Was Flynn entrapped?

[jc456]

How many years you think Flynn gets? Cohen got 3.

Probably no jail time at all if the plea deal holds up.

I wonder how all of Flynn's defenders are going to react if it turns out that he ended up providing testimony against Trump?

The judge is going to throw out the charges, so there won't be any jail time, fool.

Loser

I love it when a conservative wins.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You will still be the fool.

When someone like you calls me a fool...I know I'm doing something right.

water off a duck's ass moron.

You are nothing

And that makes you less than nothing. The judge isn't very happy that Mueller didn't comply and turn over ALL documents. This case is getting thrown out and then I wouldn't be surprised to see Flynn sue Mueller into oblivion.

Loser

 

[jc456]

You will still be the fool.

When someone like you calls me a fool...I know I'm doing something right.

water off a duck's ass moron.

You are nothing

And that makes you less than nothing. The judge isn't very happy that Mueller didn't comply and turn over ALL documents. This case is getting thrown out and then I wouldn't be surprised to see Flynn sue Mueller into oblivion.

Loser

I love it when a conservative wins.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Checking Robert Mueller
KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL DECEMBER 13, 2018

Robert Mueller has operated for 19 months as a law unto himself, reminding us of the awesome and destructive powers of special counsels. About the only possible check on Mr. Mueller is a judge who is wise to the tricks of prosecutors and investigators. Good news: That’s what we got this week.

Former national security adviser Mike Flynn a year ago pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. Mr. Flynn’s defense team this week filed a sentencing memo to Judge Emmet Sullivan that contained explosive new information about the Flynn-FBI meeting in January 2017.

It was arranged by then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who personally called Mr. Flynn on other business, then suggested he sit down with two agents to clear up the Russia question. Mr. McCabe urged Mr. Flynn to conduct the interview with no lawyer present—to make things easier.

The agents (including the infamous Peter Strzok) showed up within two hours. They had already decided not to inform Mr. Flynn that they had transcripts of his conversations or give him the standard warning against lying to the FBI. They wanted him “relaxed” and “unguarded.” Former Director James Comey this weekend bragged on MSNBC that he would never have “gotten away” with such a move in a more “organized” administration.

The whole thing stinks of entrapment, though the curious question was how the Flynn defense team got the details. The court filing refers to a McCabe memo written the day of the 2017 meeting, as well as an FBI summary—known as a 302—of the Flynn interview. These are among documents congressional Republicans have been fighting to obtain for more than a year, only to be stonewalled by the Justice Department. Now we know why the department didn’t want them public.

They have come to light thanks to a man who knows well how men like Messrs. Mueller and Comey operate: Judge Sullivan. He sits on the U.S. District Court in the District of Columbia, and as he wrote for the Journal last year, he got a “wake-up call” in 2008 while overseeing the trial of then-Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska. Judge Sullivan ultimately assigned a lawyer to investigate Justice Department misconduct.

The investigator’s report found prosecutors had engaged in deliberate and repeated ethical violations, withholding key evidence from the defense. It also excoriated the FBI for failing to write up 302s and for omitting key facts from those it did write. The head of the FBI was Mr. Mueller.

Judge Sullivan has since made it his practice to begin every case with a Brady order, which reminds prosecutors of their constitutional obligation to provide the defense with any exculpatory evidence. On Dec. 12, 2017, days after being assigned the Flynn case, Judge Sullivan issued such an order, instructing Mr. Mueller’s team to turn over “any evidence in its possession that is favorable to defendant and material either to defendant’s guilt or punishment.” Had any other judge drawn the case, we likely would never have seen these details of the FBI’s behavior.

It’s clear that something has concerned the judge—who likely sees obvious parallels to the Stevens case. The media was predicting a quick ruling in the Flynn case. Instead, Judge Sullivan issued new orders Wednesday, demanding to see for himself the McCabe memo and the Flynn 302. He also ordered the special counsel to hand over by Friday any other documents relevant to the Flynn-FBI meeting.

Given his history with the FBI, the judge may also have some questions about the curious date on the Flynn 302—Aug. 22, 2017, seven months after the interview. Texts from Mr. Strzok and testimony from Mr. Comey both suggest the 302 was written long before then. Was the 302 edited in the interim? If so, by whom, and at whose direction? FBI officials initially testified to Congress that the agents did not think Mr. Flynn had lied.

