The Reason for Poverty Among Blacks is Not Racism

[IM2]

So have blacks.

Name 1 black who pulled a Bernie Madoff.

 

[IM2]

Excellent point!

The difference is that when Bernie Madoff did that horrible thing, Jews were appalled. They didn’t make excuses or say “antisemitism made him do it.”

Compare that to, for example, the black mayor of Baltimore who, as she observed black thugs destroy her city, actually said “give them space to destroy.”

That didn't happen in Baltimore. Whites imagined a stolen election and stormed the Capital over what they imagined. So you really need to consider shutting the fuck up.

 

[IM2]

That may be true.

But many of the negative views whites might hold about black people come into being as a direct result of the horrible behavior many, especially younger, blacks engage in. Thievery, all kinds of crime, brainless riots, smash and grabs, senseless murders, demanding free shit they HAVEN'T EARNED.

How can people be expected to hold positive views about people who insist on acting like rabid animals - and then try to blame others for their self-created problems? Fuck them.

"How can people be expected to hold positive views about people who insist on acting like rabid animals - and then try to blame others for their self-created problems? Fuck them."

And this is what we're talking about. Whites have acted like rabid animals for the past 403 years and have created the problems in this country. Instead of taking responsibility for the problems they have created, we read a bunch of psychosis from idiots like you. So fuck YOU.

 

[IM2]

Everyone has challenges and obstacles to overcome. Winners get up when knocked down. Losers whine and blame others.

Losers accept injustice and make excuses about how everyone has had obstacles.. Winners face truth and challenge injustice. Your ass would have hung himself like Brooks Hadley a long time ago had you faced what we do. The rules were made for you chump. Without that, you'd be less than zero.

 

[IM2]

Yeah, that’s the bigotry of low expectations that is rampant among leftists. That the poster would compare able-bodied poor blacks who have Pell Grants available and Affirmative Action helping them get into prestigious programs as being “crippled” sure is telling!

Here the number one beneficiary of aa is talking to the number one benefactor of government preferences about somebody else being crippled. Saturday Night Live couldn't make a funnier script.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Most of them don’t. Most are middle class. But as far as the ones that do, who knows? Maybe lack of judgment, poor motivation, no discipline, parents who didn’t instill good values, maybe not very bright, whatever. Same as poor whites who make bad decisions. But it sure isn’t due to racism.

Is this what you're talking about? If you add up the percentages below they total just under 60%. What about the other 40%?

As of the 2010 Census, black households had a median income of $32,068,[6] which placed the median black household within the second income quintile.[6]​

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27.3% of black households earned an income between $25,000 and $50,000,​

15.2% earned between $50,000 and $75,000,​

7.6% earned between $75,000 and $100,000, and​

9.4% earned more than $100,000.[6]​

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Though this reflects a great disparity, just under 6 in 10 of black men will make it to the middle class in America. So, black men are on a trajectory of reducing the wealth disparity in the America.[7]​

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Although the composition of the Black middle class varies by definition, the Black middle class is typically divided into a lower-middle class, core middle class, and an upper-middle class.[8][9][10] The black lower-middle class is concentrated in sales, clerical positions, and blue-collar occupations,[8] while the black upper-middle class (sometimes combined into the black upper class)[11] is characterized by highly educated professionals in white-collar occupations, such as health care professionals, lawyers, professors, and engineers.[12][13]​

 

[Turtlesoup]

I am betting some WASP in the last century said the same thing about all the Jews coming over from Europe.

you know, Criminal Foreigners like Meier Lansky and Bugsy Seigel

The reality is, we have an influx of immigrants because we have a labor shortage in crappy jobs Americans (even blacks) don't want to do.



The problem is, when a black kid avoids dropping out of school and avoids making a baby, you STILL want to deny them admittance to elite colleges because they got a slightly lower test score than a privileged white kid.

We have an influx in immigrants because of our welfare system that gives them money for nothing----at the cost of taxpayers.

We don't have enough jobs-----the immigrants especially illegals suppress wages as it is and it is expected that most low level jobs that immigrants take will be replaced with machines----followed by higher level jobs being replaced by machines creating a massive shortage of workers. The US is filled up--we have to many people now as it is---more pollution, more disease, more crowding, more crime, less green space and less clean water are the result of this.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

We have an influx in immigrants because of our welfare system that gives them money for nothing----at the cost of taxpayers.

We don't have enough jobs-----the immigrants especially illegals suppress wages as it is and it is expected that most low level jobs that immigrants take will be replaced with machines----followed by higher level jobs being replaced by machines creating a massive shortage of workers. The US is filled up--we have to many people now as it is---more pollution, more disease, more crowding, more crime, less green space and less clean water are the result of this.

It's not money for nothing, it's tax payer money to care for their minor children.

 

[IM2]

If you can show me where in the text of the executive order that created affirmative action, it states that blacks or any race are to be given preferential treatment over whites I will concede your point.

