Trump Administration Caves: No Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

[pinqy]

The citizenship question has been asked many times in prior censuses, even as recent as 2000, therefore it is NOT illegal and needs to be included. If it was unconstitutional it would have been removed and documented previously. Trump needs to add it and deal with the legal ramifications later.

it’s a matter of intent. For example, it is not illegal to ask about race or ethnicity on a job application. But discriminating on the basis of race is. So if the reason for asking is to discriminate, then asking is illegal because of the intent.

In the case if the Census, we now have the American Community Survey which is legally part of the Census. It asks many questions which were previously part of the long form Census questionnaire. No questions beyond existence are constitutionally required.

Therefore, there is no statistical need for the question to be on the main form. What then is the reason for asking? The reason seems to be to intentionally achieve an undercount of Hispanic residents. And that is clearly an unconstitutional purpose.

 

[Deno]

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

The decision comes days after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question.

There will not be a question asking about citizenship on the 2020 census, the Trump administration said Tuesday.

The decision comes less than a week after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question, saying it did not provide an adequate explanation for the addition.

“We can confirm that the decision has been made to print the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire without a citizenship question, and that the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process,” Kate Bailey, a Justice Department attorney, wrote to lawyers for the plaintiffs challenging the addition of the question.

Kelly Laco, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed in an email to HuffPost there would not be a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

Great news! Now everyone can be counted.

You Tards and your FAKE NEWS.....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

The decision comes days after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question.

There will not be a question asking about citizenship on the 2020 census, the Trump administration said Tuesday.

The decision comes less than a week after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question, saying it did not provide an adequate explanation for the addition.

“We can confirm that the decision has been made to print the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire without a citizenship question, and that the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process,” Kate Bailey, a Justice Department attorney, wrote to lawyers for the plaintiffs challenging the addition of the question.

Kelly Laco, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed in an email to HuffPost there would not be a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

Great news! Now everyone can be counted.

You Tards and your FAKE NEWS.....

It is not fake news, you are fake news.

 

[Deno]

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

The decision comes days after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question.

There will not be a question asking about citizenship on the 2020 census, the Trump administration said Tuesday.

The decision comes less than a week after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question, saying it did not provide an adequate explanation for the addition.

“We can confirm that the decision has been made to print the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire without a citizenship question, and that the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process,” Kate Bailey, a Justice Department attorney, wrote to lawyers for the plaintiffs challenging the addition of the question.

Kelly Laco, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed in an email to HuffPost there would not be a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

Great news! Now everyone can be counted.

You Tards and your FAKE NEWS.....

It is not fake news, you are fake news.

Trump has not gave up on it Tard....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

The decision comes days after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question.

There will not be a question asking about citizenship on the 2020 census, the Trump administration said Tuesday.

The decision comes less than a week after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question, saying it did not provide an adequate explanation for the addition.

“We can confirm that the decision has been made to print the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire without a citizenship question, and that the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process,” Kate Bailey, a Justice Department attorney, wrote to lawyers for the plaintiffs challenging the addition of the question.

Kelly Laco, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed in an email to HuffPost there would not be a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

Great news! Now everyone can be counted.

You Tards and your FAKE NEWS.....

It is not fake news, you are fake news.

Trump has not gave up on it Tard....

Which was news even to his own Dept of Justice, thus making the story accurate as far as what presented.

 

[OnePercenter]

There are millions of poor Americans without healthcare, but the D Party wants to give free healthcare to illegals. In what universe, does that make sense?

If tRump and the rest of the unlawful acting employers would STOP HIRING ILLEGALS we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem.

 

[Deno]

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

The decision comes days after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question.

There will not be a question asking about citizenship on the 2020 census, the Trump administration said Tuesday.

The decision comes less than a week after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question, saying it did not provide an adequate explanation for the addition.

“We can confirm that the decision has been made to print the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire without a citizenship question, and that the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process,” Kate Bailey, a Justice Department attorney, wrote to lawyers for the plaintiffs challenging the addition of the question.

