The two main reasons to support Trump:

[bripat9643]

How will building a wall make the US a police state?

How will building a wall stop illegal immigration? A lot of illegals came here on valid visas and just overstayed.

Oh, I see what it is now. You just want to quit, to just give up.

So you want to spend lots of money on something that is ineffective. And this differs from Democrats, how?

the empirical evidence shows that it will be effective.

Show this empirical evidence.
But you can't. Because you are pulling shit out of your ass again.

Israel’s Security Fence Saves Lives, Builder Says

 

[bripat9643]

--LOL

sure buddy

just like bank robbers rob banks because we need them

--LOL

Huh?
You obviously think illegals come here just to colelct welfare benefits and live in public housing.
That makes you an idiot.

no you are the one making the absurd claims not me jackass

Yes economics is absurd to ignoramuses like you. You just can't understand that people migrate to better economic opportunities.

Sure, we've heard of it. Why should we allow it? How does it benefit us?

Why should we allow freedom? Is that your question?

Providing freedom for Mexicans isn't one of the legitimate functions of our government.

 

[bripat9643]

why do we need hordes of brown people rushing here...or any other people for that matter?

If we didnt need them they wouldn't be doing it. Capiche?

Is that why 48 million of our citizens are not in the workforce....because we need brown people to work?

Why arent our citizens picking crops in fields and building roads and doing landscaping work?

Because employers don't want to pay American style wages. They'd rather pay the kind of wages they pay in Mexico, and illegal immigration makes that possible.

Employers would rather have slave labor. That isnt the point.
Can you show employers in America pay lower wages to illegals, when those illegal present fraudulent credentials?

That isn't the test of whether immigrant labor drives down wages.

 

[bripat9643]

so far we have not done enough

The excuse for every failed government program. Saul ALinsky is smiling.

--LOL

hardly

just because a shitload of money has been spent

does not mean it has been spent wisely

So the same government that misspent money in the past is going to spend even more money wisely in the future?
Gettouttatown.

So what's your solution, nimrod? You've pooh poohed everything that's been proposed. From your behavior, one might believe that you aren't interested in a solution. You're only interested in finding excuses for doing nothing.

No dont deflect. We are discussing Donald's wall and deportation, the reasons you support him. Dont deflect to something else just because I am destroying those things.
Tell me why the same gov't will be more adept at spending even more money.

You're destroying them? You have a vivid imagination.

You attack every solution anyone proposes, so what's yours? Either provide one or admit you don't want the problem solved.

 

[bripat9643]

40 % of illegals come in legally. I guess he's assuming the other 60% come from Mexico And that the wall will be 100% effective .

What about securing the Canada border ?

The big, shiny wall could be 100 percent effective at keeping brown people out, and it will have virtually zero impact on improving our economy.

The dolts are hypnotized into thinking our country's problems are "because Mexicans".

You definition of "improving the economy" means providing jobs for immigrants but not for Americans. We don't need those kinds of "improvements."

Like I said. You dolts think our country's problems are "because Mexicans".

Despite the evidence right in front of your slack little faces to the contrary.

I'm okay with a wall. I'm just not stupid enough to think it will make any real difference to our economy.

Several of our problems are because of Mexican immigrants, and the wall will solve a big part of the problem.

Where's the evidence to the contrary?

The fact we had full employment with just as many illegals here, if not more, than we have now.

Don't be such a rube!

No, that doesn't prove it. Under normal conditions we would have a labor shortage and rising wages.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

1) He will build the wall and save America as we know it. Liberals have invited in 20 million illegals to take our jobs and drive down our wages only because they block vote liberal and thus will turn the USA into California rendering Republicans never able to win anywhere again.

2) He is right on ISIS. He wants to kill them before they kill us with WMD's! And, he wants to rebuilt the military to get Russia, China and the ME under control again before WW3 starts.

I see only one reason to vote for Trump- he is not Hellary. He is an unknown. Every election cycle the canidates promise what they will do, and every time they either don't try to do it or fail in their effort.

Trump is not a messiah, he is only an outsider who serves the purpose of punishing the RNC for their lack of leadership and ability. Don't be fooled, you will be disappointed if you believe he is going to do all he says.

How do you see into the future?
You have no idea what Trump will or will not accomplish.
Ask anyone who has ever had any business dealings with Trump. The one common comment is he did what he promised he would do.

Uh no. In point of fact, he's known for screwing people over, reneging on his word, declaring bankruptcy.

Indeed, if you listen to what he said the past few days, it was exactly that.

And he promises the impossible and then lies about it.

There's something wrong with him.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Look Evangelicals your candidate is a Narcissistic Serial Philanderer



Good Times. Trump's family vacation in Aspen (the Love triangle story).
Donald Trump Got Caught In A Love Triangle At Aspen Ski Resort In 1989

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Donald Trump Got Caught In A Love Triangle At Aspen Ski Resort In 1989

According to a 1990 article by People Magazine, it all came to head outside Bonnie’s mountainside restaurant in Aspen when Donald’s wife at the time, Ivana, confronted his then mistress and future second wife ,Maria Maples, for trying to move in on her man.

