Unemployment falls to 8.3%

[Katzndogz]

The unemployment figures are like a balloon in a vacuum chamber. As the air is pumped out of the chamber, the balloon gets bigger even if there is less air in the balloon then there was when it was first put in the chamber.

 

[saveliberty]

It makes the criticism of the job numbers suspect, too, if they're actually better than should be expected. Kind of a wash, don't you think? It's not like Obama's detractors are trying to be "fair and balanced", you know.

konradv, Michigan has been a top ten leader in job growth during the recovery. Our unemployment numbers went up in the time period specified. Unemployment figures frequently get restated. Just seems unlikely, that is all I'm saying.

 

[pinqy]

There's no way I would trust those numbers. The collection of data. is not accurate. The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.
How the Government Measures Unemployment

Your own link says you're full of shit!

But, just for the fun of it, let's assume you aren't full of shit. The GOP would not extend unemployment benefits during the Bush Regime so they could only collect for 26 weeks and then they were not counted any more as you say. Today they collect for 99 weeks, 3.8 times longer than during the Bush Regime, so to get Bush's REAL U-3 numbers you must multiply by a factor of 3.8, so Bush averaged about a 20% REAL U-3 rate for his 8 years.

And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Note the qualification "insured unemployed." that is NOT the official unemployment rate. The insured unemployment rate is the % covered by UI receiving benefits. Currently at 2.7%
ETA Press Release: Unemployment Insurance Weekly Claims Report

The official UE (UE, NOT UI) is explained at Employment Situation Technical Note

In short, you're citing the wrong numbers

 

[konradv]

It makes the numbers more suspect. If true, yes it is good news. Reality doesn't seem to jive with the numbers though.

It makes the criticism of the job numbers suspect, too, if they're actually better than should be expected. Kind of a wash, don't you think? It's not like Obama's detractors are trying to be "fair and balanced", you know.

Being fair and balanced with people who try to use false cooked numbers to influence other people. Are you for real?

There's been nothing except uncited accusations on that front. I'm reaL, not so sure about your "evidence".

 

[edthecynic]

There's no way I would trust those numbers. The collection of data. is not accurate. The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.
How the Government Measures Unemployment

Your own link says you're full of shit!

But, just for the fun of it, let's assume you aren't full of shit. The GOP would not extend unemployment benefits during the Bush Regime so they could only collect for 26 weeks and then they were not counted any more as you say. Today they collect for 99 weeks, 3.8 times longer than during the Bush Regime, so to get Bush's REAL U-3 numbers you must multiply by a factor of 3.8, so Bush averaged about a 20% REAL U-3 rate for his 8 years.

And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits

Hey, dumb ass, Unemployment rates are not INSURANCE!!!!

From YOUR own link:

Where do the statistics come from?

Early each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor announces the total number of employed and unemployed persons in the United States for the previous month, along with many characteristics of such persons. These figures, particularly the unemployment rate—which tells you the percent of the labor force that is unemployed—receive wide coverage in the media.
Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.
Other people think that the Government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long. Besides, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker come to their homes every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.)

 

[8537]

None of the millions who have given up even looking for work are counted.

None of the millions who are working part-time because there are no real jobs are counted.

None of the tens of thousands of military soon to be out of work as The Apologist-In-Chief beats the drum for weakness and socialism will be counted.

But....don't worry....be happy......

That's why the decrease in unemployment is not due to more people actually working, but a shrinkage in the entire economy.

The economy didn't shrink. In fact, it's expanding.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your own link says you're full of shit!

But, just for the fun of it, let's assume you aren't full of shit. The GOP would not extend unemployment benefits during the Bush Regime so they could only collect for 26 weeks and then they were not counted any more as you say. Today they collect for 99 weeks, 3.8 times longer than during the Bush Regime, so to get Bush's REAL U-3 numbers you must multiply by a factor of 3.8, so Bush averaged about a 20% REAL U-3 rate for his 8 years.

And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits

Hey, dumb ass, Unemployment rates are not INSURANCE!!!!

From YOUR own link:

Where do the statistics come from?

Early each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor announces the total number of employed and unemployed persons in the United States for the previous month, along with many characteristics of such persons. These figures, particularly the unemployment rate—which tells you the percent of the labor force that is unemployed—receive wide coverage in the media.
Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.
Other people think that the Government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long. Besides, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker come to their homes every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.)

I am puzzled, do you take medication? What I posted was the information how they come up with the numbers.

