Trump Is Eliminating VA Pensions - Whaaat ?

[debbiedowner]

Unfounded liabilities.

Which part of the word did you not understand?

My assumption is based on that that's how the changes are pretty much always made. If there even is a change in the first place. This seems like a misunderstanding to be honest.

I see nothing to indicate that this change would affect only new people. (by that you mean those just entering retirement age ?) (65)

Dude, you read a news article by a partisan site that for certain is going to overstate all reductions and sweep increases under the rug. Where are the actual facts?

I am 99.9% certain that you won't lose your benefits, so calm down now. And stop being so entitled. You know your offspring has to pay for all of this and is projected to get nothing like it in return.

So you think a disabled vet is entitled? That would explain why your nose is so far up Trumps ass.

 

[Jackson]

5 years equals a lifetime of income? Surely you weren't dependib on the military for your total income expenses!

My military pension is about 1/5 of my income > the numbers are in the OP. Too many people jump into threads without reading the OP.

As for the time of service, ONE DAY could = a lifetime of income. In that one day, you could be killed, and not HAVE a lifetime.

YOu are right. I missed that fact. If we supplied every serviceman an ample income for the rest of their lives, we'd be in worse shape than we are! There are many perks for servicemen and Trump is one of your ardent supporters. But we cannot create a burden of fully financing you through life. Now you are a grown up.

If you want to make a difference, create a link where it warns others of not depending solely on the government.
It could make a big difference to those for those who expect more and more income from the government. This is a nation that is free to create their own destiny.

 

[debbiedowner]

If people were actually stripped out of benefits, we wouldn't be hearing the end of it. Now a google search reveals nothing.

As stated, this is very unlikely to be even remotely correct.

Maybe as such a selfish person democrats would be the party to vote for. Basically you were voting for your own benefits paid by other people. Nice bro...

No, I am voting for my own VA benefits paid for by ME, by my 5 years in the Army.

And he thinks we're entitled.

 

[koshergrl]

He's going to streamline our benefits system. Veteran retirement benefits are meant to REPLACE social security benefits for career military men and women, for those who aren't eligible for ssb because they've never worked in the private sector.

People are so used to being paid for nothing that they forget the purpose of the program.

Where do get these ideas ? I've been a veteran for more than half a century, and I've never heard of what you're saying. VA disability and VA pensions are paid in addition to Social Security. I've never heard of anything else.

The concurrent payment is a new thing (occurred after 2003). But this is talking about different military benefits, not social security. I don't see anything about that in here.

"Until 2003, military retirees eligible for disability compensation could not receive both their full retirement annuity and their disability compensation. Instead, they had to choose between receiving their full retirement annuity from DoD or receiving their disability benefit from VA and forgoing an equal amount of their DoD retirement annuity; that reduction in the retirement annuity is typically referred to as the VA offset. Because the retirement annuity is generally taxable and disability compensation is not, most retirees chose the second alternative.

"As a result of several laws, starting with the National Defense Authorization Act for 2003, two classes of retired military personnel who receive VA disability compensation (including those who retired before the enactment of those laws) can now receive payments that make up for part or all of the VA offset, benefiting from what is often called concurrent receipt. Specifically, retirees whose disabilities arose from combat are eligible for combat-related special compensation (CRSC), and veterans who retire with at least 20 years of military service and who receive a VA disability rating of at least 50 percent are eligible for what is termed concurrent retirement and disability pay (CRDP). CRSC is exempt from federal taxes, but CRDP is not; some veterans would qualify for both payments but must choose between them."

Eliminate Concurrent Receipt of Retirement Pay and Disability Compensation for Disabled Veterans

 

[ClosedCaption]

Trump supporters are like:
"Hey their cutting it but its really a good thing"
"Its not a cut its something like a cut but not really a cut"


As if their explanations should calm the vets who can see the guillotine hanging over their necks.

"Hey, its not a Guillotine. That's not fair! Its more like a close shaving device. Put your neck in there"

 

[Norman]

Unfounded liabilities.

Which part of the word did you not understand?

My assumption is based on that that's how the changes are pretty much always made. If there even is a change in the first place. This seems like a misunderstanding to be honest.

I see nothing to indicate that this change would affect only new people. (by that you mean those just entering retirement age ?) (65)

Dude, you read a news article by a partisan site that for certain is going to overstate all reductions and sweep increases under the rug. Where are the actual facts?

I am 99.9% certain that you won't lose your benefits, so calm down now. And stop being so entitled. You know your offspring has to pay for all of this and is projected to get nothing like it in return.

So you think a disabled vet is entitled? That would explain why your nose is so far up Trumps ass.

Disabled people are eligible for disability and other benefits. He served in the military for a little while and now thinks he's entitled to a life time of treasure, based on what he thought he paid into the system (but in reality didn't). Not only that, he's apparently basing his voting decisions entirely based on that treasure, which is in actual fact taken from other people.

