Trump Says "Insurance for Everyone."

[BluesLegend]

No... the ER is more expensive than a family doctor, but ERs are forced to treat people even if the people can't pay up front. You are advocating that people can get treatment in the ER no matter what. While that is true in a sense, it does more harm than good.

Tell me how you think that the ACA helped with this?

Millions of people are able to get their blood pressure, diabetes, and other preventative meds from a family doctor without being in debt for the rest of their lives and having horrible credit... thus having the ability to spend money within the economy... and are healthy enough to work.

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

 

[charwin95]

Gotcha. Just checking to see what Republicans all of a sudden support.

We've never been against healthcare or insurance. That's always been a progressive lie in order to demonize the right. What we cannot do is have income redistribution through subsidies like the ACA does, it just fucks over the middle class. Forcing the lower class to pay for most of their own health care is the way to go.

Huh? WTF is wrong with you? The lower class can barely afford to pay their fucking rent, how can they pay for health care in this country? Has living in Germany given you a lobotomy?

Most of the middle class can barely afford to pay their mortgage.
They'll just have to save more money instead of spending it on unnecessary things. Instead of tax dollars going to welfare checks, it can help subsidize their healthcare. Don't worry, there will be plenty of jobs when Trump takes over and kicks out all those illegals. Most of the lower class will be able to get two jobs.

Jesus dude. You really are out of your fucking mind. You're just not living on the same planet as the rest of us. What sort of jobs do you think illegals have anyway? Do you think they're performing open heart surgery? Do you think they're constructing elaborate plans for commercial buildings? Do you think they're arguing cases in court rooms? lol, dude...they're cleaning fucking houses, mowing lawns and picking strawberries.

Yup, they do low skill work. You know, the stuff people on welfare should be doing themselves. The stuff they would be doing if it weren't for welfare paying them to sit on their asses all day. You act as if those jobs are beneath people doing.

What made you do think that these people on welfare will give that up just to do a dirty work? Just imagine if they have kids ....... they have to pay babysitter just to make less than $10.
You are in the different planet dude.

 

[Doc1]

Millions of people are able to get their blood pressure, diabetes, and other preventative meds from a family doctor without being in debt for the rest of their lives and having horrible credit... thus having the ability to spend money within the economy... and are healthy enough to work.

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

It won't be cheaper much longer. The problem is in the collection methods....no way to collect unless someone is owed a refund.

Well the funny thing is, those that oppose Obamacare and any health program that helps those that can't afford health insurance... say they can just go to the ER... when you throw it back in their faces that they could just not buy health insurance they can't afford they can use the ER as well... they have no response.

Actually neither side has the answer for that. When the people are dependent upon the subsidies to even enroll in the bronze plans who in the hell can afford to pay the 14200 aggregate ded of said Bronze Plan. It's ridiculous.

 

[Lewdog]

Tell me how you think that the ACA helped with this?

Millions of people are able to get their blood pressure, diabetes, and other preventative meds from a family doctor without being in debt for the rest of their lives and having horrible credit... thus having the ability to spend money within the economy... and are healthy enough to work.

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

Then quit complaining about it?

 

[owebo]

We've never been against healthcare or insurance. That's always been a progressive lie in order to demonize the right. What we cannot do is have income redistribution through subsidies like the ACA does, it just fucks over the middle class. Forcing the lower class to pay for most of their own health care is the way to go.

Huh? WTF is wrong with you? The lower class can barely afford to pay their fucking rent, how can they pay for health care in this country? Has living in Germany given you a lobotomy?

Most of the middle class can barely afford to pay their mortgage.
They'll just have to save more money instead of spending it on unnecessary things. Instead of tax dollars going to welfare checks, it can help subsidize their healthcare. Don't worry, there will be plenty of jobs when Trump takes over and kicks out all those illegals. Most of the lower class will be able to get two jobs.

Jesus dude. You really are out of your fucking mind. You're just not living on the same planet as the rest of us. What sort of jobs do you think illegals have anyway? Do you think they're performing open heart surgery? Do you think they're constructing elaborate plans for commercial buildings? Do you think they're arguing cases in court rooms? lol, dude...they're cleaning fucking houses, mowing lawns and picking strawberries.