He can't.

 

[IM2]

What situation are you speaking of Ray?

Ray thinks we need to blame ourselves for how things are for blacks. Apparently Ray got a Jethro Bodine education.

 

[IM2]

Do you racists not understand just how much whites have been given by the government?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

He can't.

Of course he can't. The last time this happened I was told that they didn't care that it wasn't in the text, it was HIS opinion that affirmative is racist and gives preferential treatment to black people and he's entitled to his opinion [as erroneously as that may be apparently]

This is what we're dealing with.

 

[IM2]

ALL RISE!

This Mornings lesson:

Would You "Conservative" White Females Shut Up About Racial Preferences? Because You are the ones Who have Benefitted the Most From Them

On June 17, 2013, Sally Kohn wrote an article in Time titled, “Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone.” Kohn provides this historical backdrop for the implementation, including the reasons why President Johnson added women: “Originally, women weren’t even included in legislation attempting to level the playing field in education and employment. The first affirmative-action measure in America was an executive order signed by President Kennedy in 1961 requiring that federal contractors “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.” In 1967, President Johnson amended this, and a subsequent measure included sex, recognizing that women also faced many discriminatory barriers and hurdles to equal opportunity.” Kohn continues by stating that while Affirmative Action has helped people of color, it has disproportionately benefitted white women.

“While people of color, individually and as groups, have been helped by affirmative action in the subsequent years, data and studies suggest women — white women in particular — have benefited disproportionately. According to one study, in 1995, 6 million women, the majority of whom were white, had jobs they wouldn’t have otherwise held but for affirmative action.” -Sally Kohn

The National Womens Law Center did a study on Affirmatives Action and found that: “Women of color have lagged particularly far behind in both employment and education. For example, in 1998, the median weekly salary for Black women was $400 compared to $468 for white women and $615 for white men. Hispanic women earned a median weekly income of only $337. Even in sectors where women have made inroads into management, minority women continue to be underrepresented. In the banking industry, only 2.6% of executive, managerial and administrative jobs were held by Black women, and 5% by Hispanic women, compared to 37.6% by white women. In the hospital industry, Black and Hispanic women each held 4.6% of these jobs, while white women held 50.2%. At the top, women of color represented only 11.2% of all corporate officers in Fortune 500 companies. Women of color also earn fewer college degrees than white women. In 1997, white women made up 39% of college undergraduates and 42% of graduate students; minority women were only 16% of undergraduates and 10% of graduate students.”

Tim Wise had a paper published in the National Women’s Studies Association Journal in the fall of 1998 titled, “Is Sisterhood Conditional?: White Women and the Rollback of Affirmative Action.” His paper was about the reluctance of some white women to advocate for Affirmative Action despite the gains white women had achieved from the policy over the 30 years at that time, due to the policy.

“Thanks in large measure to affirmative action and civil rights protections that opened up previously restricted opportunities to women of all colors, from 1972-1993:

• The percentage of women architects increased from 3% to nearly 19% of the total;
• The percentage of women doctors more than doubled from 10% to 22% of all doctors;
• The percentage of women lawyers grew from 4% to 23% of the national total;
• The percentage of female engineers went from less than 1% to nearly 9%;
• The percentage of female chemists grew from 10% to 30% of all chemists; and,
• The percentage of female college faculty went from 28% to 42% of all faculty.

Furthermore, since only 1983, the percentage of women business managers and professionals grew from 41% of all such persons, to 48%, while the number of female police officers more than doubled, from 6% to 13% (U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census 1995, Table 649). According to a 1995 study, there are at least six million women — the overwhelming majority of them white — who simply wouldn’t have the jobs they have today, but for the inroads made by affirmative action (Cose 1997, 171). -Tim Wise

The increased number of white women graduating college then entering into higher-paying fields formerly dominated by men raised the earnings of white women. Since white men were already disproportionately represented in high-paying positions, as white women married those men, their earnings combined with his further increased white household wealth. White women have been the number one beneficiary of Affirmative Action.

 

[IM2]

Of course he can't. The last time this happened I was told that they didn't care that it wasn't in the text, it was HIS opinion that affirmative is racist and gives preferential treatment to black people and he's entitled to his opinion [as erroneously as that may be apparently]

This is what we're dealing with.

Yes. They are obtuse along with being ignorant.

 

[IM2]

Title 4 or IV of the social security act of 1935 provided grants to states as Aid To Dependent Children. Eventually the name of the program was changed to Aid to Families with Dependent Children. This was welfare folks. Assistance for single moms with children and no daddy at home. In 1935. Blacks were excluded. Aid to Dependent Children functioned mainly to provide federal grants to help the states with mothers’ aid laws that began in 1910.