 

[Doc1]

"The most dramatic of those is an end to Individual Unemployability benefit payments to retirement-age veterans, a move expected to save $3.2 billion next year alone and $41 billion over the next decade."

Further down...

"Trump has proposed stopping those payouts once veterans are eligible for Social Security retirement benefits, arguing the practice now amounts to “the duplication of benefits.” It would impact more than 225,000 veterans receiving the payouts today. "

It eliminates as the article says, duplicate benefits.

 

[koshergrl]

5 years equals a lifetime of income? Surely you weren't dependib on the military for your total income expenses!

My military pension is about 1/5 of my income > the numbers are in the OP. Too many people jump into threads without reading the OP.

As for the time of service, ONE DAY could = a lifetime of income. In that one day, you could be killed, and not HAVE a lifetime.

I don't think they're talking about cutting benefits of people who also receive social security. I think they're just ending the concurrent benefits for disability/pension that only came into existence since 2003.

 

[iceberg]

As long as the billionaires get their tax cuts, that's all that matters

as long as we can ignore details and blame the "rich" that's all that matters.

 

[debbiedowner]

He's going to streamline our benefits system. Veteran retirement benefits are meant to REPLACE social security benefits for career military men and women, for those who aren't eligible for ssb because they've never worked in the private sector.

People are so used to being paid for nothing that they forget the purpose of the program.

Where do get these ideas ? I've been a veteran for more than half a century, and I've never heard of what you're saying. VA disability and VA pensions are paid in addition to Social Security. I've never heard of anything else.

It took me awhile to understand what she was saying, she's not even on topic. She's referring to a vet that spent 20 or 30 years in the service and drawing their retirement benefits. Came out of left field.

 

[Doc1]

5 years equals a lifetime of income? Surely you weren't dependib on the military for your total income expenses!

My military pension is about 1/5 of my income > the numbers are in the OP. Too many people jump into threads without reading the OP.

As for the time of service, ONE DAY could = a lifetime of income. In that one day, you could be killed, and not HAVE a lifetime.

I don't think they're talking about cutting benefits of people who also receive social security. I think they're just ending the concurrent benefits for disability/pension that only came into existence since 2003.

Once you are disabled for 24 months SS kicks in and you then have a duplication of benefits.

 

[debbiedowner]

He's going to streamline our benefits system. Veteran retirement benefits are meant to REPLACE social security benefits for career military men and women, for those who aren't eligible for ssb because they've never worked in the private sector.

People are so used to being paid for nothing that they forget the purpose of the program.

Where do get these ideas ? I've been a veteran for more than half a century, and I've never heard of what you're saying. VA disability and VA pensions are paid in addition to Social Security. I've never heard of anything else.

The concurrent payment is a new thing (occurred after 2003). But this is talking about different military benefits, not social security. I don't see anything about that in here.

"Until 2003, military retirees eligible for disability compensation could not receive both their full retirement annuity and their disability compensation. Instead, they had to choose between receiving their full retirement annuity from DoD or receiving their disability benefit from VA and forgoing an equal amount of their DoD retirement annuity; that reduction in the retirement annuity is typically referred to as the VA offset. Because the retirement annuity is generally taxable and disability compensation is not, most retirees chose the second alternative.

"As a result of several laws, starting with the National Defense Authorization Act for 2003, two classes of retired military personnel who receive VA disability compensation (including those who retired before the enactment of those laws) can now receive payments that make up for part or all of the VA offset, benefiting from what is often called concurrent receipt. Specifically, retirees whose disabilities arose from combat are eligible for combat-related special compensation (CRSC), and veterans who retire with at least 20 years of military service and who receive a VA disability rating of at least 50 percent are eligible for what is termed concurrent retirement and disability pay (CRDP). CRSC is exempt from federal taxes, but CRDP is not; some veterans would qualify for both payments but must choose between them."

Eliminate Concurrent Receipt of Retirement Pay and Disability Compensation for Disabled Veterans

Jesus Christ the thread is not about what you're posting. Go read his article.

 

[protectionist]

So you think a disabled vet is entitled? That would explain why your nose is so far up Trumps ass.

If a disabled vet is not entitled, NOBODY is. Without the veterans (disabled or not), you probably would never have been born, to mouth off like you're doing here now. Or you'd be a slave in some Nazi, Japanese, or Jihadist slave camp.

 

[Doc1]

So you think a disabled vet is entitled? That would explain why your nose is so far up Trumps ass.

If a disabled vet is not entitled, NOBODY is. Without the veterans (disabled or not), you probably would never have been born, to mouth off like you're doing here now. Or you'd be a slave in some Nazi, Japanese, or Jihadist slave camp.

Once you are disabled for 24 months SS kicks in and you then have a duplication of benefits. Stop with the emotion.

 

[protectionist]

YOu are right. I missed that fact. If we supplied every serviceman an ample income for the rest of their lives, we'd be in worse shape than we are! There are many perks for servicemen and Trump is one of your ardent supporters. But we cannot create a burden of fully financing you through life. Now you are a grown up.

