just don't care one way or the other"? Have we gone so far down the perversity-cult rabbit hole that we don't even care to protect children anymore?

Stand up and fight them. Fight them with all you have. Do NOT be lulled to sleep or brow beaten for CARING ABOUT CHILDREN! Fer crissakes.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf#page=2&view=Reporting by other persons

Approximately 48 States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands designate professions whose members are mandated by law to report child maltreatment. The word “ approximately” is used to stress the fact that States frequently amend their laws. This information is current only through August 2015. At that time, New Jersey and Wyoming were the only two States that did not enumerate specific professional groups as mandated reporters but required all persons to report....Social workers Teachers, principals, and other school personnel Physicians, nurses, and other health-care workers..Counselors, therapists, and other mental health professionals Child care providers Medical examiners or coroners Law enforcement officer

Reporting by Other Persons In approximately 18 States and Puerto Rico, any person who suspects child abuse or neglect is required to report. Of these 18 States, 16 States and Puerto Rico specify certain professionals who must report, but also require all persons to report suspected abuse or neglect, regardless of profession. Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah.

Now, is it child abuse or not to drug a minor teen with the intention of eventually having that drugging leading them to seek to have their genitals amputated? Is that coercion of child mental illness or not? If you believe it is, you are REQUIRED BY LAW to do something about it. If you live in one of the states mentioned above and you do not actively try to interfere or stop your neighbor having their child drugged to get a sex change eventually, you can be criminally prosecuted for failing to protect that child from its parents and its (malpracticing) "doctors". Doctors are not exempt from introspection of practices that endanger children. If you know of doctors doing these procedures in these states, INSIST ON CITIZEN PROSECUTION of them. Hound your district attorneys into next year and force them to act to protect children.

In your post, you allege a scheme to drug children and give them sex change operations. You describe it as a "Machiavellian practice".


Two things:

1. your alleged conspiracy laughably insanely stupid, and thus you're an idiot of believing it.

2. you obviously don't know what the word Machiavellian means.

You obviously should die of AIDS, soddie.

 

[aris2chat]

Men and women for other reasons are given hormones for the rest of their lives but you don't seem to be objecting to doctors treating them

hormones are also given to women who have been diagnosed with breats cancer.

Under a doctor's care they can and are prescribed and should be.

Your hang up still seems to be with transgenders

The World Health Organization has declared hormone additives carcinogenic. But that was merely a formality. Everyone, including MDs & pharmacological companies already has known that with a yawn for decades now. Hormones in ten years, because of that declaration, in most countries except those like ours where BigPharma lobbies relaxed laws in their favor, will not be prescribed except in cases where doing so will save a life.

You don't save the life of a boy who has deep seated psychological rejection of his own gender by prescribing him estrogen. You don't save his life by chopping his dick off after years of taking estrogen so he no longer is able to make "his own" choice on that surgery. You put the boy on a couch and ask him what male person in his life made him so disgusted with men in general that he rejected his own body parts. That's how you treat that mental illness.

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

Yes it does. 'Heterosexuality' is the default 'sexual orientation' of all mammalia.

And of the 1000 or so species that have homosexal?

hermaphrodite species?

what of cross species sex?

Hermaphrodites are sterile, Aris.

Then the species would have died out not be some of the oldest in the world

List of Hermaphrodite Animals | Animals - mom.me
animals.mom.me › Wildlife and Exotic Animals
Echinoderms are marine invertebrates. They include sea stars, sea cucumbers, sea urchins and sand dollars. Some of the most well known echinoderms are also hermaphrodites. Certain species of sea star, like the common cushion star (Asterina gibbosa), are sequential hermaphrodites -- changing gender from male to female.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

The World Health Organization has declared hormone additives carcinogenic. But that was merely a formality. Everyone, including MDs & pharmacological companies already has known that with a yawn for decades now. Hormones in ten years, because of that declaration, in most countries except those like ours where BigPharma lobbies relaxed laws in their favor, will not be prescribed except in cases where doing so will save a life.

