The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

75 years ago: Zionists helped defeat racial segregation in Baltimore

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[Sixties Fan]

The Ihud found Fawzi Darwish Hussaini, a labor activist and a cousin of the mufti. He was willing to sign an agreement with his Jewish friends providing for a bi-national state based on the principle of no domination of one nation over the other. He suggested the immediate establishment of political clubs and a daily newspaper to combat the influence of the Arab war party.

On 11 November 1946, five members of Young Palestine, Fawzi’s group, signed an agreement concerning common political action with Ihud representatives, but this promising initiative came to a sudden and tragic end. Twelve days later Fawzi was killed by Arab terrorists and his group dispersed. ‘My cousin stumbled and received his proper punishment’, Jamal Hussaini, one of the leaders of the extremist party, declared a few days later.




Laquer goes on and relates that in September 1947, Sami Taha, a prominent Haifa trade resident, was killed. His society had declared itself in favor of a Palestinian, not an Arab state, acknowledging that Jews too had certain rights. He had become a target for extremists.

(full article online)

Saluting Two Arab Palestinian Martyrs

I found myself directed to Walter Laqueur's A History of Zionism , p 267, where he mentions two of the many assassinations of Arabs who op...

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[P F Tinmore]

How Britain Started the Arab-Israeli Conflict | Free Documentary History​

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How Britain Started the Arab-Israeli Conflict | Free Documentary History​

Where's the video about how the Arabs keep losing it over and over and over and over and over.........

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where's the video about how the Arabs keep losing it over and over and over and over and over.........

When did the Palestinians ever lose a war?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When did the Palestinians ever lose a war?

What are Palestinians?

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

( The British, first they take away 78% of the Jewish land from the Jews, then they cut the ability of Jews to return to their homeland, and then.......and then....
Christian hatred of Jews at its best. A mere continuation of the Inquisition against the Jews, which simply will not end )

Lord Moyne's successor, Sir James Grigg, echoed that opinion on January 3, 1945:



The assassination truly shocked England and the world. Unlike Lord Moyne's earlier comments, which were clearly antisemitic, Churchill's and Grigg's comments can be interpreted as being only against the Jewish groups that attacked the British, not against all Zionists.

Nevertheless, they opened the door for more disgusting uses of the analogy.

The next British official to compare the entire Zionist movement to the Nazis was Sir Edward Spears, in 1946 well after the full horrors of the Holocaust were well known. From United Press, January 30, 1946:




Arab diplomats took up the slander around the same time, with the "Jew as Nazi" theme that has remained a consistent feature of antisemites ever since.

The Arab League made the analogy on December 6, 1945, again comparing Jewish immigration to the Nazis: (Manchester Guardian, December 7, 1945)



In September 1947, the Arab delegate accused Jews of Nazi behavior at the very same time he threatened that the Arabs would kill them all:





And in October 1947, the head of the Arab delegation to the partition talks in Lake Success said that Zionists weren't interested in Palestine but wanted to use that as a gateway to take over the entire Middle East - just like Nazis, somehow.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In 2015, The New Republic published an article about the etymology of the word "Holocaust" as it is currently used.

There has long been a rigorous debate among etymologists and historians as to when the lowercased “holocaust,” generically defined as a large-scale calamity usually involving fire, became the proper noun used specifically to name the period of Nazi genocide against European Jews. Yet there is little debate that that formalization occurred years after the war’s end.

...According to a 2005 Jewish Forward piece, a top rabbi in what was then Palestine wrote to a colleague in a telegram about the need for a “day of mourning throughout [the] world for holocaust synagogues [in] Germany” after Kristallnacht, a November 1938 night of terror in which Jewish homes were ransacked and windows broken across Germany.

There were smatterings of usage prior to World War II to refer to mass slaughters, too, including with regard to the Armenian Genocide. And a 1943 New York Times piece about talks regarding Palestine references “the hundreds and thousands of European Jews still surviving the Nazi holocaust.”

Yet for decades after the war, the genocide lacked any formal title in English except, perhaps, “The Final Solution,” the term the Nazis used. In Hebrew, the calamity quickly became known as “Shoah,” which means “the catastrophe.” But it wasn’t until the 1960s that scholars and writers began using the term “Holocaust,” and it took the 1978 TV film Holocaust, starring Meryl Streep, to push it into widespread use.

The 1938 use of the word is interesting, but this article seems to say that the May 23, 1943 New York Times article is one of the earliest uses of that word specifically to refer to the genocide of Jews in Europe.

I have found an earlier mention.

The Pensacola Journal, March 13, 1943, had an editorial about a mass meeting by Jews in New York to urge the nascent United Nations to publicly deplore the extermination of Jews. The final statement of the meeting included the word "holocaust:"




(full article online)

When was the term "holocaust" first used for the Holocaust?