Kelly Laco, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed in an email to HuffPost there would not be a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

Great news! Now everyone can be counted.

You Tards and your FAKE NEWS.....

It is not fake news, you are fake news.

Trump has not gave up on it Tard....

Which was news even to his own Dept of Justice, thus making the story accurate as far as what presented.

FAKE NEWS TARD.....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

The decision comes days after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question.

There will not be a question asking about citizenship on the 2020 census, the Trump administration said Tuesday.

The decision comes less than a week after the Supreme Court temporarily blocked the administration from adding the question, saying it did not provide an adequate explanation for the addition.

“We can confirm that the decision has been made to print the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire without a citizenship question, and that the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process,” Kate Bailey, a Justice Department attorney, wrote to lawyers for the plaintiffs challenging the addition of the question.

Kelly Laco, a Justice Department spokeswoman, confirmed in an email to HuffPost there would not be a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

Trump Administration Drops Bid To Put Citizenship Question On 2020 Census

Great news! Now everyone can be counted.

You Tards and your FAKE NEWS.....

It is not fake news, you are fake news.

Trump has not gave up on it Tard....

Which was news even to his own Dept of Justice, thus making the story accurate as far as what presented.

FAKE NEWS TARD.....

you are fake news.

 

[Deno]

There are millions of poor Americans without healthcare, but the D Party wants to give free healthcare to illegals. In what universe, does that make sense?

If tRump and the rest of the unlawful acting employers would STOP HIRING ILLEGALS we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem.

What would really help is if you Tards

Would quit promising them everything for free...

 

[Deno]

You Tards and your FAKE NEWS.....

It is not fake news, you are fake news.

Trump has not gave up on it Tard....

Which was news even to his own Dept of Justice, thus making the story accurate as far as what presented.

FAKE NEWS TARD.....

you are fake news.

Your libtarded lying medias ratings tell the story TARD....

Drop the Flucking mic....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is not fake news, you are fake news.

Trump has not gave up on it Tard....

Which was news even to his own Dept of Justice, thus making the story accurate as far as what presented.

FAKE NEWS TARD.....

you are fake news.

Your libtarded lying medias ratings tell the story TARD....

Drop the Flucking mic....

I have not watched TV news in a decade...so who gives a fuck about their ratings other than mindless partisan sheep like you?

here is you dropping the mic....

Oh, by the way. This is a big kids forum, you are allowed to type out the word fucking, you do not need to be a pussy and spell it wrong.

 

[OnePercenter]

There are millions of poor Americans without healthcare, but the D Party wants to give free healthcare to illegals. In what universe, does that make sense?

If tRump and the rest of the unlawful acting employers would STOP HIRING ILLEGALS we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem.

What would really help is if you Tards

Would quit promising them everything for free...

Such as a job. I DON'T HIRE ILLEGALS......TRUMP DOES!

 

[Diver Diva]

Fake news.

 

[Deno]

There are millions of poor Americans without healthcare, but the D Party wants to give free healthcare to illegals. In what universe, does that make sense?

If tRump and the rest of the unlawful acting employers would STOP HIRING ILLEGALS we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem.

What would really help is if you Tards

Would quit promising them everything for free...

Such as a job. I DON'T HIRE ILLEGALS......TRUMP DOES!

You lie...

Trump didn't hire any illegals....

Now before you go into your Tard Rant about his company's...

Read my words carefully......

 

[bripat9643]

There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional WITH having the question on the census. It's been there before.

Try learning some history you fucking dime store hack-twat.

It is illegal and unconstitutional when it's proven that the reason for it is to deny blue states the representation they should have. It's unconstitutional and illegal to put it there then lie in a court of law about why they put that question there.

When it's put there to specifically under count blue states to give red states unfair advantage, it's illegal and unconstitutional.

You might want to learn about how it's illegal to lie in court and how it's illegal to cheat and try to rig the system to give yourself an unfair advantage.

Everything you posted is meaningless. Your opinion means nothing. It's our court system that has the say and everything they rule is very meaningful. What you want is irrelevant and worthless. The supreme court has ruled and they ruled in the favor of the blue states, constitution and the law.