Yup, they do low skill work. You know, the stuff people on welfare should be doing themselves. The stuff they would be doing if it weren't for welfare paying them to sit on their asses all day. You act as if those jobs are beneath people doing.

What made you do think that these people on welfare will give that up just to do a dirty work? Just imagine if they have kids ....... they have to pay babysitter just to make less than $10.
You are in the different planet dude.

Simple, end welfare...

 

[owebo]

Millions of people are able to get their blood pressure, diabetes, and other preventative meds from a family doctor without being in debt for the rest of their lives and having horrible credit... thus having the ability to spend money within the economy... and are healthy enough to work.

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

Then quit complaining about it?

Obamacare? We are ending it....

 

[BluesLegend]

This fool said people were dying because they could not get treatment, that was a lie. You are complaining that people have to pay their own medical bills, well duh. I have no problem helping those who truly need help, but I'll be damned if I'm going to work overtime to pay the bills of able bodied lazy fat ass moochers.

No... the ER is more expensive than a family doctor, but ERs are forced to treat people even if the people can't pay up front. You are advocating that people can get treatment in the ER no matter what. While that is true in a sense, it does more harm than good.

Yes, able bodied moochers choose to spend their money on drugs, prostitutes, bling, etc. then mooch off the rest of us via running to the ER and not paying their bills. The solution is NOT to gift them free healthcare paid for by me fuck that.

I am a Conservative, you are incorrect. I find myself in a strange position. I am repulsed by those who knowingly and willfully take advantage of system....they however cannot be allowed to hurt those that truly need help.

I am not incorrect. Read the posts fully before replying, I clearly said, "I have no problem helping those who truly need help".

Your mistake is in thinking I follow your every post. However, how would you propose to winnow about the abusers?

If you are going to tell me I'm incorrect, then its on you to at least read the posts you are quoting is it not. Yes, I'm correct again. Just assume I'm correct 99.9% of the time as a rule.

 

[BluesLegend]

This fool said people were dying because they could not get treatment, that was a lie. You are complaining that people have to pay their own medical bills, well duh. I have no problem helping those who truly need help, but I'll be damned if I'm going to work overtime to pay the bills of able bodied lazy fat ass moochers.

No... the ER is more expensive than a family doctor, but ERs are forced to treat people even if the people can't pay up front. You are advocating that people can get treatment in the ER no matter what. While that is true in a sense, it does more harm than good.

Yes, able bodied moochers choose to spend their money on drugs, prostitutes, bling, etc. then mooch off the rest of us via running to the ER and not paying their bills. The solution is NOT to gift them free healthcare paid for by me fuck that.

I am a Conservative, you are incorrect. I find myself in a strange position. I am repulsed by those who knowingly and willfully take advantage of system....they however cannot be allowed to hurt those that truly need help.

I am not incorrect. Read the posts fully before replying, I clearly said, "I have no problem helping those who truly need help".

You say you have no problem helping those that truly need help while in the next breath saying everyone is moochers.

You have trouble with reading comprehension. The number of truly needy people who deserve our help as a wealthy nation, is a small fraction of the number of moochers signed up for Obamacare. I'm not going to pay for their health insurance so they can spend their money on drugs, alcohol, the lotto, casino's, and all the other crap they waste their money on.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Millions of people are able to get their blood pressure, diabetes, and other preventative meds from a family doctor without being in debt for the rest of their lives and having horrible credit... thus having the ability to spend money within the economy... and are healthy enough to work.

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

Then quit complaining about it?

Actually, that's why you should start complaining about it. The costs the insurance companies are experiencing are so much higher than predicted that they are either raising rates beyond what many people will be able to pay or just dropping out of markets altogether.

 

[Doc1]

No... the ER is more expensive than a family doctor, but ERs are forced to treat people even if the people can't pay up front. You are advocating that people can get treatment in the ER no matter what. While that is true in a sense, it does more harm than good.

Yes, able bodied moochers choose to spend their money on drugs, prostitutes, bling, etc. then mooch off the rest of us via running to the ER and not paying their bills. The solution is NOT to gift them free healthcare paid for by me fuck that.

I am a Conservative, you are incorrect. I find myself in a strange position. I am repulsed by those who knowingly and willfully take advantage of system....they however cannot be allowed to hurt those that truly need help.

