This is what atheist believe? Atheist believe that nothing created everything

[WinterBorn]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

There is no science based answer as to what the universe is, all science can do is observe. The answer is not knowable from humanities current position on Earth

Actually, we can observe that the universe is expanding. And we can observe that the rate of expansion is slowing, however small the incremental slowing may be.

Apparently, what cannot be proven is your repeated claim that atheists believe nothing created something, and that anyone who does not believe nothing created something is not an atheist.

LOL the observation that the universe is expanding has led scientist to an impasse because the expansion is both faster than light and faster than gravity can create, so they invented dark matter. Simplified the universe can not even be proved to exist mathematically. So according to science the universe is not real

There is no science that proves your claim "Dude atheist means one does not believe in God and that everything came from nothing.". You don't seem to have a problem repeating it over and over.

 

[ding]

Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

The Big Bang.


Where is your god come from?

God is eternal and unchanging. It's the only solution to the first cause conundrum. It's also the definition of truth.

 

[otto105]

Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

The Big Bang.


Where is your god come from?

God is eternal and unchanging. It's the only solution to the first cause conundrum. It's also the definition of truth.

Doesn't answer the question.

 

[ding]

Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

The Big Bang.


Where is your god come from?

God is eternal and unchanging. It's the only solution to the first cause conundrum. It's also the definition of truth.

Doesn't answer the question.

It does. Do you understand what it means to be eternal?

 

[expat_panama]

Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything.

Again, this is a lie.

The thread premise fails as a strawman fallacy.

Again atheist believe that everything came from nothing, so if you do not then you are not an atheist

Amazon product ASIN 1935071238

It's been my experience that most atheists are scared of a universe being created from nothing. It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it.

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The following is an excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

God creates "out of nothing"

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144God creates freely "out of nothing":145

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146
297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147
298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

"It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it."

When did science prove that God created the universe from nothing?

When they proved the universe was created from nothing?

I am not aware that any scientists has ever proven that.

Proving it's not possible for the universe to have always existed proves it. Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

I think you need to face that the universe began. All matter in the universe occupying the space of a single proton should have clued you in.

All the matter in the universe has always existed. That is the simplest and best answer.

The Big Bang propelled everything outward. We have seen that the universe is expanding. And we can prove the rate of expansion is slowing. The best theory is that when it slows to a stop, it will begin to fall back into the center, as gravity brings all the matter back together. When the matter collapses into one spot, it will explode again,and the cycle will continue.

The idea of the big crunch has fallen by the wayside. these days most folks go w/ the idea that an ever expanding universe began at a pinpoint.

Are we together now?

 

[Mac-7]

Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

You might want to watch some science videos. There are plenty of explanations out there on how the universe came to be. None of them with the help of some man-made fantasy creature that overseas everything.

Do you mean the video where all the particles were compressed into one tiny little speck that one day expanded into the universe we know today?

 

[otto105]

Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

The Big Bang.


Where is your god come from?

God is eternal and unchanging. It's the only solution to the first cause conundrum. It's also the definition of truth.

Doesn't answer the question.

It does. Do you understand what it means to be eternal?

You still haven't answered the question.

 

[mamooth]

I took one look at the OP, said to myself "God of the gaps fallacy", rolled my eyes, and moved on.

That's all the attention it deserved.

 

[ding]

Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

The Big Bang.


Where is your god come from?

God is eternal and unchanging. It's the only solution to the first cause conundrum. It's also the definition of truth.

Doesn't answer the question.

It does. Do you understand what it means to be eternal?

You still haven't answered the question.

I did. You apparently don't know that eternal means no beginning and no end.

Now do you understand?

 

[Mac-7]

The Big Bang.


Where did your god come from?

The big bang, sure

But where did the matter come from that the big bang was based on?

“”””” Where did your god come from? “”””””

I have already said that I dont know how God came to exist

 

[Dusty]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

There is no science based answer as to what the universe is, all science can do is observe. The answer is not knowable from humanities current position on Earth

Actually, we can observe that the universe is expanding. And we can observe that the rate of expansion is slowing, however small the incremental slowing may be.

Apparently, what cannot be proven is your repeated claim that atheists believe nothing created something, and that anyone who does not believe nothing created something is not an atheist.