If you don't like it, that's your problem. Not mine.

Deal with it.

If a person selects as non-citizen it still counts them in the count. It doesn't deny anyone anything.

What a whiny little twat you are.

The point is that they won't answer it and won't fill out the form. Which you know this and want it to happen. You know that's the reason why trump wanted to put it on the census in the first place and you wanted the results it would produce.

You people know you can't win in an honest election so you cheat. Then lie about your cheating. This time your lies were exposed and one conservative on that court didn't like being lied to. He ruled correctly and in favor of the constitution and law. Now you're all upset you didn't get your way.

Too bad. Stop acting like a little baby and accept the ruling. You won't be able to cheat and rig the census in your favor.

Justice prevailed and you are very upset about being denied the opportunity to cheat.

You can call me all the names you want. It just shows you know you've lost the argument and have nothing substantial to contribute.

I got the best of you so you call me names. Which is typical for a far right radical extremist like yourself.

You can whine, cry, stomp your feet and have all the temper tantrums you want. It won't make any difference.

YOU LOST this one. Deal with it.

Wow, i never knew assumption and guessing were part of the law....

So 50 years ago when the question was on the census it wasn't justice?

Where in the constitution or census law does it say the Commerce department has to justify a question?

If a question is used to deny citizens representation then it runs afoul of several laws.

Illegal aliens aren't entitled to representation, numskull. She they be given the right to vote as well?

 

[protectionist]

Article I, Section 2
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

This was modified by
Amendment XIV, Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

“Indians not taxed” was effectively ended in 1926 with the Indian Citizenship Act.

So, since there are exceptions to the count (though neither is currently applicable), but non-citizen is not one of them, then they are not excepted and must be counted.

Your post contradicted you. It says "and citizens of the United States,"

It also says >> "which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."

Ha ha - great job of refuting your own posts. So non-citizens are NOT included, and must NOT be counted.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Article I, Section 2
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

This was modified by
Amendment XIV, Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

“Indians not taxed” was effectively ended in 1926 with the Indian Citizenship Act.

So, since there are exceptions to the count (though neither is currently applicable), but non-citizen is not one of them, then they are not excepted and must be counted.

Your post contradicted you. It says "and citizens of the United States,"

It also says >> "which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."

Ha ha - great job of refuting your own posts. So non-citizens are NOT included, and must NOT be counted.

You need to learn to read a bit better. Everything that follows the word "But" explains what will happen if you deny people the right to vote, it is not dealing with whom is counted.

 

[protectionist]

Nobody said it was either illegal nor unconstitutional. What the SCOTUS said is that the Admin did not give sufficient cause to add the question at this late date and did not justify the drop in response rate that even the Admin admits will occur should the question be added.

I do love the fact you think the POTUS should ignore the law and just do what the hell ever he wants...shows once again that you are living in the wrong country.

The justification is obvious. The constitution speaks in terms of only citizens having representation, and being allowed to vote. Maybe the SCOTUS needs to get more sleep.

 

[protectionist]

You need to learn to read a bit better. Everything that follows the word "But" explains what will happen if you deny people the right to vote, it is not dealing with whom is counted.

I didn't say it was dealing with whom is counted, The point is the Constitution is speaking in terms of males, over 21, and citizens. That shows the inclusion of citizens and the exclusion of non-citizens in ANYTHING. Voting, census, counting, you name. The Constitution has made a value standard. You need to learn to think a little better.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You need to learn to read a bit better. Everything that follows the word "But" explains what will happen if you deny people the right to vote, it is not dealing with whom is counted.

I didn't say it was dealing with whom is counted, The point is the Constitution is speaking in terms of males, over 21, and citizens. That shows the inclusion of citizens and the exclusion of non-citizens in ANYTHING. Voting, census, counting, you name. The Constitution has made a value standard. You need to learn to think a little better.

Yes, that is who was allowed to vote back then, but is not who was counted for the apportionment of representatives.