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You should read more American history. George Washington was very much so a Christian.The majority that signed the constitution were Christian.
The majority of Europeans that moved here was Christian. They moved here to practice their way of worship. The very first colonists were Christian's.
You should read more American history. George Washington was very much so a Christian.The majority that signed the constitution were Christian.
So? They were also white...is this a white nation? They were also men...is this a nation of men only? They were also a majority of Anglo-Saxon...are we a nation of Anglo-Saxons? They were also mostly rich to middle class...are we a nation of rich/middle class? They went OUT OF THEIR WAY to phrase our Constitution so that religion....particularly Christianity...would NOT be a part of the government.
The majority of Europeans that moved here was Christian. They moved here to practice their way of worship. The very first colonists were Christian's.
The First Colonists in Virginia were here for profit and one of the first "christian" things they did was kill the natives and take their land.
Once of the First Colonies in New England were the Puritans and one of the first "christian" things they did was kill the natives and take their land...then they turned on other christians like the Quakers and hung them...and banished or killed anyone who disagreed with their theocratic ideas.
Fun stuff to look up at from our Ancestors, eh?
Note: I would like to add that the REASON the European settlers were Christian was because if you were NOT a christian in Europe, they killed you.
You should read more American history. George Washington was very much so a Christian.The majority that signed the constitution were Christian.
The majority of Europeans that moved here was Christian. They moved here to practice their way of worship. The very first colonists were Christian's.
I know American history just fine. You are in no position to "school" me on any subject that I am aware of or interested in.
The first whites that invaded and occupied the Americas were the subjects of the crowns of France , England, Portugal and Spain.
They were not the same people that founded our nation. THOSE people rejected the crown of England and it's Church of England as authority.
No. We are not. We are a non theological republic with a citizenry that is a majority being associated with the Christian religion.
Christians are pushy fantasizing fucks that would like this to be a Christian theocracy but it will not happen.
You should read more American history. George Washington was very much so a Christian.The majority that signed the constitution were Christian.
So? They were also white...is this a white nation? They were also men...is this a nation of men only? They were also a majority of Anglo-Saxon...are we a nation of Anglo-Saxons? They were also mostly rich to middle class...are we a nation of rich/middle class? They went OUT OF THEIR WAY to phrase our Constitution so that religion....particularly Christianity...would NOT be a part of the government.
The majority of Europeans that moved here was Christian. They moved here to practice their way of worship. The very first colonists were Christian's.
The First Colonists in Virginia were here for profit and one of the first "christian" things they did was kill the natives and take their land.
Once of the First Colonies in New England were the Puritans and one of the first "christian" things they did was kill the natives and take their land...then they turned on other christians like the Quakers and hung them...and banished or killed anyone who disagreed with their theocratic ideas.
Fun stuff to look up at from our Ancestors, eh?
Note: I would like to add that the REASON the European settlers were Christian was because if you were NOT a christian in Europe, they killed you.
You should read a history book sometime.
And the truth of it is, we're not talking about what you WANT to be true, we're discussing actual, certifiable, documented FACT. The FACT is the founders structured this republic on CHRISTIAN principles. They said it. It's not even up for debate, except you retards are so fucking stupid that as you try to change history to suit your elevated modern tastes you forget that fact/fiction are two different things. You might wish it wasn't founded upon Christian principles..too bad. You might think that Christian principles and theocracy are the same thing....too bad, also. That just proves you're ignorant. Stupidity is not a defense.
Whatever. The fact is the US was founded on Christian principles. It doesn't matter what religion the ff belonged to, or if they didn't. All that matters is what they tell us about the formation of the country..and they TELL US THEY STRUCTURED THE REPUBLIC UPON CHRISTIAN TENETS.
I mean, that's the beginning and end of it. The rest is just fluff.
And the truth of it is, we're not talking about what you WANT to be true, we're discussing actual, certifiable, documented FACT. The FACT is the founders structured this republic on CHRISTIAN principles. They said it. It's not even up for debate, except you retards are so fucking stupid that as you try to change history to suit your elevated modern tastes you forget that fact/fiction are two different things. You might wish it wasn't founded upon Christian principles..too bad. You might think that Christian principles and theocracy are the same thing....too bad, also. That just proves you're ignorant. Stupidity is not a defense.
They did not...this nation was founded on the principles of the Enlightenment which struggled against the theocratic principles found in Europe at that time....AND this nation was also founded on many principles of Freemasonry which also went against the theocratic principles of Europe at that time.
George Washington was a Mason and even a Worshipful Master...the laying of the foundations for the WH and the Capitol building were Masonic ceremonies.
The Constitution was written using the Enlightenment principles of John Locke and Montesquieu.
When Washington D.C. was laid out, it was designed following the concepts of the Roman Republic....since our Founders decided on that model (with changes) Need I remind you the Roman Republic was pre-Christian.
Fee free to prove me wrong on any of what I said.
Whatever. The fact is the US was founded on Christian principles. It doesn't matter what religion the ff belonged to, or if they didn't. All that matters is what they tell us about the formation of the country..and they TELL US THEY STRUCTURED THE REPUBLIC UPON CHRISTIAN TENETS.
I mean, that's the beginning and end of it. The rest is just fluff.
"Whatever"? That's your reply after being asked to PROVE that anything I said was wrong?
Hey, some mad debating skills there, Allie.....
And btw...the Republic they modelled our country's government on was a Pagan Republic.....in case you didn't know.
