The War On Everyday Americans: Why Jobs Are Disappearing, & why universal basic income is our future

[francoHFW]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

 

[beagle9]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Huh ?? You want airline traffic controllers, train operators, tractor trailer operator's, the police, firemen etc to be on drugs without any way to detect such things ?? Kidding me right ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Huh ?? You want airline traffic controllers, train operators, tractor trailer operator's, the police, firemen etc to be on drugs without any way to detect such things ?? Kidding me right ?

Actually, the police and fire unions fought drug testing, so those people can be high as a kite on the job and nobody would know.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Drug testing has been going on for the last couple of decades. WTF do you mean "thanks GOP?" WTF does a political party have to do with private industry drug testing applicants and employees?

 

[francoHFW]

IF the tax cut money & some of the military money went to repair of roads bridges & such that would create jobs + make living better for all.

Everything that sucks is due to the GOP give away to the rich and cuts in in services for the rest the last 35 years...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

universal basic income is the most ambitious social policy in history.

it eliminates welfare and eliminates poverty at the same time

If used to replace welfare programs, I believe you are correct. Currently our social programs rewards people for irresponsibility and failure while we penalize success. Even if you became more mature and had a change of heart, they already trapped you because you had five kids and nobody to take care of them but government.

Ray, don't you realize that this is just another way of subsidizing the owners of these companies in so that they can save on labor rates or pay on their employees ??

So let's say x begins getting this basic universal income (BUI), and then x goes to work. Does the BUI continue when person x gets a job or does it stop ??

If it continues, don't you think that companies will work the wages around the BUI ???

Is this something that's wanted by the businesses now also, otherwise for whom are having to lose their cheap labor forces now ??

The great thing about Universal Income is that it isn't altered by anything. If you want to work, great. If you don't want to work and can live off of 18K a year, great. It won't change hiring or wages one bit. If anything, it would take even more people out of the workforce and create a higher need for employees.

Ok, so does this allow companies to pay even cheaper wages than they would otherwise pay in a situation where such a thing doesn't exist ?? Is this a subsidy for employers paid for by the American taxpayers to subsidize their workforces just like the welfare programs were being accessed by military soldiers and McDonald's employees etc ??

How much of the $18,000 dollars do you think a company will use to subsidize the employee's pay, otherwise by what it will pay that employee knowing this bullcrap exist ??

I don't think UI will have anything to do with employee pay. Supply and Demand will always exist. Why would an employer try to pay workers less when they have an option like just living off of UI? If anything, it would be the opposite. Companies would have to offer more to get people to work for them.

 

[francoHFW]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Drug testing has been going on for the last couple of decades. WTF do you mean "thanks GOP?" WTF does a political party have to do with private industry drug testing applicants and employees?

The GOP is behind the War on Drugs and the Law & Order Nanny state d u h.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

IF the tax cut money & some of the military money went to repair of roads bridges & such that would create jobs + make living better for all.

How do you figure that?

Our system is where the private industry creates wealth, and we pay part of that wealth for government services. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.

DumBama's biggest failure was trying to do the opposite: the public sector supporting the private sector. It didn't work then and never will.

The public sector can't support anything because government doesn't create products or services for profit.

 

[IM2]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

The trouble with that logic is that today, quite literally, our work is being replaced by machines at an enormous pace.

Obviously, in the past you speak of, that was not the case at all.

People that think UBI isn't an obvious necessity for the future simply lack critical thinking skills. I think the main problem is they don't understand or they underestimate the extent to which AI will impact human labor of all kinds. If you think it's just burger flippers that will lose their jobs you're not thinking this through. Once general intelligence is built into machines it's only a matter of time until there's literally nothing a machine can't do better than a human.

We'll have to learn how to program and fix the machines.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

So who is going to pay for this ?

Switzerland did a study on this before they voted on it. It was defeated.

Their calculations were that if they eliminated all social programs, they would actually save money with Universal Income. I don't know much about them, but I'm assuming we have more social programs than they do.

We would still pay the same amount of tax, but it wouldn't be so categorized. In other words, no welfare, no SCHIP's, no Medicare or Medicaid, no Social Security, no HUD, nothing. All the money would be converted for Universal Income instead.

