Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

The right wing, prefers to blame the poor.
Except when they need their votes:

Race, class and the election of Trump - World Socialist Web Site

"The interpretation of the 2016 election through the prism of race and, to a lesser extent, gender, stands in glaring contradiction to the facts. The electorate that defeated Clinton—the multimillionaire personification of the political status quo—had voted twice to put Barack Obama in the White House.

"Trump owes his victory largely to a surge in voting by non-college-educated whites aged 45-64, particularly men. This demographic voted by a lopsided margin for the Republican billionaire.

"These people, born between 1952 and 1971, entered the work force between 1970 and 1989. They therefore experienced mass layoffs, declining wages and worsening working conditions throughout their working lives."
You mean the same party that fired air traffic controllers and decimated unions in general.


That would be your party buying cheap crap from chins


.
Better products at lower cost, always increase market share. That is a management responsibility.


Better products at cheaper cost my ass..


Levi's made in America used to last a 100 years with men like me wearing them.


Hell they were such bad asses people sell them for 1000s of dollars now a days


Now little girls can tear apart Levi's made in China in less then a week


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how about body paint that insulates like clothes?
 
Except when they need their votes:

Race, class and the election of Trump - World Socialist Web Site

"The interpretation of the 2016 election through the prism of race and, to a lesser extent, gender, stands in glaring contradiction to the facts. The electorate that defeated Clinton—the multimillionaire personification of the political status quo—had voted twice to put Barack Obama in the White House.

"Trump owes his victory largely to a surge in voting by non-college-educated whites aged 45-64, particularly men. This demographic voted by a lopsided margin for the Republican billionaire.

"These people, born between 1952 and 1971, entered the work force between 1970 and 1989. They therefore experienced mass layoffs, declining wages and worsening working conditions throughout their working lives."
You mean the same party that fired air traffic controllers and decimated unions in general.
Since the mid-1970s the Democrats recognized the impending demise of organized labor's political influence and navigated into the same fund raising waters as Republicans. Imho, today both major parties serve the interests of the US investor class (about 5% of all voters) at the expense of the overwhelming majority of citizens with the lion's share of the gains going to those at the very top of the economy.
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Seems like the democrats are willing to try to come up with some solutions, instead of having nothing but repeal.
But we don't see any Democrats proposing the solutions FDR was compelled to make at the outset of the Great Depression. Obama promised Hope and Change and eight years later millions of blue collar voters who had supported him twice turned to Trump. Any possibility of a Green New Deal that would supply millions of living wage jobs does not seem to be a solution either major party will seriously consider, possibly because of the tax burden it would place on their major funders.
The only thing that compelled FDR to make any of his decisions was his fascist ideology.
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Talk:Franklin D. Roosevelt - Wikiquote

"'I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it'[edit]


"I like this quote, it is reqularly repeated and would like to use it but I can't find a good reference to support it. Is it a real quote, a mis-quote or what? can anyone help? PeterEastern 12:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

"Harry Belafonte recalled in an interview with Tavis Smiley recently a story he was told by Eleanor Roosevelt. She related a public event when her husband, FDR, introduced Randolph and asked him, Belafonte recalled, 'what he thought of the nation, what he thought of the plight of the Negro people and what did he think ... where the nation was headed.' Continuing the story, Belafonte recounted what FDR replied upon hearing Randolph's remarks: 'You know, Mr. Randolph, I've heard everything you've said tonight, and I couldn't agree with you more. I agree with everything that you've said, including my capacity to be able to right many of these wrongs and to use my power and the bully pulpit. ... But I would ask one thing of you, Mr. Randolph, and that is go out and make me do it.'"

A long train ride"
 
Except when they need their votes:

Race, class and the election of Trump - World Socialist Web Site

"The interpretation of the 2016 election through the prism of race and, to a lesser extent, gender, stands in glaring contradiction to the facts. The electorate that defeated Clinton—the multimillionaire personification of the political status quo—had voted twice to put Barack Obama in the White House.

