What would a socialist America look like?

[WinterBorn]

No, it is not. Unemployment compensation is paid through additional payroll taxes that businesses pay. So it increases their expenses.

Yes, it is. It doesn't need to payed the way it is now. A general tax is simpler with a simpler regime.

So all you want to do is change who is eligible for UC, how it is paid for, how long you can get it, and how the determination is made for who gets it. Is that all? Just those few "minor" changes? Oh, and to make sure the means test is never applied to those who draw a check, no matter how long the are on the dole. Just that little bit of "adjustment"?

Wouldn't it be simpler to campaign to remove the means testing from welfare?

no; means testing has a purpose. Unemployment compensation is not that purpose.

And what is that purpose?

to understand where to concentrate wealth for the greatest effect.

Wrong. It is to prevent those who can support themselves from leeching off the programs supported by tax payers.

 

[WinterBorn]

Technically, you could quit your job at age 66, get your pensions, get your social security and still make $15 an hour for the rest of your life. That would be a sweet deal for me, my wife and I could retire today, get my pension, start living off off my IRA and 401K and the unemployment, then in a few years my social security would kickin.

How this guy thinks his idea is sustainable is beyond me.

I understand economics not right wing fantasy.

You understand nothing except your fantasies of being able to draw a check and still live in your parent's basement.

the law is the law. why deny and disparage equal protection of the law and allege you are not being frivolous.

Only one post in the thread is made in frivolity. And I am not denying or disparaging equal protection under the law. I am protecting those who tried to keep working and earning their keep. And so is UC.

The law is employment at the will of either party. A federal doctrine and State laws claim this.

What law is repugnant to State law and a federal doctrine?

Yes, employment is at the will of either party. But the unemployment compensation is only for those who tried to keep working and supporting themselves properly.

 

[danielpalos]

I understand economics not right wing fantasy.

You understand nothing except your fantasies of being able to draw a check and still live in your parent's basement.

the law is the law. why deny and disparage equal protection of the law and allege you are not being frivolous.

Only one post in the thread is made in frivolity. And I am not denying or disparaging equal protection under the law. I am protecting those who tried to keep working and earning their keep. And so is UC.

The law is employment at the will of either party. A federal doctrine and State laws claim this.

What law is repugnant to State law and a federal doctrine?

Yes, employment is at the will of either party. But the unemployment compensation is only for those who tried to keep working and supporting themselves properly.

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The rich are the only people that need to be taxed more. We have fallen behind the rest of the world the last 35 years. As well as being the victim of incredible GOP incompetence in foreign policy and security and finances for crying out loud. And we certainly would not get all those benefits at once and don't think they cost that much.

Ask me how I know you're not well-off?

What's wrong with a flat tax rate for everyone? Too fair for you, or what?

There's a reason why tax rates should be progressive, proven over the last hundred years.you end up with a bloated Rich class rolling in money and laughing all the way to the bank, and there is not enough money to invest in the country and you have infrastructure and the non Rich falling apart. Yes I know you are a brainwashed functional moron...

Ask me how I know you're jealous of people that have more money than you. Ask me how I know you're a foreign leftist shill who isn't American?

Because you're a brainwashed conspiracy Nut Job? Maybe I'm happily retired and I don't like that our country is the most unjust of any modern country thanks to the scumbag GOP and brainwashed dupes like you. I'll meet you at the magnolia Beach saltwater saloon someday and show you what an idiot you are but you people never learn.

Your shill check will not fund that, faggot.

 

[WinterBorn]

You understand nothing except your fantasies of being able to draw a check and still live in your parent's basement.

the law is the law. why deny and disparage equal protection of the law and allege you are not being frivolous.

Only one post in the thread is made in frivolity. And I am not denying or disparaging equal protection under the law. I am protecting those who tried to keep working and earning their keep. And so is UC.

The law is employment at the will of either party. A federal doctrine and State laws claim this.

What law is repugnant to State law and a federal doctrine?

Yes, employment is at the will of either party. But the unemployment compensation is only for those who tried to keep working and supporting themselves properly.