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[rylah]

Arab supremacists have nothing original to say,
most simply can't pronounce the name of the land.

Even the slogan "Free Palestine" was appropriated from the Jews...

 

[Sixties Fan]

My name is Varda Meyers Epstein and I would like to tell you about my husband’s cousin, Jacob (Yaacov) Wexler, who was murdered in the 1929 Hebron Massacre because of his religious identity as a Jew.

Jacob (Yaacov) Wexler circa 1929

Jackie, as he was known, grew up in Chicago, where he was a promising student at the Hebrew Theological College. During a family visit to British Mandate Palestine, 16-year-old Jackie begged to stay in order to study at the famed Slabodka Yeshiva (seminary) in Hebron. Jackie’s father Richard, after being reassured by American students already at the seminary that Jackie would be safe and well taken care of, consented to allow his son to stay and fully immerse himself in his Torah studies.

During his time at the yeshiva, Jackie was happy. In a letter to his parents he praised the yeshiva and his life in the Land of Israel. "I've never experienced happiness my whole life as in Simchat Torah* in Hebron," he wrote.

In August of 1929, the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin El Husseini, preached from the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem that the Jews planned to take control of the site. The Jews had no such plans and in any event, had no power. The British were in charge and they favored the Arabs. But the rumor that the Jews planned to take over the Mount was all that was needed to incite the Arab masses to violence.

The Mufti’s words unleashed a wave of pogroms beginning in Jerusalem and spreading to other cities. Angry Arab mobs stormed Safed and Hebron, massacring more than 100 Jews. Jackie Wexler, of Chicago, now 17, was one of the 67 Jews murdered in Hebron. Like the others, Jackie was murdered because he was a Jew.

There is documentation of what happened in Hebron. There were decapitations, gouged-out eyes, rapes, members cut off and stuffed into body cavities, limbs and digits sliced off, the heads of babies bashed against ancient walls. Women, babies, young children, and the elderly were all murdered. Jackie died from an axe blow to the head. All of these people were murdered because of their religious identity. They were murdered because they were Jews.

No one should be murdered because of their religious identity, no matter where they live. No young person should be murdered because of their religious identity while studying abroad at a seminary, no matter where that seminary is located. Jackie Wexler’s story is just one of many. Jews were killed because they were Jews before there was a state called “Israel.” Jews continue to be targeted in their own state in Arab terror attacks, only because they are Jews.

This is tragic. It is systematic discrimination based on religious identity—worse yet, it is murder, every time it happens—and it is plainly wrong.

In sharing this true story of a family member who was targeted and murdered in the city of Hebron because of his religious identity, I hope to add to the body of information examined by your “Commission of Inquiry.”

Further information and sources are listed below my signature.
Sincerely,

Varda Meyers Epstein

A Western Union telegram telling Jackie’s parents that they should prepare themselves “for the worst,” can be seen here: Letters of Yaacov Wexler – Murdered in the 1929 Massacre in Yeshivat Hebron | kedem Auction House Ltd.

A list of the 67 murdered Jews of Hebron can be seen here: In Memoriam: Full List of the Victims the 1929 Hebron Massacre

Eyewitness testimonies from survivors regarding the Hebron Massacre can be seen here: THE HEBRON MASSACRE OF 1929:

*Simchat Torah is a Jewish holiday that celebrates the yearly completion of the Torah as the new cycle is begun. The name of the holiday translates to “Rejoicing of the Torah.” See: Simchat Torah | Meaning, Traditions, Symbols, & Facts

(full article online)

The Jacob Wexler Story: A Submission to the UN "Commission of Inquiry” Kangaroo Court

Human Rights Voices is calling on those who care about Israel, to respond to #PillaysPogrom with their own submissions

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[Sixties Fan]

1) Jews are the indigenous people of Palestine, preceding Arab arrival by some two millennia and having maintained a continuous presence and several periods of sovereignty in this land over some 3,000 years, since the Kingdom of David in 1,000 BCE.

2) The Arabs, who did not define themselves as Palestinians until 1964, have never had sovereignty—or even control—over Palestine.

3) The formation of the State of Israel in Palestine was preceded by determined Zionists and Zionist organizing that began officially in 1897 with the first Zionist Congress—45 years before the shame of Wannsee.

4) A distinct ambivalence—and even outright opposition—towards a Jewish state in Palestine predominated in many nations, including Great Britain and the United States.

While Great Britain deserves credit for the 1917 Balfour Declaration, it quickly worked to undo its effects, violating its League of Nations-granted mandate by carving out two-thirds of the land for what became Jordan. Then, it promulgated the infamous 1939 Palestine White Paper which virtually eliminated Jewish immigration to Palestine.

