This is what atheist believe? Atheist believe that nothing created everything

[WinterBorn]

Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything.

Again, this is a lie.

The thread premise fails as a strawman fallacy.

Again atheist believe that everything came from nothing, so if you do not then you are not an atheist

Amazon product ASIN 1935071238

It's been my experience that most atheists are scared of a universe being created from nothing. It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it.

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The following is an excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

God creates "out of nothing"

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144God creates freely "out of nothing":145

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146
297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147
298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

"It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it."

When did science prove that God created the universe from nothing?

When they proved the universe was created from nothing?

I am not aware that any scientists has ever proven that.

 

[WinterBorn]

Nobody can at this point in time, which is precisely why people like you believe in magical sky fairies that you can't prove exist.

if atheists don't know the origins of the universe how can they be atheists who claim there is no God?

Define "God"

Define how nothing created everything.

It didn't. And the only evidence you have that atheists believe it did is the book title of a Christian evangelist. In other words, no proof.

Several atheists here have stated they do not believe nothing created something.

So you are saying that atheist believe that God really created the universe.

Pop you need mental help because atheist believe that nothing created everything, and by the way I only apply the statement to life on Earth because atheist say everyday that nothing created everything.

This is just not scientifically valid because nothing can not create anything all nothing can do is remain nothing

It must be handy to think you can just make up what people think and say.

No, I am not saying that atheists believe God created the universe. I am saying that your claim that all atheists believe nothing created something is bullshit.

 

[Dusty]

Nobody can at this point in time, which is precisely why people like you believe in magical sky fairies that you can't prove exist.

if atheists don't know the origins of the universe how can they be atheists who claim there is no God?

Define "God"

Define how nothing created everything.

It didn't. And the only evidence you have that atheists believe it did is the book title of a Christian evangelist. In other words, no proof.

Several atheists here have stated they do not believe nothing created something.

So you are saying that atheist believe that God really created the universe.

Pop you need mental help because atheist believe that nothing created everything, and by the way I only apply the statement to life on Earth because atheist say everyday that nothing created everything.

This is just not scientifically valid because nothing can not create anything all nothing can do is remain nothing

So you acknowledge your gods are nothing.

I have never acknowledged any Gods.

Except for acknowledging gods.

LOL I do not believe in Gods nor have I ever acknowledged any.

Hollie in all seriousness, all you are is a prime example of an emotionally frustrated and very unhappy individual, who can not add anything of value to any conversation. And with that I snap my fingers and make you disappear on ignore.

Enjoy your belief that nothing created everything

CIAO

 

[Mac-7]

I for one wouldn't want to approach death thinking my short lifetime will lead to an eternal judgement that might end with eternal torment.

Christians do not have that worry

Its non Christians who are at risk

Specifically those who got the Word and chose to ignore it

 

[WinterBorn]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

You makes statements presuming 100% certainty supported by 0% facts.

Again atheist believe that everything was produced by nothing.

Those are your facts

Play on

Religionist make nonsense statements unsupported by facts.

Atheist make the statement not supported by fact that nothing created everything.

This is fact

So did you pick a cannabis equity yet?

You’re repeating a falsehood. That’s dishonest.

Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything. This is fact not a falsehood, you are having emotional difficulties repeating the nonsense that you actually spew

Your version of facts have a real disconnect from reality.

Did you learn such hate and dishonesty from your religion?

Again atheist believe that everything that is, was created from nothing. Atheist believe that life created itself when nothing just turned into everything. Not sure why you are having so much difficulty accepting what you say that you believe.

You keep saying this, with no offer of evidence that this is what even the majority of atheists think.

Just repeating it does not make it true.

Dude atheist means one does not believe in God and that everything came from nothing. I can say it as often as I want, you are the fool who can not deal with the truth.

You are half right. "Atheist" means one does not believe in God. All atheists do not believe that everything came from nothing.

 

[Mac-7]

Nobody can at this point in time, which is precisely why people like you believe in magical sky fairies that you can't prove exist.

if atheists don't know the origins of the universe how can they be atheists who claim there is no God?

Define "God"

Now its your turn

Define eternity

 

[Mac-7]

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

That is the same leap of faith for them as for Christians who believe in the one God of the Jews, who is the supreme being

 

[Dusty]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

 

[WinterBorn]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

 

[ding]

Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything.