Whatever. The fact is the US was founded on Christian principles. It doesn't matter what religion the ff belonged to, or if they didn't. All that matters is what they tell us about the formation of the country..and they TELL US THEY STRUCTURED THE REPUBLIC UPON CHRISTIAN TENETS.
I mean, that's the beginning and end of it. The rest is just fluff.
"Whatever"? That's your reply after being asked to PROVE that anything I said was wrong?
Hey, some mad debating skills there, Allie.....
And btw...the Republic they modelled our country's government on was a Pagan Republic.....in case you didn't know.
Great, here we go again. Time for Bod to broadcast her trolling skills and lack of any sort of reason.
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[SIZE=-1]Granted, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence "[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Later, John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Isit not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemers mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?" Sounds like the founding of a Christian nation to me. John Quincy Adams went on to say that the biggest victory won in the American Revolution was that Christian principles and civil government would be tied together In what he called an "indissoluble" bond. The Founding Fathers understood that religion was inextricably part of our nation and government. The practice of the Christian religion in our government was not only welcomed but encouraged.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The intent of the First Amendment was well understood during the founding of our country. The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Even George Washington who certainly knew the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, since he presided over their formation, said in his "Farewell Address": "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars." Sure doesn't sound like Washington was trying to separate religion and politics.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Still sounds like the Founding Fathers knew this was a Christian nation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: "in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity...That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.'[/SIZE]
Was the USA Founded as a Christian Nation?
Please continue to argue the nation was founded upon pagan principles. It gives me a warm feeling inside to see you look like even more of an ass.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
"Whatever"? That's your reply after being asked to PROVE that anything I said was wrong?
Hey, some mad debating skills there, Allie.....
And btw...the Republic they modelled our country's government on was a Pagan Republic.....in case you didn't know.
Great, here we go again. Time for Bod to broadcast her trolling skills and lack of any sort of reason.
"
[SIZE=-1]Granted, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence "[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Later, John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Isit not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemers mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?" Sounds like the founding of a Christian nation to me. John Quincy Adams went on to say that the biggest victory won in the American Revolution was that Christian principles and civil government would be tied together In what he called an "indissoluble" bond. The Founding Fathers understood that religion was inextricably part of our nation and government. The practice of the Christian religion in our government was not only welcomed but encouraged.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The intent of the First Amendment was well understood during the founding of our country. The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Even George Washington who certainly knew the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, since he presided over their formation, said in his "Farewell Address": "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars." Sure doesn't sound like Washington was trying to separate religion and politics.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Still sounds like the Founding Fathers knew this was a Christian nation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: "in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity...That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.'[/SIZE]
Was the USA Founded as a Christian Nation?
Please continue to argue the nation was founded upon pagan principles. It gives me a warm feeling inside to see you look like even more of an ass.
Let me ask you a quite simple question or two:
1) which came first...the State Constitutions or the Federal Constitution?
2) which is supreme, especially if there is a conflict?
ok, a third:
3) what was the Supreme Court case Torcaso v. Watkins about and what was the decision?
So? They were also white...is this a white nation? They were also men...is this a nation of men only? They were also a majority of Anglo-Saxon...are we a nation of Anglo-Saxons? They were also mostly rich to middle class...are we a nation of rich/middle class? They went OUT OF THEIR WAY to phrase our Constitution so that religion....particularly Christianity...would NOT be a part of the government.
The First Colonists in Virginia were here for profit and one of the first "christian" things they did was kill the natives and take their land.
Once of the First Colonies in New England were the Puritans and one of the first "christian" things they did was kill the natives and take their land...then they turned on other christians like the Quakers and hung them...and banished or killed anyone who disagreed with their theocratic ideas.
Fun stuff to look up at from our Ancestors, eh?
Note: I would like to add that the REASON the European settlers were Christian was because if you were NOT a christian in Europe, they killed you.
You should read a history book sometime.
I read American History books like other people eat peanuts.
Now....show me where I said something that is not true.
(And while you're at it, you need to spread some rep around so you can neg rep me again for speaking the truth...as you do)
You should read a history book sometime.
I read American History books like other people eat peanuts.
Now....show me where I said something that is not true.
(And while you're at it, you need to spread some rep around so you can neg rep me again for speaking the truth...as you do)
That's easy, you stated "one of the first "christian" things they did was kill the natives and take their land..." That's a lie. They actually bought land from the indians and lived peaceably with them.
Roger Williams did (at first)...the Pilgrims did (at first)...William Penn did (at first) That's the extend of it.
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For example, during his stint as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Maryland, Samuel Chase, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and, ultimately, an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court, wrote the following opinion during the Runkel v. Winemiller case:
Religion is of general and public concern, and on its support depend, in great measure, the peace and good order of government, the safety and happiness of the people. By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.Charles Carroll, yet another signer of the Declaration of Independence, wrote the following in a personal letter from 1800:
Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.Even Benjamin Franklin, in a proposal for the education of Pennsylvanias youth, wrote the following standard regarding how, under his plan, history would be taught:
History will also afford frequent, opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion, from its usefulness to the public; the advantage of a religious character among private persons; the mischiefs of superstition, and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.Truly, the list of examples could go on and on and on. I could point to some early states taxpayer-funded churches, to Thomas Jeffersons support of federal funding for Christian missionaries, to the consistent teaching of the Bible within early American schools, to provisions within early state constitutions requiring professions of faith prior to holding public office, and countless other illustrations of my argument However, by now, the point is obvious. "
Three Conservatives - Americas Christian Heritage Debunked?