You don't save the life of a boy who has deep seated psychological rejection of his own gender by prescribing him estrogen. You don't save his life by chopping his dick off after years of taking estrogen so he no longer is able to make "his own" choice on that surgery. You put the boy on a couch and ask him what male person in his life made him so disgusted with men in general that he rejected his own body parts. That's how you treat that mental illness.

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

Yes it does. 'Heterosexuality' is the default 'sexual orientation' of all mammalia.

And of the 1000 or so species that have homosexal?

hermaphrodite species?

what of cross species sex?

Hermaphrodites are sterile, Aris.

Then the species would have died out not be some of the oldest in the world

List of Hermaphrodite Animals | Animals - mom.me
animals.mom.me › Wildlife and Exotic Animals
Echinoderms are marine invertebrates. They include sea stars, sea cucumbers, sea urchins and sand dollars. Some of the most well known echinoderms are also hermaphrodites. Certain species of sea star, like the common cushion star (Asterina gibbosa), are sequential hermaphrodites -- changing gender from male to female.

You don't know what hermaphrodite means as far as humans are concerned and neither does the author of the article you are quoting.

 

[aris2chat]

When was the last time you went to psychiatrist?

and what of the other 88% of transgenders who were not abused?

The percent of abuse is only a fractions higher than that of other children and the majority of children abused are female.

>>sexual abuse does not "cause" heterosexual youth to become LGBTQ<<

Yes it does. 'Heterosexuality' is the default 'sexual orientation' of all mammalia.

And of the 1000 or so species that have homosexal?

hermaphrodite species?

what of cross species sex?

Hermaphrodites are sterile, Aris.

Then the species would have died out not be some of the oldest in the world

List of Hermaphrodite Animals | Animals - mom.me
animals.mom.me › Wildlife and Exotic Animals
Echinoderms are marine invertebrates. They include sea stars, sea cucumbers, sea urchins and sand dollars. Some of the most well known echinoderms are also hermaphrodites. Certain species of sea star, like the common cushion star (Asterina gibbosa), are sequential hermaphrodites -- changing gender from male to female.

You don't know what hermaphrodite means as far as humans are concerned and neither does the author of the article you are quoting.

>>No, human hermaphrodites are not sterile<<

 

[Silhouette]

>>No, human hermaphrodites are not sterile<<

Are you going for a world record on strawmen introduced into one thread aris2chat?

 

[aris2chat]

>>No, human hermaphrodites are not sterile<<

Are you going for a world record on strawmen introduced into one thread aris2chat?

http://medind.nic.in/jaq/t06/i4/jaqt06i4p350.pdf

 

[aris2chat]

http://www.rbmojournal.com/article/S1472-6483(10)00648-6/abstract

 

[DrainBamage]

Stand up and fight them. Fight them with all you have.

Curious = what exactly are you doing to fight them "with all you have" on this issue? Does making thread suffice as all you have?

 

[Silhouette]

Stand up and fight them. Fight them with all you have.

Curious = what exactly are you doing to fight them "with all you have" on this issue? Does making thread suffice as all you have?

I outlined the ways people should fight. They need to open their mouths in every venue possible. Especially public social situations.

An example might be at a cocktail party where two men brag about "their children" together. Mention "where's the mom?". When they retort "they don't need one, they have us!" say "shouldn't little girls have a mom to look up to?"...and so on. (Except that gay men almost universally shop for little boys instead of girls)

Get it?

 

[DrainBamage]

I outlined the ways people should fight. They need to open their mouths in every venue possible. Especially public social situations.

An example might be at a cocktail party where two men brag about "their children" together. Mention "where's the mom?". When they retort "they don't need one, they have us!" say "shouldn't little girls have a mom to look up to?"...and so on. (Except that gay men almost universally shop for little boys instead of girls)

Get it?

I think I do get it. When you say people should fight with all they have on this issue, you mean you plan to always be aware at cocktail parties for any comments by gays that open an opportunity to confront them.