Again, this is a lie.

The thread premise fails as a strawman fallacy.

Again atheist believe that everything came from nothing, so if you do not then you are not an atheist

Amazon product ASIN 1935071238

It's been my experience that most atheists are scared of a universe being created from nothing. It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it.

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The following is an excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

God creates "out of nothing"

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144God creates freely "out of nothing":145

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146
297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147
298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

"It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it."

When did science prove that God created the universe from nothing?

When they proved the universe was created from nothing?

I am not aware that any scientists has ever proven that.

Proving it's not possible for the universe to have always existed proves it. Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

I think you need to face that the universe began. All matter in the universe occupying the space of a single proton should have clued you in.

 

[ding]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

Whereas I say that atheists tend to fight tooth and nail to deny the universe began despite the overwhelming evidence that it did.

 

[Dusty]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

There is no science based answer as to what the universe is, all science can do is observe. The answer is not knowable from humanities current position on Earth. The end result of all the observation is not an answer, merely more questions

 

[WinterBorn]

Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything.

Again, this is a lie.

The thread premise fails as a strawman fallacy.

Again atheist believe that everything came from nothing, so if you do not then you are not an atheist

Amazon product ASIN 1935071238

It's been my experience that most atheists are scared of a universe being created from nothing. It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it.

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The following is an excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

God creates "out of nothing"

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144God creates freely "out of nothing":145

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146
297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147
298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

"It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it."

When did science prove that God created the universe from nothing?

When they proved the universe was created from nothing?

I am not aware that any scientists has ever proven that.

Proving it's not possible for the universe to have always existed proves it. Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

I think you need to face that the universe began. All matter in the universe occupying the space of a single proton should have clued you in.

All the matter in the universe has always existed. That is the simplest and best answer.

The Big Bang propelled everything outward. We have seen that the universe is expanding. And we can prove the rate of expansion is slowing. The best theory is that when it slows to a stop, it will begin to fall back into the center, as gravity brings all the matter back together. When the matter collapses into one spot, it will explode again, and the cycle will continue.

 

[ding]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

It's the basic question that men of all times have asked themselves. "Where do we come from?" "Where are we going?" "What is our origin?" "What is our end?" "Where does everything that exists come from and where is it going?" The two questions, the first about the origin and the second about the end, are inseparable. They are decisive for the meaning and orientation of our life and actions.

That's paraphrased from the Catechism of the Catholic Church BTW

 

[ding]

Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything.

Again, this is a lie.

The thread premise fails as a strawman fallacy.

Again atheist believe that everything came from nothing, so if you do not then you are not an atheist

Amazon product ASIN 1935071238

It's been my experience that most atheists are scared of a universe being created from nothing. It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it.

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The following is an excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

God creates "out of nothing"

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144God creates freely "out of nothing":145

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146
297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147
298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

"It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it."

When did science prove that God created the universe from nothing?

When they proved the universe was created from nothing?

I am not aware that any scientists has ever proven that.

Proving it's not possible for the universe to have always existed proves it. Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

I think you need to face that the universe began. All matter in the universe occupying the space of a single proton should have clued you in.

All the matter in the universe has always existed. That is the simplest and best answer.

The Big Bang propelled everything outward. We have seen that the universe is expanding. And we can prove the rate of expansion is slowing. The best theory is that when it slows to a stop, it will begin to fall back into the center, as gravity brings all the matter back together. When the matter collapses into one spot, it will explode again, and the cycle will continue.

Do you understand what thermal equilibrium is?

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

You might want to watch some science videos. There are plenty of explanations out there on how the universe came to be. None of them with the help of some man-made fantasy creature that overseas everything.

 

[WinterBorn]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

There is no science based answer as to what the universe is, all science can do is observe. The answer is not knowable from humanities current position on Earth

Actually, we can observe that the universe is expanding. And we can observe that the rate of expansion is slowing, however small the incremental slowing may be.

Apparently, what cannot be proven is your repeated claim that atheists believe nothing created something, and that anyone who does not believe nothing created something is not an atheist.