If you want to make a difference, create a link where it warns others of not depending solely on the government.
It could make a big difference to those for those who expect more and more income from the government. This is a nation that is free to create their own destiny.

I'm curious. How old are you ?

 

[depotoo]

According to Stars and Stripes, nothing is mentioned regarding pensions being cut. It does state that those with a 60-100% disability rating all receive the max for unemployability now, and that would be reduced to a sliding scale, from what I garner. It states as an example those with 60% disability would be reduced from the max level of $2915 per month once ss kicks in down to $1062, per month. That seems reasonable to me.

Democrats, veterans groups criticize tradeoffs in Trump’s VA budget
Listed as the biggest offset for Choice program funding is a new restriction on which veterans are eligible for the VA’s Individual Unemployability benefit.

Veterans eligible now for the program have a 60 to 100 percent disability rating through the VA and are unable to secure a job because of their disability. It allows them to receive the highest compensation rate. For 2017, the monthly rate for a veteran living alone is $2,915.

The budget proposes to stop the higher payments once a veteran who is eligible for Social Security payments reaches the minimum age to receive them. Veterans who have already reached that age and receive Social Security would be removed immediately.

If a 60 percent disabled veteran living alone is removed from the Individual Unemployability program, their payments could decrease from the highest rate of $2,915 monthly to $1,062.

This sounds like something Obama would do. It is hard to comprehend. After all the talk about helping and protecting the veterans, we're going to get shafted like this ? Unreal. Hopefully, this is just another one of Trump's deal making MOs >> start high, work your way down to what you really want to do.

For now, I'm looking at it on its face value, and I don't like it one bit. I get $861/month for Social Security. I get another $267 from my VA pension. This is a total of a measly $1128/month. And I'm supposed to sit back and say OK to reducing that to $861/month, for my total income ?

For the first time, my support of Trump in is major jeopardy. I might even discard my Republican registration, and go back to being an Independent. Yikes. Trump better reconsider this, big time.

Trump's big VA budget request comes with proposed trims to vets benefits

 

[Moonglow]

Reagan was a GI benefit killer also...Notice how republicans claim to be pro-military.

 

[protectionist]

I have been in the military. Your squatting has zero relevance to the fact that the tax-payer is on the hook for you.

In the military the first thing they taught us is to not be so entitled, hmm... I wonder what unit this was. It was sooo difficult but they forgot to tell you that don't be such entitled princesses?

How old are you ? As for the taxpayer that's on the hook for me, he's no different than ME being on the hook for the veterasn who came before me, and that was for 50 years (my time in the workforce), so stop sobbing.

 

[Norman]

I have been in the military. Your squatting has zero relevance to the fact that the tax-payer is on the hook for you.

In the military the first thing they taught us is to not be so entitled, hmm... I wonder what unit this was. It was sooo difficult but they forgot to tell you that don't be such entitled princesses?

How old are you ? As for the taxpayer that's on the hook for me, he's no different than ME being on the hook for the veterasn who came before me, and that was for 50 years (my time in the workforce), so stop sobbing.

This is the false equivalency of the year. The first SS recipients paid nothing for their benefits. The younger generations have to pay all of it, currently they are in debt to the tune of 120 trillion. That's how the system works.

 

[koshergrl]

Trump supporters are like:
"Hey their cutting it but its really a good thing"
"Its not a cut its something like a cut but not really a cut"


As if their explanations should calm the vets who can see the guillotine hanging over their necks.

"Hey, its not a Guillotine. That's not fair! Its more like a close shaving device. Put your neck in there"

This sounds like something Obama would do. It is hard to comprehend. After all the talk about helping and protecting the veterans, we're going to get shafted like this ? Unreal. Hopefully, this is just another one of Trump's deal making MOs >> start high, work your way down to what you really want to do.

For now, I'm looking at it on its face value, and I don't like it one bit. I get $861/month for Social Security. I get another $267 from my VA pension. This is a total of a measly $1128/month. And I'm supposed to sit back and say OK to reducing that to $861/month, for my total income ?

For the first time, my support of Trump in is major jeopardy. I might even discard my Republican registration, and go back to being an Independent. Yikes. Trump better reconsider this, big time.

Trump's big VA budget request comes with proposed trims to vets benefits

Where in the article does it indicate that Trump is proposing to "Eliminate VA Pensions"?

All I see are cuts to in the Unemployability program after retirement, rounding COLA increases to the nearest dollar and capping GI Bill payouts to flight schools, the rest of it is INCREASES in VA funding.

"The United States spends more on defense than any other country in the world. However, a large and growing portion of that spending goes not toward training or equipment but instead towards retirement and health care costs. The Pentagon is slowly becoming a health care provider that also fights wars.

"That’s why the military retirement overhaul is an important achievement. It represents an innovative approach to a pressing challenge that the military has faced for decades. Such achievements have been lacking in the Washington in recent years, where both parties are too often wedded to the hidebound thinking of the past."

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...o-military-retirement-will-pay-off-for-troops