The ADC plan was written by two ladies who had been former directors of what was at the time called the U.S. Children’s Bureau. The Children’s Bureau’s goal was to provide aid to all children whose mothers had no support from a husband no matter how they got into that position. From the Children's Bureau in 1910 until 1965, no one talked about how the welfare state was wrong and created the disintegration of the white family. I read no lectures about the irresponsible white father. The program was not denigrated as something creating dependence on government; it was seen as essential assistance needed to help women without husbands who had children. Only when the law required that others besides whites be included did the story change to how the welfare state was wrong and destructive.

Blacks paid taxes and were excluded from this program. Blacks paid for white women to sit at home and have babies. Blacks paid their money for irresponsible white men to hop from bed to bed impregnating women and taking no responsibility. Ask Dale Brown, the former LSU basketball coach, whose dad sexed his mom, and left her pregnant with Dale who she had to raise alone. So I really do think it's time for you racists to shut your damn mouths unless you're admitting how you wouldn't be jack squat without the government.

 

[Lisa558]

Is this what you're talking about? If you add up the percentages below they total just under 60%. What about the other 40%?

testing

 

[Lisa558]

NewsVine_Mariyam

For some reason, I can’t reply within your post about the median income of blacks, and the quintile breakdown, so I will make my points here:

1) So your point is that median black family income is lower, and substantially, than whites? Well, duh…..that’s because 25% of black families are living in poverty and 12% of whites are (2010 census, linked below). Nobody is arguing that blacks, on average, are not poorer. But this is the result when a population has 75% of babies born out of wedlock, and with a large percentage dropping out of school.

2) Still, according to the census data, only 25% of the black population is living in poverty. The majority of blacks are NOT the oppressed victims of racism you would have whites believe - they, like most whites, are working to middle class.

3) You are deflecting to say that blacks earn less, on average, and discussing quintiles, etc. Of COURSE they earn less. They are having OOW babies at triple the rates of whites, which in turn is correlates for low educational attainment, high crime, and poverty. Stop the behavior and choices that result in poverty, and 97% of the problem is solved.

Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau

Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010

www.census.gov

 

[Lisa558]

Of course he can't. The last time this happened I was told that they didn't care that it wasn't in the text, it was HIS opinion that affirmative is racist and gives preferential treatment to black people and he's entitled to his opinion [as erroneously as that may be apparently]

This is what we're dealing with.

OMG. You are actually denying that Affirmative Action isn’t used to figure out a way to reject higher-scoring whites and Asians over lower-scoring blacks? The language, clarified by the Supreme Court in the Grutter decision, specifically allows admissions committees to use minority race as a factor In deciding whom to admit.

But would it be safe for me to assume that since you deny AA advantages blacks and discriminates against whites and Asians, you will have no objection when the SCOTUS deems that AA is racist and abolishes it?

It’s pretty sad that Harvard was so determined to get less qualified blacks in and keep the high-achieving Asians out that they designed some bogus, subjective personality test, scored Asians lower, and then rejected them because they had “unlike-able personalities”?

Now be honest. What would your reaction be if a company or school were sued by blacks because they were hiring or admitting lesser-qualified whites ahead of them - and the defense the company or school gave was that “blacks are unlike-able”? You’d be screaming holy hell. But because the racism exhibited by Harvard went against Asians, then you’re fine with it.

Affirmative Action and the Black Experience in America

Affirmative action permits the use of “minority” factors, such as race, in decisions regarding allocations of government employment and other public benefits. Blacks overwhelmingly favor these programs, but whites substantially disfavor special preferences for minorities, although they support...

www.americanbar.org

 

[Lisa558]

It's not money for nothing, it's tax payer money to care for their minor children.

We know it‘s taxpayer money to support their children. But they are in this country illegally and shouldn’t even be here. That’s the point. We are $30T in debt, are printing money hand over and fist, and we should just accept foreigners who wouldn’t qualify for admission here through legal channels - many have criminal records or would be otherwise deemed to be a negative to our country - to sneak or lie their way in, and then support their children?

(Also, not sure what this has to do with blacks who remain in poverty due to their poor choices, as opposed to the false blame of racism.)

 

[Lisa558]

Gifts from family members, loans from family members, loans from the bank, marrying into money, etc.

So? Blacks can do that too. The median inheritance d white families is $88,000 and blacks $85,000. Practically identical.

But if your point is that blacks, on average, have lower incomes and thus are not in the same position as whites to lend money to their family members, well, again….DUH. That’s what happens when you keep having babies at an OOW rate of 75%. It leads to poverty, or lower earnings, and then you don’t have money to lend.

As far as borrowing from banks, blacks and whites with the same collateral, income to debt ratios, credit rating, etc., both get approved for loans at the same rate. if blacks overall have lower approval rates, it’s because they have lower incomes, credit scores, whatever. It‘s purely a business decision.

All you’re doing is complaining about the consequences of blacks being poorer and sidestepping the reason: bad life choices - among the subset that remains poor.

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