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

Green cheese can be tasty.

 

[francoHFW]

The rich are the only people that need to be taxed more. We have fallen behind the rest of the world the last 35 years. As well as being the victim of incredible GOP incompetence in foreign policy and security and finances for crying out loud. And we certainly would not get all those benefits at once and don't think they cost that much.

Ask me how I know you're not well-off?

What's wrong with a flat tax rate for everyone? Too fair for you, or what?

There's a reason why tax rates should be progressive, proven over the last hundred years.you end up with a bloated Rich class rolling in money and laughing all the way to the bank, and there is not enough money to invest in the country and you have infrastructure and the non Rich falling apart. Yes I know you are a brainwashed functional moron...

Ask me how I know you're jealous of people that have more money than you. Ask me how I know you're a foreign leftist shill who isn't American?

Because you're a brainwashed conspiracy Nut Job? Maybe I'm happily retired and I don't like that our country is the most unjust of any modern country thanks to the scumbag GOP and brainwashed dupes like you. I'll meet you at the magnolia Beach saltwater saloon someday and show you what an idiot you are but you people never learn.

Your shill check will not fund that, faggot.

Enjoy hell bigot LOL

 

[danielpalos]

the law is the law. why deny and disparage equal protection of the law and allege you are not being frivolous.

Only one post in the thread is made in frivolity. And I am not denying or disparaging equal protection under the law. I am protecting those who tried to keep working and earning their keep. And so is UC.

The law is employment at the will of either party. A federal doctrine and State laws claim this.

What law is repugnant to State law and a federal doctrine?

Yes, employment is at the will of either party. But the unemployment compensation is only for those who tried to keep working and supporting themselves properly.

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

Green cheese can be tasty.

thank you for proving my point.

 

[WinterBorn]

Only one post in the thread is made in frivolity. And I am not denying or disparaging equal protection under the law. I am protecting those who tried to keep working and earning their keep. And so is UC.

The law is employment at the will of either party. A federal doctrine and State laws claim this.

What law is repugnant to State law and a federal doctrine?

Yes, employment is at the will of either party. But the unemployment compensation is only for those who tried to keep working and supporting themselves properly.

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

Green cheese can be tasty.

thank you for proving my point.

Hey, your nonsensical posts were answered with nonsense. Seems right to me. Nothing about frivolity at the expense of the poor though.

You haven't had a point proven since you walked away from the pencil sharpener.

 

[danielpalos]

The law is employment at the will of either party. A federal doctrine and State laws claim this.

What law is repugnant to State law and a federal doctrine?

Yes, employment is at the will of either party. But the unemployment compensation is only for those who tried to keep working and supporting themselves properly.

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

Green cheese can be tasty.

thank you for proving my point.

Hey, your nonsensical posts were answered with nonsense. Seems right to me. Nothing about frivolity at the expense of the poor though.

You haven't had a point proven since you walked away from the pencil sharpener.

your whole story is frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

I, for one, am grateful for our doctrine of separation of powers.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes, employment is at the will of either party. But the unemployment compensation is only for those who tried to keep working and supporting themselves properly.

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

Green cheese can be tasty.

thank you for proving my point.

Hey, your nonsensical posts were answered with nonsense. Seems right to me. Nothing about frivolity at the expense of the poor though.

You haven't had a point proven since you walked away from the pencil sharpener.

your whole story is frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

I, for one, am grateful for our doctrine of separation of powers.

More nonsensical posts.

You don't answer questions. You don't give links to the "facts" you claim. You lie. And you continue to argue things no one disagrees with.

And you have the gall to talk about why you don't take someone else seriously? too funny.

 

[Pete7469]

Disappointing to see Will refusing to see the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism advocated by many Democrats.

It's an important discussion, but intellectual honesty would be required.

If you were being intellectually honest, you would admit that discussing the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism would be like discussing how either the lumpy light brown pile of turds is better than the sloppy wad of dark brown turds is a better fertilizer.

Marxist dogma, in all it's forms and stupid theories is a soft steaming pile of bullshit.

Period.