One more time from my source that you partially used. this is the part you left out.

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits
Because of these and other limitations, statistics on insured unemployment cannot be used as a count of total unemployment in the United States. Indeed, during 2008, only 36 percent of the total unemployed received UI benefits. The weekly data on UI claims do have important uses, however, and provide a timely indicator on labor market conditions.

What it's doing is saying that's the people who are not counted as unemployed.

Can someone else help this stupid son of a bitch?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your own link says you're full of shit!

But, just for the fun of it, let's assume you aren't full of shit. The GOP would not extend unemployment benefits during the Bush Regime so they could only collect for 26 weeks and then they were not counted any more as you say. Today they collect for 99 weeks, 3.8 times longer than during the Bush Regime, so to get Bush's REAL U-3 numbers you must multiply by a factor of 3.8, so Bush averaged about a 20% REAL U-3 rate for his 8 years.

And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Note the qualification "insured unemployed." that is NOT the official unemployment rate. The insured unemployment rate is the % covered by UI receiving benefits. Currently at 2.7%
ETA Press Release: Unemployment Insurance Weekly Claims Report

The official UE (UE, NOT UI) is explained at Employment Situation Technical Note

In short, you're citing the wrong numbers

Are you just as stupid as ed the liar is? What numbers did I site in that post? All I did was post how they come up with the numbers. What I posted came from the BLS
How the Government Measures Unemployment

 

[edthecynic]

And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits

Hey, dumb ass, Unemployment rates are not INSURANCE!!!!

From YOUR own link:

Where do the statistics come from?

Early each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor announces the total number of employed and unemployed persons in the United States for the previous month, along with many characteristics of such persons. These figures, particularly the unemployment rate—which tells you the percent of the labor force that is unemployed—receive wide coverage in the media.
Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.
Other people think that the Government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long. Besides, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker come to their homes every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.)

I am puzzled, do you take medication? What I posted was the information how they come up with the numbers.

One more time from my source that you partially used. this is the part you left out.

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits
Because of these and other limitations, statistics on insured unemployment cannot be used as a count of total unemployment in the United States. Indeed, during 2008, only 36 percent of the total unemployed received UI benefits. The weekly data on UI claims do have important uses, however, and provide a timely indicator on labor market conditions.

What it's doing is saying that's the people who are not counted as unemployed.

Can someone else help this stupid son of a bitch?

NO, you mindless ignorant boob, it is saying they don't count as INSURED unemployed!!!!!!!! They still count as unemployed in the U-3 through U-6 figures.
I know CON$ pretend to be stupid so they can lie without feeling any shame in lying, but you are ridiculous!!!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hey, dumb ass, Unemployment rates are not INSURANCE!!!!

From YOUR own link:

Where do the statistics come from?

Early each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor announces the total number of employed and unemployed persons in the United States for the previous month, along with many characteristics of such persons. These figures, particularly the unemployment rate—which tells you the percent of the labor force that is unemployed—receive wide coverage in the media.
Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.
Other people think that the Government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long. Besides, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker come to their homes every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.)

I am puzzled, do you take medication? What I posted was the information how they come up with the numbers.

One more time from my source that you partially used. this is the part you left out.

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits
Because of these and other limitations, statistics on insured unemployment cannot be used as a count of total unemployment in the United States. Indeed, during 2008, only 36 percent of the total unemployed received UI benefits. The weekly data on UI claims do have important uses, however, and provide a timely indicator on labor market conditions.

What it's doing is saying that's the people who are not counted as unemployed.

Can someone else help this stupid son of a bitch?

NO, you mindless ignorant boob, it is saying they don't count as INSURED unemployed!!!!!!!! They still count as unemployed in the U-3 through U-6 figures.
I know CON$ pretend to be stupid so they can lie without feeling any shame in lying, but you are ridiculous!!!

OK assshat lets review before we go any further This is what I said earlier

There's no way I would trust those numbers. The collection of data. is not accurate. The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.
How the Government Measures Unemployment

You said

Your own link says you're full of shit!

But, just for the fun of it, let's assume you aren't full of shit. The GOP would not extend unemployment benefits during the Bush Regime so they could only collect for 26 weeks and then they were not counted any more as you say. Today they collect for 99 weeks, 3.8 times longer than during the Bush Regime, so to get Bush's REAL U-3 numbers you must multiply by a factor of 3.8, so Bush averaged about a 20% REAL U-3 rate for his 8 years.

Then I posted this
And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits


And you still disagree with that and now you agree with what I said earlier which was this.