"Trump owes his victory largely to a surge in voting by non-college-educated whites aged 45-64, particularly men. This demographic voted by a lopsided margin for the Republican billionaire.

"These people, born between 1952 and 1971, entered the work force between 1970 and 1989. They therefore experienced mass layoffs, declining wages and worsening working conditions throughout their working lives."
You mean the same party that fired air traffic controllers and decimated unions in general.
Since the mid-1970s the Democrats recognized the impending demise of organized labor's political influence and navigated into the same fund raising waters as Republicans. Imho, today both major parties serve the interests of the US investor class (about 5% of all voters) at the expense of the overwhelming majority of citizens with the lion's share of the gains going to those at the very top of the economy.
Figure-3-e1455723924591.png
Seems like the democrats are willing to try to come up with some solutions, instead of having nothing but repeal.
But we don't see any Democrats proposing the solutions FDR was compelled to make at the outset of the Great Depression. Obama promised Hope and Change and eight years later millions of blue collar voters who had supported him twice turned to Trump. Any possibility of a Green New Deal that would supply millions of living wage jobs does not seem to be a solution either major party will seriously consider, possibly because of the tax burden it would place on their major funders.
bailing out the rich had priority over equal protection of the law for the poor.
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This has been going on for thousands of years.
Maybe that's why the Internet was invented?
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...ns-and-businesses-control-politics-and-policy
 
I have never been a proponent of the wall (I've always felt that the money would be better spent on technology and people as a means of securing our borders). But after seeing this, it's hard to argue with the results...

 
I have never been a proponent of the wall (I've always felt that the money would be better spent on technology and people as a means of securing our borders). But after seeing this, it's hard to argue with the results...


Yes, it is our extra-Constitutional, alleged War on Drugs, that helps create the conditions described in the video. It is what happens when we get a War on Drugs, instead of a Mission to Mars.
 
I have never been a proponent of the wall (I've always felt that the money would be better spent on technology and people as a means of securing our borders). But after seeing this, it's hard to argue with the results...


I hate to say it, but what do you think I've been telling you?
 
I have never been a proponent of the wall (I've always felt that the money would be better spent on technology and people as a means of securing our borders). But after seeing this, it's hard to argue with the results...


Yes, it is our extra-Constitutional, alleged War on Drugs, that helps create the conditions described in the video. It is what happens when we get a War on Drugs, instead of a Mission to Mars.

Figured the dopers would oppose the wall.
 
I have never been a proponent of the wall (I've always felt that the money would be better spent on technology and people as a means of securing our borders). But after seeing this, it's hard to argue with the results...


I hate to say it, but what do you think I've been telling you?

Nahhh, you don't hate to say it ... in fact, I think you kinda like it !!!!
 
Damn ... there you go confusing the left with facts again!!

Don't you know the left can't count past 20? Well, the men can count to 21, (probably closer to 20 1/2) .... ??


The Comrade's wall is not going to get built.. Congress has already said NO--they're not going to fund it, and for good reason--they don't work. A great video on this--at the end of this video it will tell you how much we already wasted on walls and fences. Then it will move into another video regarding the terrain issues, and the problems with structural security.



Watch the above video through it's entirety.

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They have found 240 of these in the San Diego region alone.
The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

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The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations. Anything they can see--can and will always be compromised.

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Damn ... there you go confusing the left with facts again!!

Don't you know the left can't count past 20? Well, the men can count to 21, (probably closer to 20 1/2) .... ??


The Comrade's wall is not going to get built.. Congress has already said NO--they're not going to fund it, and for good reason--they don't work. A great video on this--at the end of this video it will tell you how much we already wasted on walls and fences. Then it will move into another video regarding the terrain issues, and the problems with structural security.



Watch the above video through it's entirety.

750x422

They have found 240 of these in the San Diego region alone.
The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

ghavidel20130310145716093.jpg


th


th


th


The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations. Anything they can see--can and will always be compromised.