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[Pete7469]

Do you mean the part about Britain's Labour Party diluting its meaning? I saw that, but the rest of the piece describes an environment that is closer to traditional socialism.

I may have missed something - was that it?
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9th Grade history.

 

[Flash]

We would certainly have a lot of happy Negroes and Moon Bats getting their free stuff until the money that was made under Capitalism ran out. Then everybody would be fucked.

 

[Pete7469]

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

They really are that stupid folks.

I mean the poor have all the fuckin money right? Steal from them and party!!!

Fucking imbeciles.


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[Pete7469]

We would certainly have a lot of happy Negroes and Moon Bats getting their free stuff until the money that was made under Capitalism ran out. Then everybody would be fucked.

BINGO!!!!

That's the objective. As long as you're the political whore doing the fucking, you not only get pleasured but you increase your income.

 

[Pete7469]

your whole story is frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

I, for one, am grateful for our doctrine of separation of powers.

You are the reason I for one appreciate abortion.

It's sad that it failed in your case and you're stuck here with us proles stealing our oxygen.

You ought to neutralize your carbon footprint and move on to better places.

Imbecile.


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[danielpalos]

the right wing is merely frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

Green cheese can be tasty.

thank you for proving my point.

Hey, your nonsensical posts were answered with nonsense. Seems right to me. Nothing about frivolity at the expense of the poor though.

You haven't had a point proven since you walked away from the pencil sharpener.

your whole story is frivolous at the Expense of the Poor.

I, for one, am grateful for our doctrine of separation of powers.

More nonsensical posts.

You don't answer questions. You don't give links to the "facts" you claim. You lie. And you continue to argue things no one disagrees with.

And you have the gall to talk about why you don't take someone else seriously? too funny.

The legal concept of employment at will enables the opportunity to solve simple poverty via market friendly means. Correcting for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States is as simple as it gets.

 

[Mac1958]

Disappointing to see Will refusing to see the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism advocated by many Democrats.

It's an important discussion, but intellectual honesty would be required.

If you were being intellectually honest, you would admit that discussing the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism would be like discussing how either the lumpy light brown pile of turds is better than the sloppy wad of dark brown turds is a better fertilizer.

Marxist dogma, in all it's forms and stupid theories is a soft steaming pile of bullshit.

Period.

.

Government involvement in a nation's economic system lies on a continuum. It's not either/or.
.

 

[dblack]

Disappointing to see Will refusing to see the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism advocated by many Democrats.

It's an important discussion, but intellectual honesty would be required.

If you were being intellectually honest, you would admit that discussing the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism would be like discussing how either the lumpy light brown pile of turds is better than the sloppy wad of dark brown turds is a better fertilizer.

Marxist dogma, in all it's forms and stupid theories is a soft steaming pile of bullshit.

Period.

.

Government involvement in a nation's economic system lies on a continuum. It's not either/or.
.

I don't buy that. We can draw a distinction between laws and regulation that inadvertently impact the economy and those where interfering with the economy is the point. We can (and should) ban the latter.

 

[Mac1958]

Disappointing to see Will refusing to see the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism advocated by many Democrats.

It's an important discussion, but intellectual honesty would be required.

If you were being intellectually honest, you would admit that discussing the difference between real socialism and the Euro-socialism would be like discussing how either the lumpy light brown pile of turds is better than the sloppy wad of dark brown turds is a better fertilizer.

Marxist dogma, in all it's forms and stupid theories is a soft steaming pile of bullshit.

Period.

.

Government involvement in a nation's economic system lies on a continuum. It's not either/or.
.

I don't buy that. We can draw a distinction between laws and regulation that inadvertently impact the economy and those where interfering with the economy is the point. We can (and should) ban the latter.

Let's say the top individual rate is 35% and the government is spending at 37% of GDP.

Let's say we (a) increased the top rate to 60% and the spending to 65%.
OR....
Let's say we (b) decreased the top rate to 25% and the spending to 28%.

(a) would be "more" socialism, (b) would be "less".

We can play with semantics all day long, but Venezuela is "more" socialism than Great Britain.
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