Your definition of fighting with all you have is truly inspiring, and I'm in awe at the amount of effort and commitment you are making for the cause. Someday you'll be listed among the great leaders in social change, probably one spot above Spartacus.

Fight on brother!

 

[Silhouette]

I think I do get it. When you say people should fight with all they have on this issue, you mean you plan to always be aware at cocktail parties for any comments by gays that open an opportunity to confront them.

Your definition of fighting with all you have is truly inspiring, and I'm in awe at the amount of effort and commitment you are making for the cause. Someday you'll be listed among the great leaders in social change, probably one spot above Spartacus.

Fight on brother!

No idiot. EVERYWHERE. Be vocal EVERYWHERE. Call your representatives, tell them you think boys and girls shouldn't be legally bifurcated from either a mother or father for life "in marriage". Tell your representatives you want doctors prosecuted for illegally prescribing hormones and surgery that they make mentally ill people sign waivers for that say, in essence "this treatment that can kill you or maim you or give you cancer is merely a placebo; there is no physical cure for your mental illness".

Not JUST cocktail parties....brother...

 

[aris2chat]

I think I do get it. When you say people should fight with all they have on this issue, you mean you plan to always be aware at cocktail parties for any comments by gays that open an opportunity to confront them.

Your definition of fighting with all you have is truly inspiring, and I'm in awe at the amount of effort and commitment you are making for the cause. Someday you'll be listed among the great leaders in social change, probably one spot above Spartacus.

Fight on brother!

No idiot. EVERYWHERE. Be vocal EVERYWHERE. Call your representatives, tell them you think boys and girls shouldn't be legally bifurcated from either a mother or father for life "in marriage". Tell your representatives you want doctors prosecuted for illegally prescribing hormones and surgery that they make mentally ill people sign waivers for that say, in essence "this treatment that can kill you or maim you or give you cancer is merely a placebo; there is no physical cure for your mental illness".

Not JUST cocktail parties....brother...

and you want to deny hormones from all the other people that need them?

Not your right to decide who does and does not get to get which treatment for which conditions

Except that I can't take Rx hormones, I should have been on them, instead I take herbs which are not ass effective.

Not for you to decide what i should take. Not for you to interfere in my medical treatment.

Hormones are given to many reason but you seem to be hung up on the idea they might in abusive doses cause cancer. Almost anything in high doses will cause cancer. Does not give in normal medical circumstances.

Breathing causes cancer but are you going to deny air to the population?

Food causes cancer

Brushing your teeth causes cancer

Cleaning your home cause cancer

Nature, plants and fungus cause cancer

Almost everything around us causes cancer.

Are you going to live in a bubble, which probably also would cause cancer, the rest of your life? What would you eat or drink to stay alive?

We can cure many cancers, but you would deny people medicines/hormones they need rather than give them a quality of life and treat the cancer "IF" they should ever get it years down the line?

Not the hormone per se but, if I had to be take off meds that give me a better quality of life I'd commit suicide. I've had my plans in place for more than two decades should I need them. I've been on the medical rollercoaster and have found what is best for me for the time being, some traditional/modern med, some alternative. I constantly need to adjust to changes but I have enough knowledge of medicine and my body to work with my doctors to make them.

Stay out of the medical files and treatment of others.

If you don't want to be out on hormones, ask for an alternative. Don't interfere in the treatment and choices of others

I had cancer because I was not on hormones and cured it within months. Cancer is not a death sentence and not everyone has to go through chemo or surgery or radiation to become cancer free.

Take care of your own health and choices, but stay out of everyone else's

 

[Silhouette]

and you want to deny hormones from all the other people that need them?

The hormones prescribed to "transgenders" are not needed. Read my last post. Therefore, your statement is a strawman.

 

[aris2chat]

and you want to deny hormones from all the other people that need them?

The hormones prescribed to "transgenders" are not needed. Read my last post. Therefore, your statement is a strawman.

For them it is necessary. Their doctors and psychiatrists obviously think it is necessary for them.

Not for you to decide what is necessary for them and more than you deciding what is necessary for anyone else.

You decide for you and your body....ONLY