 

[Dusty]

Knowing that a dog's, or a chimpanzee's brain are made from the same stuff as a human brain isn't it reasonable to think that even the human brain has a limit as to what types of information is can process?

Exactly

We cannot understand Creation and yet it happened

Looking at nature its obvious to me that there must be a Creator

We could not have come to exist though dumb luck as Darwin claims

Some higher intelligence must be responsible

I see no reason why creation, meaning the beginning of the universe, is something humanity can never understand.

I see nothing in nature that points to any creator. In any event, any creator implies a hierarchy of creators.

lastly, Darwin never made any claims to dumb luck about a force of nature. In fact, his theory proposed clearly identifiable circumstances that guided the evolution of species.

The universe can not actually have a beginning, perhaps the current phase that we are in had a beginning but the matter always had to exist.

Or you can babble that everything just popped into existence because nothing wanted to make a universe.

That is pure non scientific babble

There is no scientific theory that the universe had a beginning.

I am not babbling that everything popped into existence. You are the one claiming scientists claim that. They don't.

There are only two possibilities and these possibilities have been debated since man first became aware; the universe began or the universe has always existed.

The latter just isn't possible for a number of good reasons and the former has been proven through observations.

Actually the latter is quite possible as if the universe was not here then it must have been created by some means. Not meaning God either but something has to come from somewhere

So you are claiming that the Universe came from nothing? Hmmmm

Most scientists believe in the Big Bang. And that the Universe has always existed.

Where the universe came from is a silly question when humanity still has no idea what the universe is

I agree that it is a silly question. But many people seem obsessed with it.

There is nothing wrong with the question, the problem rest with the sanity of the people who claim to know

I accept the science based answer. And, I say again, I do not believe that nothing created something. Which you claim means I am not an atheist, despite the fact I do not believe in God.

There is no science based answer as to what the universe is, all science can do is observe. The answer is not knowable from humanities current position on Earth

Actually, we can observe that the universe is expanding. And we can observe that the rate of expansion is slowing, however small the incremental slowing may be.

Apparently, what cannot be proven is your repeated claim that atheists believe nothing created something, and that anyone who does not believe nothing created something is not an atheist.

LOL the observation that the universe is expanding has led scientist to an impasse because the expansion is both faster than light and faster than gravity can create, so they invented dark matter. Simplified the universe can not even be proved to exist mathematically. So according to science the universe is not real

 

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Again it is a fact that atheist believe that nothing created everything.

Again, this is a lie.

The thread premise fails as a strawman fallacy.

Again atheist believe that everything came from nothing, so if you do not then you are not an atheist

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It's been my experience that most atheists are scared of a universe being created from nothing. It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it.

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

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The following is an excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

God creates "out of nothing"

296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144God creates freely "out of nothing":145

If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146
297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:

I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147
298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

"It's been a long standing belief by people of faith that God created the universe out of nothing. Like 6,000 years before science proved it."

When did science prove that God created the universe from nothing?

When they proved the universe was created from nothing?

I am not aware that any scientists has ever proven that.

Proving it's not possible for the universe to have always existed proves it. Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

I think you need to face that the universe began. All matter in the universe occupying the space of a single proton should have clued you in.

All the matter in the universe has always existed. That is the simplest and best answer.

The Big Bang propelled everything outward. We have seen that the universe is expanding. And we can prove the rate of expansion is slowing. The best theory is that when it slows to a stop, it will begin to fall back into the center, as gravity brings all the matter back together. When the matter collapses into one spot, it will explode again, and the cycle will continue.

Where did you get the idea that the best theory is that when it slows to a stop, it will begin to fall back into the center, as gravity brings all the matter back together?

Is there anyone today that actually believes the universe will collapse? Because I know that answer and it's no. Besides it was never a good theory to begin with. Why would the universe expand again? What would make it over come gravity? There's no plausible explanation for that. And don't say its the same thing that would have happened if the universe was created from nothing because there were 1 billion anti-matter particles for every 1 billion and 1 matter particles and those 1 billion annihilation per 1 matter particle is why the universe expanded in the first place. We know this because of the cosmic background radiation which exists. So under your theory what would make the universe expand again?

 

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Atheists can't explain where the Universe came from

And they don't want anyone else to either

The Big Bang.


Where did your god come from?