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I think Socialism is really a scheme promoted by the ruling class and the extreme wealthy.
I think it is simply a dumbass idea that nobody that supports it has ever really thought out very well.
Sounds great but always fails in practice. None of us really want to work to support somebody else, do we?
Pooling money for the common good always sucks for the people having money taken out of their paycheck to pay for the pooling. Of course if you are on the receiving end life is good when you get your bills paid for by somebody else, isn't it?
Why don't you post a definition?Have we come up with a specific definition of the term "socialism" so that we're all operating from the same place, or are we still just tossing around platitudes and insults?
This could be an interesting conversation, but this stuff all lies on a continuum, so we need to at least be in agreement on what the hell we're talking about.
Two-Headed Vulture
As long as the "small elite" is the government, okay. And in that case, we're not within 50 light years of socialism.Why don't you post a definition?Have we come up with a specific definition of the term "socialism" so that we're all operating from the same place, or are we still just tossing around platitudes and insults?
This could be an interesting conversation, but this stuff all lies on a continuum, so we need to at least be in agreement on what the hell we're talking about.
How about this one? Socialism is an economic and political system where a very small elite control all aspects of a nation.
We do have a small elite controlling not everything, most many big things.As long as the "small elite" is the government, okay. And in that case, we're not within 50 light years of socialism.Why don't you post a definition?Have we come up with a specific definition of the term "socialism" so that we're all operating from the same place, or are we still just tossing around platitudes and insults?
This could be an interesting conversation, but this stuff all lies on a continuum, so we need to at least be in agreement on what the hell we're talking about.
How about this one? Socialism is an economic and political system where a very small elite control all aspects of a nation.
Let's get more specific. We need to be able identify socialism when we see it. Let's start with income taxes. Right now the top marginal tax rate for personal income taxes is 39.6%. So:
Is a 39.6% top marginal tax rate socialism?
Is a 45% top rate socialism?
Is a 20% top rate socialism?
Personal income tax is obviously an important part of this. Let's identify what top rate is, and is not socialism.
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No, I'm saying it's a key indicator, among many others.We do have a small elite controlling not everything, most many big things.As long as the "small elite" is the government, okay. And in that case, we're not within 50 light years of socialism.Why don't you post a definition?Have we come up with a specific definition of the term "socialism" so that we're all operating from the same place, or are we still just tossing around platitudes and insults?
This could be an interesting conversation, but this stuff all lies on a continuum, so we need to at least be in agreement on what the hell we're talking about.
How about this one? Socialism is an economic and political system where a very small elite control all aspects of a nation.
Let's get more specific. We need to be able identify socialism when we see it. Let's start with income taxes. Right now the top marginal tax rate for personal income taxes is 39.6%. So:
Is a 39.6% top marginal tax rate socialism?
Is a 45% top rate socialism?
Is a 20% top rate socialism?
Personal income tax is obviously an important part of this. Let's identify what top rate is, and is not socialism.
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So...are you saying tax rates define socialism?
I don't believe they have an income tax in Cuba or NK.
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The USA would never have accomplished what it did, had the welfare system been enacted at the founding.
Many of our ancestors left the old world to come to America, because there was opportunity to make money and provide a nice life for themselves and their children. These people worked tough jobs, but most were able to attain a middle class life style and provide an even better life for their children. This was not likely in the old world.
Welfare is mostly a post WWII concept for the US. It mostly started with LBJ and that despicable scheme of his to get minorities to vote for Democrats with his destructive Great Society scam.
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Two-Headed Vulture
Profit is a tax, too. The private-sector regime must be judged the same way its preachers judge the public one. Both are run by the same klnd of people.
"What Is Best for the 1% Is Best for All You Worthless Little People Too"Two-Headed Vulture
Profit is a tax, too. The private-sector regime must be judged the same way its preachers judge the public one. Both are run by the same klnd of people.
Profit is the reward for doing something.
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You can't define it as "the next generation"; it is only a small group and their being pre-positioned by their Daddies leaves the whole generation worse off.NecrocracyPerhaps you could define socialism ? What is it ?
I suspect that would get a 100 different answers.
As you will for capitalism, conservatism, libertarianism, nationalism.
What is worrisome and important to understand is that the alt-left, wannabe socialists in America have heavy funding and vocal support from other nations and state actors. Why is this? While America, or what made America what it has been for the last 200 years, is uniquely American. Do you see the difference?
America is unique simply because of it's absolute belief in the individual and free market capitalism among other virtues. Consider how the world viewed America before the internet. Go back 100 years, even 50 years when British rock bands were coming to America. They looked at America as a unique world, like visiting Mars. People are free, creativity and individual differences were embraced and encouraged, not centralized government and conformity. That was for Communists and inefficient losers. If you lose your soul, it will be difficult to get back and the global socialists know this.