Judges have the ability to reject plea deals and require a prosecutor to make a case at trial. The criminal-justice system isn’t only about holding defendants accountable; trials also provide oversight of investigators and their tactics. And judges are not obliged to follow prosecutors’ sentencing recommendations.

No one knows how Judge Sullivan will rule. His reputation is for being no-nonsense, a straight shooter, an advocate of government transparency. Whatever the outcome, he has done the nation a favor by using his Brady order to hold prosecutors to some account and allow the country a glimpse at how federal law enforcement operates. Which is the very least the country can expect.

Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

It is hard not to come to the conclusion that two different forms of justice exist in this country, one for democrats and another for their adversaries. Specifically anyone with ties to Trump.

Oh, and did you know that the iphones issued to Strozk and Page by the SCO were determined BY SOMEONE IN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE to contain ‘No substantive texts, notes or reminders', so the phones were wiped clean and restored to factory settings, meaning anything on them was gone. That was done after both of them were removed from the SCO investigation back in the summer of 2017, but given that many within Mueller's organization were friends/supporters/associates/donors to the Clintons, how much credence should we give to those determinations?

We don't know what information was summarily destroyed, but the whole process stinks to high heaven. Maybe it's all coincidental and innocent of wrong-doing, no proof that it wasn't because once again any possible incrimination evidence has been deleted. You know, after awhile a patttern kind of emerges.

The OIG was able to recover more than 19,000 texts between Strozk and Page on their old government-issued Samsung Galaxy S5 devices that had been lost due to the agency’s “collection tool failure.” The OIG did not include the content of these texts in the report. I suspect at some point maybe we'll find out more about what really happened.

DOJ Destroyed Missing Strzok/Page Texts Before IG Reviewed Them

Every conviction and/or plea has been approved by a Federal Judge. Every defendant has had legal representation. Every single filing, action, arrest, charge has been covered by media in detail. The conspiracy reality you want to believe does not exist.


Sorry.

Flynn did not have legal representation when he was interrogated by Strzok.

By his own choice.

 

[jc456]

Going to be fun watching these libtards cry and scream should this case get tossed (as looks likely seeing as this judge won't tolerate Mueller's bullshit). Judge seems to think there's something rotten here, and Mueller will have his feet put to the fire over it. Or perhaps he should have told Comey to STFU and not go on national television bragging about how they set Flynn up. Finished by your own words. Period.

Going to be fun watching you Trumpkins cry and scream when Flynn is sentenced for lying to the FBI.

Even your Dear Leader Lying Donald Trump admitted Flynn lied to the FBI

President Trump tweeted Saturday that he “had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI,” adding, “it is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!”

Uh oh! Looks like the Mule didn't turn over all the documents he was ORDERED to to the judge. Bye bye any hopes of getting Flynn. Seems the documents show hat they did indeed lie to Flynn and entrap him. Game, set, match. You lose. Again.

And by 'entrapping' Flynn......you mean they asked him questions. Exactly they like said they were going to do.

I don't think 'entrapment' means what you think it means.

Try reading. It helps you understand what's going on. The documents confirm that those agents LIED to Flynn and Mueller is trying to cover it up. And failing. The judge is not happy and Flynn's charges look like hey're going away. Flynn will be a rich man after he wipes out Mueller.

Derp....

de derp! to you

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You're 'sure', huh?

Yep.

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Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

you're not after liars, you're after trump via flynn.

this is what makes this shit so annoying. if you were after LIARS then you'd be just as mad at so many others. selective anger, so emo.

Great.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You're 'sure', huh?

Yep.

.

Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

nobody does, including hitlery.

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

 

[iceberg]

Yep.

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Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

you're not after liars, you're after trump via flynn.

this is what makes this shit so annoying. if you were after LIARS then you'd be just as mad at so many others. selective anger, so emo.

Great.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

and you don't have to be selectively angry only when it suits you emotionally.

what can i say? people do what they do.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

you're not after liars, you're after trump via flynn.

this is what makes this shit so annoying. if you were after LIARS then you'd be just as mad at so many others. selective anger, so emo.