Issued just months before Hitler’s war was launched, the White Paper cut off European Jewry from the only place in the world to which they could flee. Other countries wouldn’t shelter them—much less welcome them. In the ensuing world war, the Jews were trapped in a continental slaughterhouse, which the Wannsee Conference had made far more efficient.



After Germany’s defeat, the Allies created the United Nations, which did nothing to help Jewish survivors to reach Palestine from their squalid refugee camps in Europe. There was no call to Britain to lift the White Paper’s limits on immigration to Palestine, where a civil war erupted between Jews and Arabs—with each also attacking the British.

Britain, exhausted by World War II, announced in early 1947 that it was relinquishing its U.N. Mandate for Palestine. Thus, the 1947 U.N. vote to partition Palestine was just an empty gesture: The only thing clear was that some kind of division of Palestine was certain once the British withdrew.

Most agreed that declaring a Jewish state would create yet another bloodbath for the Jews, who were then a distinct minority in greater Palestine, and were vastly outnumbered by the surrounding Arab nations, all of whom pledged the eradication of the Zionist presence.

Caring more about relations with Arab nations than the survivors of the Holocaust, the Allies all imposed arms embargoes against the Jews of Palestine. The partition plan did nothing to protect a Jewish state in Palestine, and those who ratified it cared not a whit about the survival of the Jewish community.

The State of Israel was declared on May 14, 1948, moments after the last British troops left. The U.N. resolution hadn’t called for Jewish statehood, and many foreign politicians thought it was unwise, including the American Secretary of State, George Marshall.

The European powers, the United States and the United Nations prepared to watch a continuation of the Holocaust as Israel was swarmed by Arab armies.

Israel survived—and has flourished—because of the incredible commitment, leadership and courage of its own population (then just a few hundred thousand), facing millions of Arabs and five invading armies.

In fact, there was no inevitability of Israel resulting from the Wannsee Conference in 1942. And no toothless U.N. General Assembly Resolution birthed Israel in 1947.

The courageous leaders and people of Israel created—and fought at a huge cost of blood and treasure to create—the State of Israel in 1948.

(full article online)

The Jewish people alone created Israel, not the Holocaust and not the UN

Four facts that put the lie to the tidy narrative that the creation of Israel was a result of European guilt. Op-ed.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

1) Jews are the indigenous people of Palestine, preceding Arab arrival by some two millennia and having maintained a continuous presence and several periods of sovereignty in this land over some 3,000 years, since the Kingdom of David in 1,000 BCE.

2) The Arabs, who did not define themselves as Palestinians until 1964, have never had sovereignty—or even control—over Palestine.

3) The formation of the State of Israel in Palestine was preceded by determined Zionists and Zionist organizing that began officially in 1897 with the first Zionist Congress—45 years before the shame of Wannsee.

4) A distinct ambivalence—and even outright opposition—towards a Jewish state in Palestine predominated in many nations, including Great Britain and the United States.

While Great Britain deserves credit for the 1917 Balfour Declaration, it quickly worked to undo its effects, violating its League of Nations-granted mandate by carving out two-thirds of the land for what became Jordan. Then, it promulgated the infamous 1939 Palestine White Paper which virtually eliminated Jewish immigration to Palestine.

Issued just months before Hitler’s war was launched, the White Paper cut off European Jewry from the only place in the world to which they could flee. Other countries wouldn’t shelter them—much less welcome them. In the ensuing world war, the Jews were trapped in a continental slaughterhouse, which the Wannsee Conference had made far more efficient.



After Germany’s defeat, the Allies created the United Nations, which did nothing to help Jewish survivors to reach Palestine from their squalid refugee camps in Europe. There was no call to Britain to lift the White Paper’s limits on immigration to Palestine, where a civil war erupted between Jews and Arabs—with each also attacking the British.

Britain, exhausted by World War II, announced in early 1947 that it was relinquishing its U.N. Mandate for Palestine. Thus, the 1947 U.N. vote to partition Palestine was just an empty gesture: The only thing clear was that some kind of division of Palestine was certain once the British withdrew.

Most agreed that declaring a Jewish state would create yet another bloodbath for the Jews, who were then a distinct minority in greater Palestine, and were vastly outnumbered by the surrounding Arab nations, all of whom pledged the eradication of the Zionist presence.

Caring more about relations with Arab nations than the survivors of the Holocaust, the Allies all imposed arms embargoes against the Jews of Palestine. The partition plan did nothing to protect a Jewish state in Palestine, and those who ratified it cared not a whit about the survival of the Jewish community.

The State of Israel was declared on May 14, 1948, moments after the last British troops left. The U.N. resolution hadn’t called for Jewish statehood, and many foreign politicians thought it was unwise, including the American Secretary of State, George Marshall.

The European powers, the United States and the United Nations prepared to watch a continuation of the Holocaust as Israel was swarmed by Arab armies.