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So you showed, what, a dozen people getting through it? How many got through before they built those walls, 600,000/year? All your stupid transparent claims about the wall not working depend on it not being watched. The effectiveness of anyone guarding the boarder without a wall will be magnified 1000 times by the wall.

Build the fucking wall, moron.
 
Damn ... there you go confusing the left with facts again!!

Don't you know the left can't count past 20? Well, the men can count to 21, (probably closer to 20 1/2) .... ??


The Comrade's wall is not going to get built.. Congress has already said NO--they're not going to fund it, and for good reason--they don't work. A great video on this--at the end of this video it will tell you how much we already wasted on walls and fences. Then it will move into another video regarding the terrain issues, and the problems with structural security.

The average idiot - and you're certainly not average, are you - knows that the wall is but a single tool in a large toolbox of techniques, resources, and disciplines that can be used to manage the border.

To attempt to ignore those tools in order to try to prove your position is, at the least, intellectually dishonest, demonstrates your lack of engineering knowledge, and - at the most - is just plain dumb.
 
I have never been a proponent of the wall (I've always felt that the money would be better spent on technology and people as a means of securing our borders). But after seeing this, it's hard to argue with the results...


Yes, it is our extra-Constitutional, alleged War on Drugs, that helps create the conditions described in the video. It is what happens when we get a War on Drugs, instead of a Mission to Mars.

Figured the dopers would oppose the wall.

Laissez-fair in public policies, right wingers.
 
Damn ... there you go confusing the left with facts again!!

Don't you know the left can't count past 20? Well, the men can count to 21, (probably closer to 20 1/2) .... ??


The Comrade's wall is not going to get built.. Congress has already said NO--they're not going to fund it, and for good reason--they don't work. A great video on this--at the end of this video it will tell you how much we already wasted on walls and fences. Then it will move into another video regarding the terrain issues, and the problems with structural security.



Watch the above video through it's entirety.

750x422

They have found 240 of these in the San Diego region alone.
The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

ghavidel20130310145716093.jpg


th


th


th


The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations. Anything they can see--can and will always be compromised.

th

Home Depot is in Mexico now; remember to buy or rent, American ladders.
 
Damn ... there you go confusing the left with facts again!!

Don't you know the left can't count past 20? Well, the men can count to 21, (probably closer to 20 1/2) .... ??


The Comrade's wall is not going to get built.. Congress has already said NO--they're not going to fund it, and for good reason--they don't work. A great video on this--at the end of this video it will tell you how much we already wasted on walls and fences. Then it will move into another video regarding the terrain issues, and the problems with structural security.



Watch the above video through it's entirety.

750x422

They have found 240 of these in the San Diego region alone.
The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

ghavidel20130310145716093.jpg


th


th


th


The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations. Anything they can see--can and will always be compromised.

th


So you showed, what, a dozen people getting through it? How many got through before they built those walls, 600,000/year? All your stupid transparent claims about the wall not working depend on it not being watched. The effectiveness of anyone guarding the boarder without a wall will be magnified 1000 times by the wall.

Build the fucking wall, moron.

A wall is more expensive than a market friendly visa with work authorization, potential. Don't "hate on the poor and capitalism" at the same time.
 
Damn ... there you go confusing the left with facts again!!

Don't you know the left can't count past 20? Well, the men can count to 21, (probably closer to 20 1/2) .... ??


The Comrade's wall is not going to get built.. Congress has already said NO--they're not going to fund it, and for good reason--they don't work. A great video on this--at the end of this video it will tell you how much we already wasted on walls and fences. Then it will move into another video regarding the terrain issues, and the problems with structural security.

The average idiot - and you're certainly not average, are you - knows that the wall is but a single tool in a large toolbox of techniques, resources, and disciplines that can be used to manage the border.

To attempt to ignore those tools in order to try to prove your position is, at the least, intellectually dishonest, demonstrates your lack of engineering knowledge, and - at the most - is just plain dumb.
the right wing prefers to, "ditch capitalism" for their "national socialism" at every opportunity.
 

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