The War On Everyday Americans: Why Jobs Are Disappearing, & why universal basic income is our future

[francoHFW]

IF the tax cut money & some of the military money went to repair of roads bridges & such that would create jobs + make living better for all.

How do you figure that?

Our system is where the private industry creates wealth, and we pay part of that wealth for government services. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.

DumBama's biggest failure was trying to do the opposite: the public sector supporting the private sector. It didn't work then and never will.

The public sector can't support anything because government doesn't create products or services for profit.

You just make up an Obama that did not exist and force yourself to believe in what you made up. You truly don't have a clue about how things work.

He seems to think welfare and unemployment and disability was changed by Obama... Actually there was no change except the depression caused by the corrupt GOP.

 

[francoHFW]

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Just watch Us Fall Apart to save the greedy idiot GOP wealthy who have brainwashed you... We are competing against countries that have very cheap Education and Training and good pay... So we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility of developed countries. Great job scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you.

What countries are these, that have very cheap education, training and good pay? That we're competing with.

All the other developed countries... EU Canada New Zealand Australia Japan UK. They all have cheap college and training, and Healthcare daycare paid parental leave 5 week vacations and no drug testing. We used to have cheap college until Reagan as governor of California.
.

 

[Thinker101]

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Just watch Us Fall Apart to save the greedy idiot GOP wealthy who have brainwashed you... We are competing against countries that have very cheap Education and Training and good pay... So we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility of developed countries. Great job scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you.

WTF with a "funny" icon. Is that the same as you saying you admit to just post BS and have nothing to back it up with?

 

[IM2]

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

And without our tax money government would have nothing....dumbass.

Which means we'd still have no roads. Try telling me something I don't know next time Einstein.

 

[Thinker101]

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Just watch Us Fall Apart to save the greedy idiot GOP wealthy who have brainwashed you... We are competing against countries that have very cheap Education and Training and good pay... So we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility of developed countries. Great job scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you.

What countries are these, that have very cheap education, training and good pay? That we're competing with.

All the other developed countries... EU Canada New Zealand Australia Japan UK. They all have cheap college and training, and Healthcare daycare paid parental leave 5 week vacations and no drug testing. We used to have cheap college until Reagan as governor of California.
.

Good thing you have the freedom, to move to any of these countries. Do write though.

 

[Thinker101]

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

And without our tax money government would have nothing....dumbass.

Which means we'd still have no roads. Try telling me something I don't know next time Einstein.

Wow, you are sharp. No getting anything past you....geez.

 

[francoHFW]

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Just watch Us Fall Apart to save the greedy idiot GOP wealthy who have brainwashed you... We are competing against countries that have very cheap Education and Training and good pay... So we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility of developed countries. Great job scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you.

What countries are these, that have very cheap education, training and good pay? That we're competing with.

All the other developed countries... EU Canada New Zealand Australia Japan UK. They all have cheap college and training, and Healthcare daycare paid parental leave 5 week vacations and no drug testing. We used to have cheap college until Reagan as governor of California.
.

Good thing you have the freedom, to move to any of these countries. Do write though.

Actually you don't have that freedom either, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[francoHFW]

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Just watch Us Fall Apart to save the greedy idiot GOP wealthy who have brainwashed you... We are competing against countries that have very cheap Education and Training and good pay... So we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility of developed countries. Great job scumbag GOP and silly Dupes like you.

WTF with a "funny" icon. Is that the same as you saying you admit to just post BS and have nothing to back it up with?

All proven fact as opposed to your b******* super dupe.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

Government is good for some things but not most. That's why our founders listed in the Constitution what our federal government is responsible for. Government is supposed to provide good for all people--not people of a particular party or group while ignoring or taking away from others.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

IF the tax cut money & some of the military money went to repair of roads bridges & such that would create jobs + make living better for all.

How do you figure that?

Our system is where the private industry creates wealth, and we pay part of that wealth for government services. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.

DumBama's biggest failure was trying to do the opposite: the public sector supporting the private sector. It didn't work then and never will.

The public sector can't support anything because government doesn't create products or services for profit.

You just make up an Obama that did not exist and force yourself to believe in what you made up. You truly don't have a clue about how things work.

Sounds like you don't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Drug testing has been going on for the last couple of decades. WTF do you mean "thanks GOP?" WTF does a political party have to do with private industry drug testing applicants and employees?

Everything Reagan started drug testing the government workers and contractors... Where have you been?
The GOP's Drug-Testing Dragnet

He didn't make it the law of the land and businesses didn't start doing it because of Reagan. You blame thunderstorms on Reagan because you know nothing about politics. Businesses get cheaper rates on Workman's Compensation insurance if they drug test. That's what it's all about. It's why teachers, police officers and firemen don't take drug tests in many cases; because government doesn't care about saving taxpayers money.

 

[beagle9]

universal basic income is the most ambitious social policy in history.

it eliminates welfare and eliminates poverty at the same time

If used to replace welfare programs, I believe you are correct. Currently our social programs rewards people for irresponsibility and failure while we penalize success. Even if you became more mature and had a change of heart, they already trapped you because you had five kids and nobody to take care of them but government.

Ray, don't you realize that this is just another way of subsidizing the owners of these companies in so that they can save on labor rates or pay on their employees ??

So let's say x begins getting this basic universal income (BUI), and then x goes to work. Does the BUI continue when person x gets a job or does it stop ??

If it continues, don't you think that companies will work the wages around the BUI ???

Is this something that's wanted by the businesses now also, otherwise for whom are having to lose their cheap labor forces now ??