Great.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

and you don't have to be selectively angry only when it suits you emotionally.

what can i say? people do what they do.

I'm not angry in the least.

 

[jc456]

Yep.

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Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

nobody does, including hitlery.

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

neither is flynn. he took a plea. not sure why. no one does, the best lawyers on the planet can't figure out why.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

nobody does, including hitlery.

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

neither is flynn. he took a plea.

That means he's convicted, dope.

 

[jc456]

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

nobody does, including hitlery.

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

neither is flynn. he took a plea.

That means he's convicted, dope.

of what? he is still out right? so, what's he done? nothing different than hitlery as I already told you. why do you care about him and not hitlery exactly?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Flynn didn't have to lie.

nobody does, including hitlery.

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

neither is flynn. he took a plea.

That means he's convicted, dope.

of what? he is still out right? so, what's he done? nothing different than hitlery as I already told you. why do you care about him and not hitlery exactly?

Flynn is going to federal prison.

 

[jc456]

nobody does, including hitlery.

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

neither is flynn. he took a plea.

That means he's convicted, dope.

of what? he is still out right? so, what's he done? nothing different than hitlery as I already told you. why do you care about him and not hitlery exactly?

Flynn is going to federal prison.

when? he's still out and will be for at least the next six months.

Again, why are you worried about his lies and not hitlery's?

Are you a hypocrite?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

neither is flynn. he took a plea.

That means he's convicted, dope.

of what? he is still out right? so, what's he done? nothing different than hitlery as I already told you. why do you care about him and not hitlery exactly?

Flynn is going to federal prison.

when? he's still out and will be for at least the next six months.

Again, why are you worried about his lies and not hitlery's?

Why would I be? Has she been charged?

 

[Skylar]

Flynn didn't have to lie.

nobody does, including hitlery.

Great.

She's not convicted of federal felonies.

neither is flynn. he took a plea.

That means he's convicted, dope.

of what? he is still out right? so, what's he done? nothing different than hitlery as I already told you. why do you care about him and not hitlery exactly?

Read his plea agreement":

Michael Flynn Plea Agreement Documents

Now you show us Hillary's plea agreement. If its nothing different than Hillary as you claim, then it should be remarkably easy for you to find.

If however, you're again talking out of your ass about topics you know nothing about......then it may be a little harder.

 

[Skylar]

You're 'sure', huh?

Yep.

.

Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

Flynn didn't have to lie.

you're not after liars, you're after trump via flynn.

this is what makes this shit so annoying. if you were after LIARS then you'd be just as mad at so many others. selective anger, so emo.

So at this point you don't even deny that Flynn lied to federal investigators.

Well, that's progress I suppose.

 

[Skylar]

Or.....you don't now what the hell you're talking about. And are actively ignoring anything that contradicts what you want to believe.

I'll go with Flynn on Flynn's crimes over you citing your imagination.

As would everyone with 'half a brain cell'

You're far too generous if you think Skylar has even half brain cell.

Smiling......apparently that's all it takes to decimate all the silly arguments this thread could produce. With Flynn's own lawyers dismantling the entire premise of the thread today in court.

Sullivan immediately took aim at the notion of entrapment during Flynn’s sentencing hearing, saying he wondered if Flynn had really accepted responsibility for his crime, according to reporters in the courthouse. Responding to questions from Sullivan, Flynn said he knew that lying to the FBI was illegal and his lawyer said he wasn’t contending that Flynn needed to be reminded of that, nor that he needed to have a lawyer present, or that Flynn “was entrapped by the FBI.” Flynn reportedly affirmed several times that he was guilty of lying to the FBI.

In court, Mike Flynn walked back the suggestion he was tricked by the FBI

You guys just don't get how little effort it takes to just obliterate the silly stories you tell each other.

Flynn's lawyers did whatever it took to keep Flynn from going to prison and to prevent further financial hemorrhaging. What they said proved nothing about whether Flynn was entrapped, which he clearly was. Flynn wasn't about to say he was entrapped because that would lead to the end of his plea bargain.

Hmmm Flynn specifically said he was not entrapped.
The judge didn't say he was entrapped- Judge Sullivan specifically contradicted everything you predicted he would do.

Remember Flynn was 'entrapped'- by his repeating the same lie to the FBI that he told the American people and the Vice President.