There's no way I would trust those numbers. The collection of data. is not accurate. The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.
How the Government Measures Unemployment

This statement

The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.

is correct with this from the BLS

What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits

exhausted means to run out. Do you understand?

 

[saveliberty]

Better to prolong the recession than stop unemployment benefit extentions huh?

 

[pinqy]

And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:[K/QUOTE]
Note the qualification "insured unemployed." that is NOT the official unemployment rate. The insured unemployment rate is the % covered by UI receiving benefits. Currently at 2.7%
ETA Press Release: Unemployment Insurance Weekly Claims Report

The official UE (UE, NOT UI) is explained at Employment Situation Technical Note

In short, you're citing the wrong numbers

Are you just as stupid as ed the liar is? What numbers did I site in that post? All I did was post how they come up with the numbers. What I posted came from the BLS
How the Government Measures Unemployment

But you missed this part:

The UI figures are not produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Statistics on insured unemployment in the United States are collected as a by-product of UI programs. Workers who lose their jobs and are covered by these programs typically file claims ("initial claims") that serve as notice that they are beginning a period of unemployment. Claimants who qualify for benefits are counted in the insured unemployment figures (as "continued claims"). Data on UI claims are maintained by the Employment and Training Administration, an agency of the U.S. Department of Labor, and are available on the Internet at: workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp

In other words NOT used for the UE rate.

How did you skip past all the parts explaining tha UI data is not used?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Are you just as stupid as ed the liar is? What numbers did I site in that post? All I did was post how they come up with the numbers. What I posted came from the BLS
How the Government Measures Unemployment

But you missed this part:

The UI figures are not produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Statistics on insured unemployment in the United States are collected as a by-product of UI programs. Workers who lose their jobs and are covered by these programs typically file claims ("initial claims") that serve as notice that they are beginning a period of unemployment. Claimants who qualify for benefits are counted in the insured unemployment figures (as "continued claims"). Data on UI claims are maintained by the Employment and Training Administration, an agency of the U.S. Department of Labor, and are available on the Internet at: workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp

In other words NOT used for the UE rate.

How did you skip past all the parts explaining tha UI data is not used?

Here's what I said earlier
There's no way I would trust those numbers. The collection of data. is not accurate. The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.
How the Government Measures Unemployment

What does this say from the BLS?

What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits

This from the BLS

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:
Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits

Means this from my comment

The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.

 

[edthecynic]

I am puzzled, do you take medication? What I posted was the information how they come up with the numbers.

One more time from my source that you partially used. this is the part you left out.

What it's doing is saying that's the people who are not counted as unemployed.

Can someone else help this stupid son of a bitch?

NO, you mindless ignorant boob, it is saying they don't count as INSURED unemployed!!!!!!!! They still count as unemployed in the U-3 through U-6 figures.
I know CON$ pretend to be stupid so they can lie without feeling any shame in lying, but you are ridiculous!!!

OK assshat lets review before we go any further This is what I said earlier



You said





Then I posted this
And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits


And you still disagree with that and now you agree with what I said earlier which was this.





This statement

The fact that when a person who does not go back to work and has stop receiving unemployed checks are no longer counter as unemployed.

is correct with this from the BLS

What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits

exhausted means to run out. Do you understand?

And you always ignore this part from your very own link:

Where do the statistics come from?

Early each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor announces the total number of employed and unemployed persons in the United States for the previous month, along with many characteristics of such persons. These figures, particularly the unemployment rate—which tells you the percent of the labor force that is unemployed—receive wide coverage in the media.
Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.
Other people think that the Government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long. Besides, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker come to their homes every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.)

 

[IndependntLogic]

Most businesses have fourth quarter tax bills due in January. There is also the slowdown from northern weather, consumer pullback from holiday spending and higher fuel prices. Common sense tells you there should be more unemployment, not less. This is why I feel the numbers are suspect and will wait for the corrections.

If there is this grand recovery, then it happened post bailout monies impact and those who touted the virtues of that need to reassess.

Since there should be more unemployment, as you say, doesn't that make the new numbers even more impressive by bucking an established trend?

It makes the numbers more suspect. If true, yes it is good news. Reality doesn't seem to jive with the numbers though.

Do you have direct experience or knowledge that convinces you our economy is not improving?

I am absolutely convinced it IS getting better and on a national scale.