I am not incorrect. Read the posts fully before replying, I clearly said, "I have no problem helping those who truly need help".

Your mistake is in thinking I follow your every post. However, how would you propose to winnow about the abusers?

If you are going to tell me I'm incorrect, then its on you to at least read the posts you are quoting is it not. Yes, I'm correct again. Just assume I'm correct 99.9% of the time as a rule.

Of course, you are an expert.
Tell me, what is the threshold that kicks the premium increase approvals up to the Feds?
What is the level of income where the subsidies kick in?
How much did the insurance companies get back from the risk corridors as opposed to what they were promised?
Hell, can you tell me what a risk corridor is?
You don't know shit about it kid.

 

[Lewdog]

No... the ER is more expensive than a family doctor, but ERs are forced to treat people even if the people can't pay up front. You are advocating that people can get treatment in the ER no matter what. While that is true in a sense, it does more harm than good.

Yes, able bodied moochers choose to spend their money on drugs, prostitutes, bling, etc. then mooch off the rest of us via running to the ER and not paying their bills. The solution is NOT to gift them free healthcare paid for by me fuck that.

I am a Conservative, you are incorrect. I find myself in a strange position. I am repulsed by those who knowingly and willfully take advantage of system....they however cannot be allowed to hurt those that truly need help.

I am not incorrect. Read the posts fully before replying, I clearly said, "I have no problem helping those who truly need help".

You say you have no problem helping those that truly need help while in the next breath saying everyone is moochers.

You have trouble with reading comprehension. The number of truly needy people who deserve our help as a wealthy nation, is a small fraction of the number of moochers signed up for Obamacare. I'm not going to pay for their health insurance so they can spend their money on drugs, alcohol, the lotto, casino's, and all the other crap they waste their money on.

Got proof of that? You sure like to make big statements with little support for them.

 

[BluesLegend]

Millions of people are able to get their blood pressure, diabetes, and other preventative meds from a family doctor without being in debt for the rest of their lives and having horrible credit... thus having the ability to spend money within the economy... and are healthy enough to work.

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

It won't be cheaper much longer. The problem is in the collection methods....no way to collect unless someone is owed a refund.

Well the funny thing is, those that oppose Obamacare and any health program that helps those that can't afford health insurance... say they can just go to the ER... when you throw it back in their faces that they could just not buy health insurance they can't afford they can use the ER as well... they have no response.

Nobody is saying that but you. When people lie and claim people without insurance are left to die, we call them out on that lie by pointing out that any ER will treat those people.

 

[Doc1]

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

It won't be cheaper much longer. The problem is in the collection methods....no way to collect unless someone is owed a refund.

Well the funny thing is, those that oppose Obamacare and any health program that helps those that can't afford health insurance... say they can just go to the ER... when you throw it back in their faces that they could just not buy health insurance they can't afford they can use the ER as well... they have no response.

Nobody is saying that but you. When people lie and claim people without insurance are left to die, we call them out on that lie by pointing out that any ER will treat those people.

....and you pay for it.
So?

 

[Lewdog]

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

Then quit complaining about it?

Actually, that's why you should start complaining about it. The costs the insurance companies are experiencing are so much higher than predicted that they are either raising rates beyond what many people will be able to pay or just dropping out of markets altogether.

No it doesn't matter. The Republicans think they can come up with a better system that does the exact same things... and the same people here complaining that their tax dollars go to help moochers are happy with the new system that is going to be put into place... that uses their tax dollars.

 

[owebo]

Yes, able bodied moochers choose to spend their money on drugs, prostitutes, bling, etc. then mooch off the rest of us via running to the ER and not paying their bills. The solution is NOT to gift them free healthcare paid for by me fuck that.

I am a Conservative, you are incorrect. I find myself in a strange position. I am repulsed by those who knowingly and willfully take advantage of system....they however cannot be allowed to hurt those that truly need help.

I am not incorrect. Read the posts fully before replying, I clearly said, "I have no problem helping those who truly need help".

Your mistake is in thinking I follow your every post. However, how would you propose to winnow about the abusers?

If you are going to tell me I'm incorrect, then its on you to at least read the posts you are quoting is it not. Yes, I'm correct again. Just assume I'm correct 99.9% of the time as a rule.