I believe the figure they used was similar to 18K US dollars for each adult citizen.

You think we have more social programs than Switzerland? Back to School with you! We have fewer social programs and benefits than any other modern country, easily. All thanks to the GOP.

We have the most thanks to the Commies:

https://singlemotherguide.com/federal-welfare-programs/

 

[francoHFW]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Huh ?? You want airline traffic controllers, train operators, tractor trailer operator's, the police, firemen etc to be on drugs without any way to detect such things ?? Kidding me right ?

if they actually do something
The pot test is ridiculous and unscientific that is that problem... You seem to be fear mongerMo out of your mind... Do it the French way...

 

[francoHFW]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

So who is going to pay for this ?

Switzerland did a study on this before they voted on it. It was defeated.

Their calculations were that if they eliminated all social programs, they would actually save money with Universal Income. I don't know much about them, but I'm assuming we have more social programs than they do.

We would still pay the same amount of tax, but it wouldn't be so categorized. In other words, no welfare, no SCHIP's, no Medicare or Medicaid, no Social Security, no HUD, nothing. All the money would be converted for Universal Income instead.

I believe the figure they used was similar to 18K US dollars for each adult citizen.

You think we have more social programs than Switzerland? Back to School with you! We have fewer social programs and benefits than any other modern country, easily. All thanks to the GOP.

We have the most thanks to the Commies:

https://singlemotherguide.com/federal-welfare-programs/

They have much more benefits elsewhere. After 35 years of reaganism we suck
Thanks GOP
The GOP's Drug-Testing Dragnet

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Jobs are disappearing? Dang, who knew?

Just good jobs going unfilled because we must save the rich... So we can't afford cheap education and Training....

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

 

[francoHFW]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Drug testing has been going on for the last couple of decades. WTF do you mean "thanks GOP?" WTF does a political party have to do with private industry drug testing applicants and employees?

Everything Reagan started drug testing the government workers and contractors... Where have you been?
The GOP's Drug-Testing Dragnet

 

[IM2]

IF the tax cut money & some of the military money went to repair of roads bridges & such that would create jobs + make living better for all.

How do you figure that?

Our system is where the private industry creates wealth, and we pay part of that wealth for government services. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.

DumBama's biggest failure was trying to do the opposite: the public sector supporting the private sector. It didn't work then and never will.

The public sector can't support anything because government doesn't create products or services for profit.

You just make up an Obama that did not exist and force yourself to believe in what you made up. You truly don't have a clue about how things work.

 

[IM2]

Just good jobs going unfilled because we must save the rich... So we can't afford cheap education and Training....

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

 

[Confounding]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

Just return to what worked in the past (extract the good while leaving the bad behind), and quit living in this bubble of doom being created today. Are we just stupid today or what ?? Why are we stupid today ?? Who is making or forcing us to be stupid today ?? Is it globalism, greed, cultural decay, tribal warfare, diversity gone wrong, political correctness gone wrong, lifestyles gone wrong or what ???????

The trouble with that logic is that today, quite literally, our work is being replaced by machines at an enormous pace.

Obviously, in the past you speak of, that was not the case at all.

People that think UBI isn't an obvious necessity for the future simply lack critical thinking skills. I think the main problem is they don't understand or they underestimate the extent to which AI will impact human labor of all kinds. If you think it's just burger flippers that will lose their jobs you're not thinking this through. Once general intelligence is built into machines it's only a matter of time until there's literally nothing a machine can't do better than a human.

We'll have to learn how to program and fix the machines.

When machines have general intelligence they will be programing and repairing themselves.

 

[Thinker101]

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

And without our tax money government would have nothing....dumbass.

 

[francoHFW]

Just good jobs going unfilled because we must save the rich... So we can't afford cheap education and Training....

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Just watch Us Fall Apart to save the greedy idiot GOP wealthy who have brainwashed you... We are competing against countries that have very cheap Education and Training and good pay... So we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility of developed countries. Great job scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you.

 

[Thinker101]

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Just watch Us Fall Apart to save the greedy idiot GOP wealthy who have brainwashed you... We are competing against countries that have very cheap Education and Training and good pay... So we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility of developed countries. Great job scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you.

What countries are these, that have very cheap education, training and good pay? That we're competing with.