What would happen to the economy if minimum wages are raised?

[danielpalos]

Because there won't be enough money to endlessly give to a large number of slackers who just want to get paid for doing nothing. Means testing for welfare and unemployment helps to prevent that scenario from developing.

yes, worker participation and wages keep dropping as liberalism cripples more and more people. There never has been a liberal in human history who didn't want always more welfare without end. As welfare cripples it creates the need for more liberals and more welfare. Its the perfect formula for starving 120 million to death as Stalin and Mao did in the name of helping.

only capital has to work under any form of capitalism; only the right wing, never gets it.

Where do you think the capital comes from in the first place?

a printing press at an official Mint.

IOW, fake money that has no intrinsic value and can thus be completely devalued in an instant. If socialism actually could function with that, there would be no poverty. There is, however, and millions have starved under socialism precisely because there was no value in what they were paid.

did you miss, quantitative easing for the rich? how much inflation happened.

capital Must circulate under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[danielpalos]

It is unemployment compensation, to compensate for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, as a capital gain in civil liberty.

The fact is, you are welcome to quit for fourteen dollars an hour under a full employment scenario, where unemployment compensation pays out, simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States; in order to ensure, full employment of resources in our capital economy.

How will you be worse off?

Because there won't be enough money to endlessly give to a large number of slackers who just want to get paid for doing nothing. Means testing for welfare and unemployment helps to prevent that scenario from developing.

You give yourself away; that is why No One, takes the right wing seriously about economics. A positive multiplier effect grows the size of the pie to cover costs.

You are deliberately ignoring reality. More slackers combined with fewer producers means a lower multiplier effect. This is why socialism always kills the goose that lays the golden eggs, and that has been proven multiple times over the last 100 or so years.

no dear; capitalism doesn't simply cease to exist because of your right wing fantasy. only capital has work under Any form of Capitalism. It is why we merely need to ensure capital circulates in our economy like an oil pump.

Millions starved under socialism during the last century, and many continue to do so today. You are ignoring reality.

that reality is just lousy management. Capitalism died in 1929, socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. Only the right wing, never gets it.

All you keep proving, is that you shouldn't be taken seriously about economics.

The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World; the rich can even keep their multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

 

[hadit]

yes, worker participation and wages keep dropping as liberalism cripples more and more people. There never has been a liberal in human history who didn't want always more welfare without end. As welfare cripples it creates the need for more liberals and more welfare. Its the perfect formula for starving 120 million to death as Stalin and Mao did in the name of helping.

only capital has to work under any form of capitalism; only the right wing, never gets it.

Where do you think the capital comes from in the first place?

a printing press at an official Mint.

IOW, fake money that has no intrinsic value and can thus be completely devalued in an instant. If socialism actually could function with that, there would be no poverty. There is, however, and millions have starved under socialism precisely because there was no value in what they were paid.

did you miss, quantitative easing for the rich? how much inflation happened.

capital Must circulate under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right wing, never gets it.

You're still ignoring reality and generating vague socialist phrases. Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

 

[danielpalos]

only capital has to work under any form of capitalism; only the right wing, never gets it.

Where do you think the capital comes from in the first place?

a printing press at an official Mint.

IOW, fake money that has no intrinsic value and can thus be completely devalued in an instant. If socialism actually could function with that, there would be no poverty. There is, however, and millions have starved under socialism precisely because there was no value in what they were paid.

did you miss, quantitative easing for the rich? how much inflation happened.

capital Must circulate under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right wing, never gets it.

You're still ignoring reality and generating vague socialist phrases. Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

Capitalism kills everyday as well, merely through a lack of it under Any form of Capitalism.

The US doesn't have true capitalism, because that failed in 1929.

 

[hadit]

Because there won't be enough money to endlessly give to a large number of slackers who just want to get paid for doing nothing. Means testing for welfare and unemployment helps to prevent that scenario from developing.

You give yourself away; that is why No One, takes the right wing seriously about economics. A positive multiplier effect grows the size of the pie to cover costs.

You are deliberately ignoring reality. More slackers combined with fewer producers means a lower multiplier effect. This is why socialism always kills the goose that lays the golden eggs, and that has been proven multiple times over the last 100 or so years.

no dear; capitalism doesn't simply cease to exist because of your right wing fantasy. only capital has work under Any form of Capitalism. It is why we merely need to ensure capital circulates in our economy like an oil pump.

Millions starved under socialism during the last century, and many continue to do so today. You are ignoring reality.

that reality is just lousy management. Capitalism died in 1929, socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. Only the right wing, never gets it.

All you keep proving, is that you shouldn't be taken seriously about economics.

Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

 

[hadit]

Where do you think the capital comes from in the first place?

a printing press at an official Mint.

IOW, fake money that has no intrinsic value and can thus be completely devalued in an instant. If socialism actually could function with that, there would be no poverty. There is, however, and millions have starved under socialism precisely because there was no value in what they were paid.

did you miss, quantitative easing for the rich? how much inflation happened.

capital Must circulate under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right wing, never gets it.

You're still ignoring reality and generating vague socialist phrases. Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

Capitalism kills everyday as well, merely through a lack of it under Any form of Capitalism.

The US doesn't have true capitalism, because that failed in 1929.

Socialism has killed more people through lack of basic necessities than has Capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

You give yourself away; that is why No One, takes the right wing seriously about economics. A positive multiplier effect grows the size of the pie to cover costs.

You are deliberately ignoring reality. More slackers combined with fewer producers means a lower multiplier effect. This is why socialism always kills the goose that lays the golden eggs, and that has been proven multiple times over the last 100 or so years.

no dear; capitalism doesn't simply cease to exist because of your right wing fantasy. only capital has work under Any form of Capitalism. It is why we merely need to ensure capital circulates in our economy like an oil pump.

Millions starved under socialism during the last century, and many continue to do so today. You are ignoring reality.

that reality is just lousy management. Capitalism died in 1929, socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. Only the right wing, never gets it.

All you keep proving, is that you shouldn't be taken seriously about economics.

Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

so does capitalism, even on a for-profit basis. do you have anything that is actually relevant, for an argument?

How would you be worse off, with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, if you are simply unemployed?

 

[hadit]

You are deliberately ignoring reality. More slackers combined with fewer producers means a lower multiplier effect. This is why socialism always kills the goose that lays the golden eggs, and that has been proven multiple times over the last 100 or so years.

no dear; capitalism doesn't simply cease to exist because of your right wing fantasy. only capital has work under Any form of Capitalism. It is why we merely need to ensure capital circulates in our economy like an oil pump.

Millions starved under socialism during the last century, and many continue to do so today. You are ignoring reality.

that reality is just lousy management. Capitalism died in 1929, socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. Only the right wing, never gets it.

All you keep proving, is that you shouldn't be taken seriously about economics.

Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

so does capitalism, even on a for-profit basis. do you have anything that is actually relevant, for an argument?

How would you be worse off, with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, if you are simply unemployed?

You've been told how you would be. The fact that you are again regurgitating the same failed argument merely lends credence to the idea that you are nothing more than a bot generating meaningless slogans. You're not taken seriously, you have nothing substantive to offer, and you're ignoring reality.

 

[danielpalos]

no dear; capitalism doesn't simply cease to exist because of your right wing fantasy. only capital has work under Any form of Capitalism. It is why we merely need to ensure capital circulates in our economy like an oil pump.

Millions starved under socialism during the last century, and many continue to do so today. You are ignoring reality.

that reality is just lousy management. Capitalism died in 1929, socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. Only the right wing, never gets it.

All you keep proving, is that you shouldn't be taken seriously about economics.

Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

so does capitalism, even on a for-profit basis. do you have anything that is actually relevant, for an argument?

How would you be worse off, with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, if you are simply unemployed?

You've been told how you would be. The fact that you are again regurgitating the same failed argument merely lends credence to the idea that you are nothing more than a bot generating meaningless slogans. You're not taken seriously, you have nothing substantive to offer, and you're ignoring reality.

In other words, you would not be worse off.

And, you claim that a rich guy who has enough money to be a capitalist and knows how to make money, is simply too lazy to do it for others, even if they can make money with other peoples' money. all you really have, is right wing fantasy.

 

[hadit]

Millions starved under socialism during the last century, and many continue to do so today. You are ignoring reality.

that reality is just lousy management. Capitalism died in 1929, socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. Only the right wing, never gets it.

All you keep proving, is that you shouldn't be taken seriously about economics.

Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

so does capitalism, even on a for-profit basis. do you have anything that is actually relevant, for an argument?

How would you be worse off, with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, if you are simply unemployed?

You've been told how you would be. The fact that you are again regurgitating the same failed argument merely lends credence to the idea that you are nothing more than a bot generating meaningless slogans. You're not taken seriously, you have nothing substantive to offer, and you're ignoring reality.

In other words, you would not be worse off.

And, you claim that a rich guy who has enough money to be a capitalist and knows how to make money, is simply too lazy to do it for others, even if they can make money with other peoples' money. all you really, is right wing fantasy.

You're making my point for me. Again you ignore reality and what you've been taught. Put down the bong, get out of Mom's basement and work a job. It'll do wonders for your perspective.