Of course, you are an expert.
Tell me, what is the threshold that kicks the premium increase approvals up to the Feds?
What is the level of income where the subsidies kick in?
How much did the insurance companies get back from the risk corridors as opposed to what they were promised?
Hell, can you tell me what a risk corridor is?
You don't know shit about it kid.

It's not that you know so much, it's that much of what you know will be worthless in 4 days....so why gloat? We won.....

Are you sure you're a conservative?

 

[owebo]

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

Then quit complaining about it?

Actually, that's why you should start complaining about it. The costs the insurance companies are experiencing are so much higher than predicted that they are either raising rates beyond what many people will be able to pay or just dropping out of markets altogether.

No it doesn't matter. The Republicans think they can come up with a better system that does the exact same things... and the same people here complaining that their tax dollars go to help moochers are happy with the new system that is going to be put into place... that uses their tax dollars.

It's called the free market....the key is we don't have your plantation.....

 

[BluesLegend]

Millions of people are able to get their blood pressure, diabetes, and other preventative meds from a family doctor without being in debt for the rest of their lives and having horrible credit... thus having the ability to spend money within the economy... and are healthy enough to work.

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

Then quit complaining about it?

Stop being a gutless coward, just come out and admit that you want me to buy health insurance for millions of other people, even if that means millions of moochers don't have to pay a dime and spend their money instead on booze, drugs, and whatever.

 

[Doc1]

I am a Conservative, you are incorrect. I find myself in a strange position. I am repulsed by those who knowingly and willfully take advantage of system....they however cannot be allowed to hurt those that truly need help.

I am not incorrect. Read the posts fully before replying, I clearly said, "I have no problem helping those who truly need help".

Your mistake is in thinking I follow your every post. However, how would you propose to winnow about the abusers?

If you are going to tell me I'm incorrect, then its on you to at least read the posts you are quoting is it not. Yes, I'm correct again. Just assume I'm correct 99.9% of the time as a rule.

Of course, you are an expert.
Tell me, what is the threshold that kicks the premium increase approvals up to the Feds?
What is the level of income where the subsidies kick in?
How much did the insurance companies get back from the risk corridors as opposed to what they were promised?
Hell, can you tell me what a risk corridor is?
You don't know shit about it kid.

It's not that you know so much, it's that much of what you know will be worthless in 4 days....so why gloat? We won.....

Are you sure you're a conservative?

I'm not gloating about anything, I am telling you that the Donald (Whom I voted for) is going to be bitch slapped by the truth on the ground.

 

[Lewdog]

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

It won't be cheaper much longer. The problem is in the collection methods....no way to collect unless someone is owed a refund.

Well the funny thing is, those that oppose Obamacare and any health program that helps those that can't afford health insurance... say they can just go to the ER... when you throw it back in their faces that they could just not buy health insurance they can't afford they can use the ER as well... they have no response.

Nobody is saying that but you. When people lie and claim people without insurance are left to die, we call them out on that lie by pointing out that any ER will treat those people.

No... people WILL die. ER's don't do organ transplants nor give free cancer treatments... or do preventative care for blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, etc. They also don't help pay for meds. So yes, go ahead, prove me wrong.

While you are at it, please provide proof the majority of people that get health insurance under Obamacare are prostitutes and losers buying bling and drugs.

 

[Lewdog]

10k deductibles bankrupt people.....

These fools think Obamacare is actually worth a shit. Obamacare steals money from working people, and gifts it to largely lazy as moochers that's all it does. Many Obamacare policy holders get nothing in return, the annual deductibles are so high they are paying for all their healthcare costs out of pocket, plus the premiums. Meanwhile the moochers pay next to nothing.

If the premiums are so high...and everything is out of pocket... then why not pay the cheaper tax penalty and not have insurance at all?

LMAO that's exactly what healthy people are doing, hence the Obamacare pool is filled with moochers and sick people and going broke because there's not enough healthy people paying in to foot the bill.

Then quit complaining about it?

Stop being a gutless coward, just come out and admit that you want me to buy health insurance for millions of other people, even if that means millions of moochers don't have to pay a dime and spend their money instead on booze, drugs, and whatever.

No, a gutless coawrd makes outlandish statement for the basis of their argument and can't back them up with facts.