Expecting honesty from a Trump official clearly is considered entrapment by the Trumpkins.

Yeah. Just like Beria and the Red Guard forced people to recant their beliefs.

And who, pray tell, says Flynn was forced to do anything?

There's you, citing your imagination. And....who?

Not Flynn. Not Flynn's lawyers. Not the judge. Not the prosecutors.

Who?

 

[Skylar]

I'm referring to your crack about Flynn "trying any more stunts," jackass.

I'm amazed that you still post after thoroughly embarrassing yourself for days over Flynn etc.

Its quite the doozy. Brit made one blunder after another related to Miranda...insisting that none of Flynn's statements were admissable because he hadn't been read his Miranda rights before questioning. (Miranda rights are read after an arrest. Flynn wasn't arrested)

Brit has laughably told us that Flynn was 'entrapped'. (Flynn's own lawyers have admitted Flynn wasn't.)

Brit has insisted that Flynn's 5th amendment rights were violated. (The 5th amendment only applies to the TRUTH. You can't lie and use 5th amendment rights.)

Brit has insisted that the plea agreement isn't evidence. (In the Defendant's Acceptance Flynn stipulates under penalty of perjury that the Statements of Offense are correct.)

Brit has insisted the plea deal will be thrown out. (Flynn's lawyers desperately scrambled today to preserve it.)

Brit's ignorance on this topic is championship level. It requires real effort and skill to be wrong so perfectly.

Those are all mischaracterizations of what I said, or they are correct.

What I said is that a plea bargain cannot be used as evidence in another case. Calling it evidnece in Flynn's case is a no-op. If you're giving a plea bargain, no evidence is required. That's precisely why Mueller wants the plea bargain. That's like saying your guilty plea can be used in your guilty plea. Of course, you postulated that idiocy as well.

Again, my little purveryor of meaningless pseudo-legal nonsense.....Flynn's admission of guilt in his plea agreement is evidence of his guilt.

Your bizarre insistence that it isn't is just yet another lovely demonstration that you have no idea what you're talking about.

And as an aside, what's the point of you making up pseudo legal nonsense that isn't recognized by any court? Is it just self soothing?

 

[deanrd]

We'll see what the judge has to say about it after he reviews the memos, notes and 302s.

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Well, this is what the judge said after reviewing the memos, notes and 302s.

All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out."

Sullivan says he could impose a sentence of incarceration.

"I am not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense," Sullivan said, straining his voice and taking a brief pause. "Yes, your honor," Flynn said, though he was not asked a question.

Michael Flynn sentencing - CNNPolitics

Demonstrating elegantly what the 'legal analysis' of a truck driver is worth.

And now as they say, the rest of the story. The prosecution corrected the judge, that Flynn was not a foreign agent of Turkey while serving as the National Security Advisor. The the judge APOLOGIZED to Flynn for his inaccuracy. Damn you're not even a good propagandist.

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Speaking of not being a good propagandist- here is what you said originally their d

deception that they just wanted to have a low key conversation. They intentionally withheld it was an evidentiary interview where Flynn should have had a lawyer. I don't think judge Sullivan will look favorably on that.

Instead of course what Judge Sullivan did was express his disgust with Michael Flynn's criminal actions.

Judge Emmet Sullivan of the US District Court for the District of Columbia said he was “not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense.”

“I want to be frank with you, this crime is very serious,” Sullivan said. “Not only did you lie to the FBI, you lied to senior officials in the incoming administration.”

And that is of course what Flynn did.
Flynn lied.
Flynn broke the law when he lied again to the FBI
So of course you blame the FBI.

Here is how easily Flynn could have avoided breaking the law- he could have told the truth.

But telling the truth is not something that comes naturally to the Trump administration.

What I said about Sullivan was totally accurate, he offered Flynn an opportunity to withdraw his plea multiple times. My question is who is Flynn still protecting, perhaps his son?

Offering to allow Flynn to withdraw his plea isn't the same as dropping the charges, which the snowflakes are implying. Withdrawing his plea means he's right back where he started, spending money hand over fist to defend himself. The reason he agreed to the plea in the first place was to end that hemorrhage of his money.

Some might think he regained his patriotism.