Sorry, but to me the alt-left today is Groupthink and the honest, traditional liberals, who I admire and can respect as much as any group because I know they won't try to silence me; have a difficult time stopping the train. The Democratic party now have many of these elements, they are no longer fringe.
When I watch Carlson Tucker I always smile when he states at the end of his show that his show is "the enemy of Groupthink". Thank God someone is.
Carlson inherited the Swanson frozen-food fortune, your Prime Minister inherited his position. Spoiled preordained HeirHeads are against group solidarity because we outnumber them overwhelming and can crush them like grapes if we march in formation.
No one has the right to inherit anything. Addrss that issue and no other.
That's the most anti -american statement ever stated.
Inheritance from our parents is one of our most basic things as being American.
Leave the next generation better off than you had it.
It's being destroyed by the Dems.
The Democratic party is trying it's its best to eliminate it.
I'm glad I received my Dad and Mom's and my 2 cousins will receive theirs also.
It wasn't a fortune ,but it sure will help me save up to add more for retirement.
America was founded as a refuge from the tyranny and hopelessness of birth privileges. Another factor was the gutless submission of class traitors like you who want today's Americans to be loyal serfs. Since you obviously only care about HeirHeads, why should we care what you're glad about?
"What Is Best for the 1% Is Best for All You Worthless Little People Too"Two-Headed Vulture
Profit is a tax, too. The private-sector regime must be judged the same way its preachers judge the public one. Both are run by the same klnd of people.
Profit is the reward for doing something.
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Unquantified and unqualified, your statement is meaningless. Rewards are based on dominance, not merit. You bootlickers are only capable of shallow thinking.
I wouldn't use the ACA as a shining example of socialism as a matter of fact the damn thing was setup to fail so that the idiots in DC could bring out single payer,which doesn't have that good of a track record around the world either. Here's a diagram for you, every time socialism fails lefty loons pull the excuses out of their collective ass. "That's not true socialism". It's been 134 years since Marx bit the dust and over 100 million people have died in the name of "not" socialism. So tell me when is that socialist utopia coming ?That's communism , dupe. Only the US RW in all the world doesn't know what socialism is now. Hint: Fair, democratic, capitalism. "We're all socialists now!" -Finland PM when ACA passed. He means modern countries, in case you need a diagram...The is also the other side of the spectrum, those who work harder and want/deserve more for that extra effort. Socialism doesn't reward thatYour assertions are simplistic and cliched.Bill Shankly put it best.
Its how we build communities.
The idiots that talk about "sharing" are the welfare queens that don't want to pay their part of the bills and wants to get somebody else to pay for them. That is their idea of sharing. That is the reason why socialism never works.
Socialism is a greedy little scheme by the unproductive to use the force of government to get somebody else to pays their bills. It destroys economies because it is never viable in the long run. It always fails when the wealth that was created under capitalism runs out. .
The biggest "welfare queens" are the large corporations. What caused the last recession ? Corporate greed did, and it will cause the next one as well.
You are confused.
It is not simplistic. It addresses the core reason why socialism sucks. It is the greed of humanity.
Humans are individuals, not an ant collective. Collectivism doesn't work because not everybody will do their fair share. That is the core reason socialism either always fails or produces dismal econoimc growth. It always robs the people of Liberty by making them slaves to the state.
By welfare corporations do you mean like GM and Chrysler that Obama bailed out or do you mean corporations like Solyndra that Obama gave hundreds of millions to or do you mean the big banks that he bailed out? Maybe the Wall Street banks that contributed tons of money to both Crooked Hillary and to Obama.
Welfare queens are not limited to the inner city ghetto pukes that that comprises the core Democrat voting base. There are other welfare queens that suck off the teat of this bloated out of control $4 trillion a year welfare state that we live in and it is destroying our economy.
Conservatives do not want to be "left alone". They want to control every aspect of my life including who I can fuck and marry.You need to rethink this whine.
Tax is a different subject if I am honest. More driven by economic conditions than ideology.As long as the "small elite" is the government, okay. And in that case, we're not within 50 light years of socialism.Why don't you post a definition?Have we come up with a specific definition of the term "socialism" so that we're all operating from the same place, or are we still just tossing around platitudes and insults?
This could be an interesting conversation, but this stuff all lies on a continuum, so we need to at least be in agreement on what the hell we're talking about.
How about this one? Socialism is an economic and political system where a very small elite control all aspects of a nation.