Israel survived—and has flourished—because of the incredible commitment, leadership and courage of its own population (then just a few hundred thousand), facing millions of Arabs and five invading armies.

In fact, there was no inevitability of Israel resulting from the Wannsee Conference in 1942. And no toothless U.N. General Assembly Resolution birthed Israel in 1947.

The courageous leaders and people of Israel created—and fought at a huge cost of blood and treasure to create—the State of Israel in 1948.

(full article online)

The Jewish people alone created Israel, not the Holocaust and not the UN

Four facts that put the lie to the tidy narrative that the creation of Israel was a result of European guilt. Op-ed.

www.israelnationalnews.com

WOW, so many Israeli talking points in one post.

Israel did not get land or state from the Mandate. Israel did not get land or state from the UN.

The Zionists unilaterally declared independence on Palestinian land in 1948. Actually, Israel did not define any territory in 1948.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Zionists unilaterally declared independence on Palestinian land in 1948.

Palestinians didn't own the land in 1948.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians didn't own the land in 1948.

Link?

Of course not.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Link?

Of course not.

I know, I've never seen a link that showed the Palestinians owned any land in 1948.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: What actual step created Israel.
※→ P F Timore, et al,

PREFACE: "Self-determination became officially sanctioned after 1945, when it was included in the United Nations Charter, though it applied to existing states, not to peoples or national groups." ... "
Still, self-determination applied to territories and not to peoples."

SELF-DETERMINATION
Sovereignty, Territorial Integrity, and the Right to Secession​

REPORT FROM A ROUNDTABLE HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE’S POLICY PLANNING STAFF. See Page V of Summary
By Patricia Carley

WOW, so many Israeli talking points in one post.

Israel did not get land or state from the Mandate. Israel did not get land or state from the UN.

The Zionists unilaterally declared independence on Palestinian land in 1948. Actually, Israel did not define any territory in 1948.

(COMMENT)

This is the Statment of Self-Determination.

"We, the members of the National Council, representing the Jewish people in Palestine and the Zionist movement of the world, proclaim the establishment of the Jewish State in Palestine, to be called Israel."​

Paris, 29 November 1948

On 14 May 1948, the independence of the State of Israel was proclaimed by the National Council of the Jewish people in Palestine by virtue of the natural and historic right of the Jewish people to independence in its own sovereign State and in pursuance of the General-Assembly resolution of 29 November 1947. Since that date Israel has been consolidated administratively and defended itself successfully against the aggression of neighbouring States. It has so far achieved recognition by nineteen Powers.

On behalf of the Provisional Government of Israel, I have now the honour to request the admission of Israel as a Member of the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter.

In view of the special nature of this application I would request that its consideration should proceed without regard to the deadlines fixed by rule 60, paragraphs 1-4, but in conformity with paragraph 5 of the same rule 60 of the provisional rules of procedure of the Security Council.

A formal declaration that the Government of Israel accepts all the obligations stipulated in the United Nations Charter is enclosed.

My Government submits that Israel’s admission to the United Nations will constitute an act of international justice to the Jewish people, fully consistent with United Nations policy on Palestine, and will contribute to the stabilization of the Middle East and to the cause of international peace.

(Signed) Moshe SHERTOK Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Provisional Government of Israel

​

​

Now, you know that the Arab League threw a wrench into the works when they launched a coordinated attack on the four frontiers. And then, the Arab League would not come to terms over the conflict outcome.

That being the real-world reality, Israel established sovereign control on that territory necessary.

You may not like the answer, but there it is.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
SUBTOPIC: What actual step created Israel.
※→ P F Timore, et al,

PREFACE: "Self-determination became officially sanctioned after 1945, when it was included in the United Nations Charter, though it applied to existing states, not to peoples or national groups." ... "
Still, self-determination applied to territories and not to peoples."

SELF-DETERMINATION
Sovereignty, Territorial Integrity, and the Right to Secession​

REPORT FROM A ROUNDTABLE HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE’S POLICY PLANNING STAFF. See Page V of Summary
By Patricia Carley


(COMMENT)

This is the Statment of Self-Determination.

"We, the members of the National Council, representing the Jewish people in Palestine and the Zionist movement of the world, proclaim the establishment of the Jewish State in Palestine, to be called Israel."​

​

Now, you know that the Arab League threw a wrench into the works when they launched a coordinated attack on the four frontiers. And then, the Arab League would not come to terms over the conflict outcome.

That being the real-world reality, Israel established sovereign control on that territory necessary.

You may not like the answer, but there it is.

Most Respectfully,
R

And then, the Arab League would not come to terms over the conflict outcome.

A UN Security Council Resolution called for an armistice. An armistice ends the fighting without calling winners or losers. Israel claims that the Arabs lost that war. Not true.

That being the real-world reality, Israel established sovereign control on that territory necessary.

I have never seen anything that documents that claim.