 

[edthecynic]

Is that lying son of a bitch here? he needs help he's crying out for it. He comes to a thread with an off topic subject and you GT don't say anything about him doing that, but you attack me. Sounds like you a liberal defending another liberal.
Now, Listen up shit stain, when I am wrong I admit I have several times.

No, I've seen you obstainant about admitting when you're wrong dozens of times. You're an ass hole, seriously. Look at ya.

I have in the past admitted I was wrong, If you think I haven't start a thread in the flame zone showing where I was wrong and did not admit to it. If not move along and you and conservative need to stop trying to derail this thread.

You have been wrong in this very thread, and you won't admit it, you just play dumb!!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Remember that bigreb, when confronted with his lies about the judge's ruling in GA on BHO eligibility, simply kept on lying and lying and lying until he finally caved. Caved by admitting fail in another thread than the one that counted.

He will not admit he is wrong here. That is not his modus operandi. He will continue to obfuscate and lie, then wonder why BHO and his folks are gaining leverage on Romney and the GOP. If the GOP loses this year, we lose because of folks like bigreb.

 

[edthecynic]

Most businesses have fourth quarter tax bills due in January. There is also the slowdown from northern weather, consumer pullback from holiday spending and higher fuel prices. Common sense tells you there should be more unemployment, not less. This is why I feel the numbers are suspect and will wait for the corrections.

If there is this grand recovery, then it happened post bailout monies impact and those who touted the virtues of that need to reassess.

Since there should be more unemployment, as you say, doesn't that make the new numbers even more impressive by bucking an established trend?

It makes the numbers more suspect. If true, yes it is good news. Reality doesn't seem to jive with the numbers though.

Either that or "common sense" is not quite so sensible!

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
- Albert Einstein

 

[bigrebnc1775]

NO, you mindless ignorant boob, it is saying they don't count as INSURED unemployed!!!!!!!! They still count as unemployed in the U-3 through U-6 figures.
I know CON$ pretend to be stupid so they can lie without feeling any shame in lying, but you are ridiculous!!!

OK assshat lets review before we go any further This is what I said earlier



You said





Then I posted this
And you're a liar
What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits


And you still disagree with that and now you agree with what I said earlier which was this.





This statement
is correct with this from the BLS

What do the unemployment insurance (UI) figures measure?

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits
Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force)
Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker discharged for misconduct on the job
Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits

exhausted means to run out. Do you understand?

And you always ignore this part from your very own link:

Where do the statistics come from?

Early each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor announces the total number of employed and unemployed persons in the United States for the previous month, along with many characteristics of such persons. These figures, particularly the unemployment rate—which tells you the percent of the labor force that is unemployed—receive wide coverage in the media.
Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.
Other people think that the Government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long. Besides, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker come to their homes every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.
Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. For instance, beginning in 1994, the CPS estimates reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey. (For more information on the CPS redesign, see Chapter 1, "Labor Force Data Derived from the Current Population Survey," in the BLS Handbook of Methods.)
There are about 60,000 households in the sample for this survey. This translates into approximately 110,000 individuals, a large sample compared to public opinion surveys which usually cover fewer than 2,000 people. The CPS sample is selected so as to be representative of the entire population of the United States. In order to select the sample, all of the counties and county-equivalent cities in the country first are grouped into 2,025 geographic areas (sampling units). The Census Bureau then designs and selects a sample consisting of 824 of these geographic areas to represent each State and the District of Columbia. The sample is a State-based design and reflects urban and rural areas, different types of industrial and farming areas, and the major geographic divisions of each State. (For a detailed explanation of CPS sampling methodology, see Chapter 1, of the BLS Handbook of Methods.)

Listen up idiot When a person no longer receives an unemployment check regardless if they go back to work or not they are no longer counted as unemployed which when that happens the unemployment numbers drop REGARDLESS IF THEY GO BACK TO WORK OR NEVER GET A JOB THEY ARE NO LONGER COUNTED AS UNEMPLOYED.

That is not my rules that the BOL's rules.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Remember that bigreb, when confronted with his lies about the judge's ruling in GA on BHO eligibility, simply kept on lying and lying and lying until he finally caved. Caved by admitting fail in another thread than the one that counted.

He will not admit he is wrong here. That is not his modus operandi. He will continue to obfuscate and lie, then wonder why BHO and his folks are gaining leverage on Romney and the GOP. If the GOP loses this year, we lose because of folks like bigreb.

more deflection from the troll on a subject that has been addressed who was busted for lying in this thread.?
To verify see the thread in the flame zone jake has lost it.