The women were seen outside the restaurant arguing. Witnesses overheard Ivana proclaiming, “You bitch, leave my husband alone.”

“Trump, who was sitting within earshot putting on his skis, took off down the mountain. Wrong move: Ivana is an excellent skier; Donald is not. When the formidable Czech pushed off in hot pursuit, fascinated observers swear they saw her whip in front of Donald and then ski backwards down the slopes, wagging her finger in his face.”

A little background….apparently Trump had enough bravado at the time to book the 26 year old actress-model Maria Maples a room at the same resort he and his wife were spending their Christmas vacation. Ivana obviously took issue with it and didn’t have a problem confronting them both mid-mountain.


There is more where that came from folks...if I am Trump I stop trying to use Bill to attack Hillary...just saying...

 

[bripat9643]

We get it, you're anti Trump and this has very little to do with a wall.

You dont get it.
A wall will not solve the immigration problem. The wall will contribute enormously to the deficit. We have spent increasing sums on border patrol and immigration over the last 30 years and the problem is worse, not better.
But you will go for the excuse for every failed program: We didnt do it enough.
The sad part is we could solve the problem very easily. But the fascist Trumptards are so convinced that hordes of brown people are rushing here to eat up all their cookies they will never go for it.

why do we need hordes of brown people rushing here...or any other people for that matter?

If we didnt need them they wouldn't be doing it. Capiche?

Wrong.

He's right.

Americans are not going to leave their suburban tract home, climb into their SUVs, and travel a couple hundred miles to pick lettuce for two weeks, then travel a hundred miles in the other direction to pick strawberries for a couple weeks, and so on.

It's called MIGRANT work for a reason, and every prosperous society has a significant immigrant labor force to do the shit jobs. Our quota system is totally fucked up, and we are punishing employers for a federal fuck-up.

If a farmer needs 50 laborers, and the government only allows him 10, and no Americans are scrambling to fill the slots, then that farmer has no choice but to hire 40 illegals.

It's been shown time and again that Americans won't show up to do the job for even 20 bucks an hour.

It's amusing to see you anti-immigrant people whine about the low wages immigrants are paid which keeps Americans from getting those jobs, but then see you do an amazing triple Lindy and oppose increasing the minimum wage for the reason that low-skilled jobs don't deserve 15 bucks an hour.

You really need to get your narratives straight.

You're full of shit, of course. Picking fruit is something college and high school students used to do every summer.

 

[bripat9643]

Most of the skilled immigrants jobs are filled by people from India.

Biggest Brain Drains: India Gets Nearly Two-Thirds of U.S. H-1Bs - Bloomberg

Mexicans are doing the low-skilled shit jobs which the Right says aren't worth 15 bucks an hour.

They are driving trucks, doing carpentry, electrical and plumbing. As usual, everything posted by the open-borders traitor is a lie.

 

[bripat9643]

why do we need hordes of brown people rushing here...or any other people for that matter?

If we didnt need them they wouldn't be doing it. Capiche?

--LOL

sure buddy

just like bank robbers rob banks because we need them

--LOL

Huh?
You obviously think illegals come here just to colelct welfare benefits and live in public housing.
That makes you an idiot.

Please then compare and contrast what their lifestyles were in the fucking shithole tar paper shacks they lived in the the shithole sand dune they lived in in Mexico?

You mean before or after we wiped out their agriculture and manufacturing?

You have no clue about Mexico. None at all.

How did we wipe out their agriculture and manufacturing?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Trump Yesterday
Scrutiny of Trump's debt proposals began after he appeared on CNBC last week and said he loved "playing" with debt. He was asked whether he thought the United States should "pay a hundred cents on the dollar" or whether the U.S. debt could be renegotiated.

"Yeah, I think - look, I have borrowed, knowing that you can pay back with discounts. And I have done very well," Trump said. "I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal, and if the economy was good, it was good, so, therefore, you can't lose."

Trump was pressed on the idea on CNBC, and he acknowledged that government debt was different than the debt a business deals with. But he stood by the notion that U.S. debt could be bought back at a discount.

Trump Today

 

[jon_berzerk]

it takes time

you establishment folks have really fucked up the country

So Trump never promised to reduce the bureaucracy. You are just like a 2007 Obama supporter, seeing whatever you want to see in him.

of course he will

ending obamacare alone will cut a good chunk of bureaucracy

You understand he wants t end Obamacare by implementing single payer, right? That will expand the bureaucracy, not shrink it.
Damn, that's gonna hurt.

no that is not what he said but keep your lies alive

at least until you get Hillary elected

you got your Hillary bumper stickers yet

she is more of your fancy anyway being an a DC player

Ah sigh. This is gonna be painful to you.

--LOL

it is not painful

 

[jon_berzerk]

Why arent our citizens picking crops in fields and building roads and doing landscaping work?