Let's get more specific. We need to be able identify socialism when we see it. Let's start with income taxes. Right now the top marginal tax rate for personal income taxes is 39.6%. (By the way, the top rate in the UK & France is 45%). So:
Is a 39.6% top marginal tax rate socialism?
Is a 45% top rate socialism?
Is a 20% top rate socialism?
Personal income tax is obviously an important part of this. Let's identify what top rate is, and is not socialism.
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You have a very simplistic world view. I understand perfectly the point being made."What Is Best for the 1% Is Best for All You Worthless Little People Too"Two-Headed Vulture
Profit is a tax, too. The private-sector regime must be judged the same way its preachers judge the public one. Both are run by the same klnd of people.
Profit is the reward for doing something.
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Unquantified and unqualified, your statement is meaningless. Rewards are based on dominance, not merit. You bootlickers are only capable of shallow thinking.
Speaking of shallow thinking but you are really confused about this, aren't you?
Profit is the reward for taking risk and doing something. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with your convoluted shit about "dominance", whatever the hell that means in this context.
Profit is a good thing because it drives entrepreneurship, innovation, jobs and wealth.
Socialism is a bad thing because it creates perpetual poverty and rewards non productivity.
You don't create prosperity by taking money away from those that earn it and giving it to those that didn't earn a damn thing, do you? Well maybe in your convoluted uneducated greedy world but not in the real world.
I'm just trying to get to some specificity, some examples.Tax is a different subject if I am honest. More driven by economic conditions than ideology.As long as the "small elite" is the government, okay. And in that case, we're not within 50 light years of socialism.Why don't you post a definition?Have we come up with a specific definition of the term "socialism" so that we're all operating from the same place, or are we still just tossing around platitudes and insults?
This could be an interesting conversation, but this stuff all lies on a continuum, so we need to at least be in agreement on what the hell we're talking about.
How about this one? Socialism is an economic and political system where a very small elite control all aspects of a nation.
Let's get more specific. We need to be able identify socialism when we see it. Let's start with income taxes. Right now the top marginal tax rate for personal income taxes is 39.6%. (By the way, the top rate in the UK & France is 45%). So:
Is a 39.6% top marginal tax rate socialism?
Is a 45% top rate socialism?
Is a 20% top rate socialism?
Personal income tax is obviously an important part of this. Let's identify what top rate is, and is not socialism.
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Well I must confess that some of the rhetoric is a bit confusing. I have put up my definition,albeit borrowed, but I cant see any others.I'm just trying to get to some specificity, some examples.Tax is a different subject if I am honest. More driven by economic conditions than ideology.As long as the "small elite" is the government, okay. And in that case, we're not within 50 light years of socialism.Why don't you post a definition?Have we come up with a specific definition of the term "socialism" so that we're all operating from the same place, or are we still just tossing around platitudes and insults?
This could be an interesting conversation, but this stuff all lies on a continuum, so we need to at least be in agreement on what the hell we're talking about.
How about this one? Socialism is an economic and political system where a very small elite control all aspects of a nation.
Let's get more specific. We need to be able identify socialism when we see it. Let's start with income taxes. Right now the top marginal tax rate for personal income taxes is 39.6%. (By the way, the top rate in the UK & France is 45%). So:
Is a 39.6% top marginal tax rate socialism?
Is a 45% top rate socialism?
Is a 20% top rate socialism?
Personal income tax is obviously an important part of this. Let's identify what top rate is, and is not socialism.
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Every time this topic comes up, all I see is binary thinking and a flood of platitudes.
USMB isn't a bumper sticker. We should be able to flesh out thoughts and ideas.
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You have a very simplistic world view. I understand perfectly the point being made."What Is Best for the 1% Is Best for All You Worthless Little People Too"Two-Headed Vulture
Profit is a tax, too. The private-sector regime must be judged the same way its preachers judge the public one. Both are run by the same klnd of people.
Profit is the reward for doing something.
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Unquantified and unqualified, your statement is meaningless. Rewards are based on dominance, not merit. You bootlickers are only capable of shallow thinking.
Speaking of shallow thinking but you are really confused about this, aren't you?
Profit is the reward for taking risk and doing something. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with your convoluted shit about "dominance", whatever the hell that means in this context.
Profit is a good thing because it drives entrepreneurship, innovation, jobs and wealth.
Socialism is a bad thing because it creates perpetual poverty and rewards non productivity.
You don't create prosperity by taking money away from those that earn it and giving it to those that didn't earn a damn thing, do you? Well maybe in your convoluted uneducated greedy world but not in the real world.
Much of modern capitalism is about might is right. Buying up competitors and so on. It benefits nobody apart from the corporations. In fact it has a negative influence on the economy,society and the individual.