The great thing about Universal Income is that it isn't altered by anything. If you want to work, great. If you don't want to work and can live off of 18K a year, great. It won't change hiring or wages one bit. If anything, it would take even more people out of the workforce and create a higher need for employees.

Ok, so does this allow companies to pay even cheaper wages than they would otherwise pay in a situation where such a thing doesn't exist ?? Is this a subsidy for employers paid for by the American taxpayers to subsidize their workforces just like the welfare programs were being accessed by military soldiers and McDonald's employees etc ??

How much of the $18,000 dollars do you think a company will use to subsidize the employee's pay, otherwise by what it will pay that employee knowing this bullcrap exist ??

I don't think UI will have anything to do with employee pay. Supply and Demand will always exist. Why would an employer try to pay workers less when they have an option like just living off of UI? If anything, it would be the opposite. Companies would have to offer more to get people to work for them.

That's the case now, where as we have EBT, Apartment subsidies, welfare, free cell phones, free internet, free busing, free medical, otherwise everything that's needed to live free, and yes the effect has been to not seek a job because of it all.

The UBI will make it worse in many ways in which has already been complained about for decades now, and the working class is tired of paying for the free rides of abled body citizens to lay upon their aces doing nothing all day or taking a job that pays nothing meaningful where as they still qualify for the freebies while the employer gets to have his or her huge cake and eat it too.

 

[beagle9]

Just good jobs going unfilled because we must save the rich... So we can't afford cheap education and Training....

Good jobs going unfilled to save the rich?? WTF kinda nonsense is that...oh, sorry, you're a fricken lib...never mind.

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Only the truly needy are those who need to get the help given them, but in many cases they end up at the back of the line, and can't qualify due to a made up technicality on the spot, and this as the government social worker saves the benies for his buddies that are working the system sometimes in groups.

 

[dannyboys]

a UBI would be cheaper and more effective than what we do now, economically. If you take the total amount we spend on anti-poverty programs and divide by the number of poor people, there should be no poor people!

Poor people aren’t lazy, they’re trapped in the current system. A UBI is not contingent on staying poor, so it would both lift people out of poverty and flatten out the benefits cliff. Of course, this means that the new UBI would be instead of existing programs, rather than a supplement, and not everyone agrees with that.

Finally, there is crude "realpolitik." Plenty of very wealthy people already live in the US, and the new economy is likely to create inequality on steroids. In a democracy, the poor and middle class have many tools to “negotiate” redistribution at gunpoint.

You know what you can do with your Socialism/Marxist bullshit wet dream.
Second-quarter GDP jumps 4.1% for best pace in nearly four years

 

[beagle9]

3 to 6 million good technical jobs are going begging because the GOP blocks cheap training and education for them, all to save the rich from paying taxes, dumbass.

The block is in your head. The GOP never blocked anything. Anybody that wants such training can get it. Take a loan out, work for a few years and save money. But just because taxpayers won't fund it doesn't mean it's blocked except to Commies.

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

Government is good for some things but not most. That's why our founders listed in the Constitution what our federal government is responsible for. Government is supposed to provide good for all people--not people of a particular party or group while ignoring or taking away from others.

Well I will say that the group or party of need is changing faster than a speeding bullet in this country, but that has all been a plan by design, and it has been working perfectly in the last 30 years now.

Is anyone keeping score lately ?? The family has been losing big.

The family is under assualt in this country big time bad, and the public schools are a huge part of the beginning process in it all.

It is why this plan needs to be busted every chance the nation can bust it when it reveals itself, because it is dragging down everything in accommodation for those who are working the system as groups for nefarious purposes to either over throw or transform against the nations will.

Yes, we need a government that represents all fairly and morally in this nation, and we need to work to get this going again if we ever had it at all.

 

[basquebromance]

some studies say 50 percent of jobs will be lost to automation. the OECD says it will be 10 percent.

we dont have to have "universal". the affluent need not get money. but the poor and the needy need basic income!

 

[Thinker101]

some studies say 50 percent of jobs will be lost to automation. the OECD says it will be 10 percent.

we dont have to have "universal". the affluent need not get money. but the poor and the needy need basic income!

Hmmm...how about getting a fricken job.

 

[Dschrute3]

Jobs aren't necessarily 'disappearing.' Statistically speaking, the country is currently at 'Full Employment.' So the jobs are there. The real question is, are they good jobs? And sadly, for the most part they aren't.

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Drug testing has been going on for the last couple of decades. WTF do you mean "thanks GOP?" WTF does a political party have to do with private industry drug testing applicants and employees?

Everything Reagan started drug testing the government workers and contractors... Where have you been?
The GOP's Drug-Testing Dragnet

I actually agree with you for the most part on drug testing in the workplace. It's gotten out of control. Predictably, it's being abused. It's become an invasion of privacy overreach.

I mean, drug testing a lowly Walmart worker? They're already being degraded enough, accepting such a shitty job. I can understand drug testing with certain occupations, but it's clearly being abused now. Thankfully, more & more businesses are moving towards ditching the practice.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

That won’t work.

WHY

Because despite your monumental naivety, free money for nothing is a guaranteed way to build an ever growing generational/dependent population.
Where have you been?
Ever read a history book?
Were you in a coma, or asleep in civics class when the talked about the 1960's - 1980's??

 

[basquebromance]

some studies say 50 percent of jobs will be lost to automation. the OECD says it will be 10 percent.

we dont have to have "universal". the affluent need not get money. but the poor and the needy need basic income!

Hmmm...how about getting a fricken job.

UBI would actually incentivize people to get a job.

let me say that again to you: UBI will actually give incentive to folks to get a job