Change the welfare rules....tell Leroy to get on the tractor...

Unfortunately LeRoy lives about 500 miles from the nearest farm.
Guess again Sparky.

Leroy wants to eat...he moves. Our troops are thousands of miles away from home. You go where the need is. You go where the trouble is.

Sure go with that.
Who moves the troops, btw? Who's gonna move LeRoy?

Who moves the wetbacks? Does the Mexican gov move them to the border? They walk here and send money back to the family they left back home. Leroy can do the same. You are losing it Rabbi....it's called TDS.

yeah he has been reduced to posting edited youtubes

--LOL

 

[jon_berzerk]

So Trump never promised to reduce the bureaucracy. You are just like a 2007 Obama supporter, seeing whatever you want to see in him.

of course he will

ending obamacare alone will cut a good chunk of bureaucracy

You understand he wants t end Obamacare by implementing single payer, right? That will expand the bureaucracy, not shrink it.
Damn, that's gonna hurt.

no that is not what he said but keep your lies alive

at least until you get Hillary elected

you got your Hillary bumper stickers yet

she is more of your fancy anyway being an a DC player

Healthcare Reform

By following free market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve the quality of the care available to all Americans.



Any reform effort must begin with Congress. Since Obamacare became law, conservative Republicans have been offering reforms that can be delivered individually or as part of more comprehensive reform efforts. In the remaining sections of this policy paper, several reforms will be offered that should be considered by Congress so that on the first day of the Trump Administration, we can start the process of restoring faith in government and economic liberty to the people.



Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation’s government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.



Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.



To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.



Finally, we need to reform our mental health programs and institutions in this country. Families, without the ability to get the information needed to help those who are ailing, are too often not given the tools to help their loved ones. There are promising reforms being developed in Congress that should receive bi-partisan support.



To reform healthcare in America, we need a President who has the leadership skills, will and courage to engage the American people and convince Congress to do what is best for the country. These straightforward reforms, along with many others I have proposed throughout my campaign, will ensure that together we will Make America Great Again.

Same shit. Tax incentives and mandates are the same thing.

are you nuts

an incentive is not the same as a mandate

unless the incentive is at the end of a barrel

 

[jon_berzerk]

The excuse for every failed government program. Saul ALinsky is smiling.

--LOL

hardly

just because a shitload of money has been spent

does not mean it has been spent wisely

So the same government that misspent money in the past is going to spend even more money wisely in the future?
Gettouttatown.

So what's your solution, nimrod? You've pooh poohed everything that's been proposed. From your behavior, one might believe that you aren't interested in a solution. You're only interested in finding excuses for doing nothing.

No dont deflect. We are discussing Donald's wall and deportation, the reasons you support him. Dont deflect to something else just because I am destroying those things.
Tell me why the same gov't will be more adept at spending even more money.

You're destroying them? You have a vivid imagination.

You attack every solution anyone proposes, so what's yours? Either provide on or admit you don't want the problem solved.

i missed that post of his

what an embarrassment he has become

every post he crosses over the line

to becoming an ardent Hillary supporter

 

[jon_berzerk]

How will building a wall stop illegal immigration? A lot of illegals came here on valid visas and just overstayed.

Oh, I see what it is now. You just want to quit, to just give up.

So you want to spend lots of money on something that is ineffective. And this differs from Democrats, how?

the empirical evidence shows that it will be effective.

Show this empirical evidence.
But you can't. Because you are pulling shit out of your ass again.

Israel’s Security Fence Saves Lives, Builder Says

over course it does

and it pisses off the leftists to no end

 

[dblack]

are you nuts

an incentive is not the same as a mandate

unless the incentive is at the end of a barrel

I'm not nuts. I'm just paying attention. A tax break for people who do as they are told, and withheld from those who don't, is exactly the same as a mandate that fines people who don't do as they are told and exempts those who do. Tax incentives feel different psychologically, which is why politicians have gotten away with using them to manipulate us. But it's a con. We need to wake up.

 

[g5000]

Okay, boys and girls. Today we shall learn about the "Apples and Oranges" logical fallacy:

Israel’s Security Fence Saves Lives, Builder Says

"Them damned Mexicans have been a'shootin' rockets at us for decades!"

Where's the part about saving the economy?

 

[deltex1]

Okay, boys and girls. Today we shall learn about the "Apples and Oranges" logical fallacy:

Israel’s Security Fence Saves Lives, Builder Says

"Them damned Mexicans have been a'shootin' rockets at us for decades!"

Where's the part about saving the economy?

The isreali wall doesn't stop rockets, Mildred...it stops ragheads.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Okay, boys and girls. Today we shall learn about the "Apples and Oranges" logical fallacy:

Israel’s Security Fence Saves Lives, Builder Says

"Them damned Mexicans have been a'shootin' rockets at us for decades!"

Where's the part about saving the economy?

The isreali wall doesn't stop rockets, Mildred...it stops ragheads.

Mildred isn't the sharpest tool in the shed