LOL the observation that the universe is expanding has led scientist to an impasse because the expansion is both faster than light and faster than gravity can create, so they invented dark matter. Simplified the universe can not even be proved to exist mathematically. So according to science the universe is not real

There is no science that proves your claim "Dude atheist means one does not believe in God and that everything came from nothing.". You don't seem to have a problem repeating it over and over.

Science is not needed for someone not to believe in something, that is a personal choice as all atheist believe that everything came from nothing

 

[Dusty]

Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything.

Again, this is a lie.

The thread premise fails as a strawman fallacy.

Again atheist believe that everything came from nothing, so if you do not then you are not an atheist

Amazon product ASIN 1935071238

It's been my experience that most atheists are scared of a universe being created from nothing. It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it.

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The following is an excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

God creates "out of nothing"

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144God creates freely "out of nothing":145

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146
297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147
298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

"It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it."

When did science prove that God created the universe from nothing?

When they proved the universe was created from nothing?

I am not aware that any scientists has ever proven that.

Proving it's not possible for the universe to have always existed proves it. Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

I think you need to face that the universe began. All matter in the universe occupying the space of a single proton should have clued you in.

All the matter in the universe has always existed. That is the simplest and best answer.

The Big Bang propelled everything outward. We have seen that the universe is expanding. And we can prove the rate of expansion is slowing. The best theory is that when it slows to a stop, it will begin to fall back into the center, as gravity brings all the matter back together. When the matter collapses into one spot, it will explode again,and the cycle will continue.

The idea of the big crunch has fallen by the wayside. these days most folks go w/ the idea that an ever expanding universe began at a pinpoint.

Are we together now?

Hey ding I like your new profile

 

[alang1216]

I for one wouldn't want to approach death thinking my short lifetime will lead to an eternal judgement that might end with eternal torment.

Christians do not have that worry

Its non Christians who are at risk

Specifically those who got the Word and chose to ignore it

I didn't realize that ALL Christians went to heaven. I guess that must include Catholics, Mormons, Eastern Orthodox, and Branch Davidians. That's a pretty big tent

 

[Grumblenuts]

atheist say everyday that nothing created everything.

Humor us and quote one doing so..

 

[Dusty]

atheist say everyday that nothing created everything.

Humor us and quote one doing so..

What any person says is of no meaning.

I just want Apple to turnaround

That said if one does not believe in God, then nothing created everything.

As I said the words have no meaning, unless they bother you and you assign a meaning to them in you mind.

 

[Grumblenuts]

LOL the observation that the universe is expanding has led scientist

scientistS! What language do you normally speak anyway?

 

[Dusty]

LOL the observation that the universe is expanding has led scientist

scientistS! What language do you normally speak anyway?

The observation that the universe is expanding has led scientist to find new ideas instead of gravity forcing the universe apart as they claim that there is not enough mass to achieve this, now they are babbling that the universe is not real or that an attractive force is coming from outside the universe.

LOL no scientist has a clue, yet they have convinced fools like you that they know.

 

[Grumblenuts]

What any person says is of no meaning.

How about dictionaries? Dawkins? Darwin? Danté?

 

[Grumblenuts]

no scientist has a clue, yet they have convinced fools like you that they know.

Actually, very few have impressed me in this area. Sure seem to have triggered you though. So what was your native language again?

 

[Hollie]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

There is no science based answer as to what the universe is, all science can do is observe. The answer is not knowable from humanities current position on Earth

Actually, we can observe that the universe is expanding. And we can observe that the rate of expansion is slowing, however small the incremental slowing may be.

Apparently, what cannot be proven is your repeated claim that atheists believe nothing created something, and that anyone who does not believe nothing created something is not an atheist.

LOL the observation that the universe is expanding has led scientist to an impasse because the expansion is both faster than light and faster than gravity can create, so they invented dark matter. Simplified the universe can not even be proved to exist mathematically. So according to science the universe is not real

There is no science that proves your claim "Dude atheist means one does not believe in God and that everything came from nothing.". You don't seem to have a problem repeating it over and over.

Science is not needed for someone not to believe in something, that is a personal choice as all atheist believe that everything came from nothing

All atheist do not believe that everything came from nothing. There is no requirement for belief.

You get this wrong every time because you're not paying attention.