 

[danielpalos]

that reality is just lousy management. Capitalism died in 1929, socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. Only the right wing, never gets it.

All you keep proving, is that you shouldn't be taken seriously about economics.

Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

so does capitalism, even on a for-profit basis. do you have anything that is actually relevant, for an argument?

How would you be worse off, with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, if you are simply unemployed?

You've been told how you would be. The fact that you are again regurgitating the same failed argument merely lends credence to the idea that you are nothing more than a bot generating meaningless slogans. You're not taken seriously, you have nothing substantive to offer, and you're ignoring reality.

In other words, you would not be worse off.

And, you claim that a rich guy who has enough money to be a capitalist and knows how to make money, is simply too lazy to do it for others, even if they can make money with other peoples' money. all you really, is right wing fantasy.

You're making my point for me. Again you ignore reality and what you've been taught. Put down the bong, get out of Mom's basement and work a job. It'll do wonders for your perspective.

you have no argument. just right wing fantasy.

 

[hadit]

Socialism kills. We've seen it happen.

so does capitalism, even on a for-profit basis. do you have anything that is actually relevant, for an argument?

How would you be worse off, with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, if you are simply unemployed?

You've been told how you would be. The fact that you are again regurgitating the same failed argument merely lends credence to the idea that you are nothing more than a bot generating meaningless slogans. You're not taken seriously, you have nothing substantive to offer, and you're ignoring reality.

In other words, you would not be worse off.

And, you claim that a rich guy who has enough money to be a capitalist and knows how to make money, is simply too lazy to do it for others, even if they can make money with other peoples' money. all you really, is right wing fantasy.

You're making my point for me. Again you ignore reality and what you've been taught. Put down the bong, get out of Mom's basement and work a job. It'll do wonders for your perspective.

you have no argument. just right wing fantasy.

Socialism collapses under its own weight as more take and fewer produce. That's the failure you can't deal with. Every time you are confronted with that reality, you resort to banal, meaningless slogans. Face it, you have nothing.

 

[danielpalos]

so does capitalism, even on a for-profit basis. do you have anything that is actually relevant, for an argument?

How would you be worse off, with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, if you are simply unemployed?

You've been told how you would be. The fact that you are again regurgitating the same failed argument merely lends credence to the idea that you are nothing more than a bot generating meaningless slogans. You're not taken seriously, you have nothing substantive to offer, and you're ignoring reality.

In other words, you would not be worse off.

And, you claim that a rich guy who has enough money to be a capitalist and knows how to make money, is simply too lazy to do it for others, even if they can make money with other peoples' money. all you really, is right wing fantasy.

You're making my point for me. Again you ignore reality and what you've been taught. Put down the bong, get out of Mom's basement and work a job. It'll do wonders for your perspective.

you have no argument. just right wing fantasy.

Socialism collapses under its own weight as more take and fewer produce. That's the failure you can't deal with. Every time you are confronted with that reality, you resort to banal, meaningless slogans. Face it, you have nothing.

No, it doesn't. The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can get bailed out and keep them multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

Only the right wing, lives in right wing fantasy regarding economics.

 

[hadit]

You've been told how you would be. The fact that you are again regurgitating the same failed argument merely lends credence to the idea that you are nothing more than a bot generating meaningless slogans. You're not taken seriously, you have nothing substantive to offer, and you're ignoring reality.

In other words, you would not be worse off.

And, you claim that a rich guy who has enough money to be a capitalist and knows how to make money, is simply too lazy to do it for others, even if they can make money with other peoples' money. all you really, is right wing fantasy.

You're making my point for me. Again you ignore reality and what you've been taught. Put down the bong, get out of Mom's basement and work a job. It'll do wonders for your perspective.

you have no argument. just right wing fantasy.

Socialism collapses under its own weight as more take and fewer produce. That's the failure you can't deal with. Every time you are confronted with that reality, you resort to banal, meaningless slogans. Face it, you have nothing.

No, it doesn't. The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can get bailed out and keep them multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

Only the right wing, lives in right wing fantasy regarding economics.

That survives only as long as the percentage of takers doesn't rise too high. Once it does, the whole thing collapses and misery abounds.

 

[danielpalos]

In other words, you would not be worse off.

And, you claim that a rich guy who has enough money to be a capitalist and knows how to make money, is simply too lazy to do it for others, even if they can make money with other peoples' money. all you really, is right wing fantasy.

You're making my point for me. Again you ignore reality and what you've been taught. Put down the bong, get out of Mom's basement and work a job. It'll do wonders for your perspective.

you have no argument. just right wing fantasy.

Socialism collapses under its own weight as more take and fewer produce. That's the failure you can't deal with. Every time you are confronted with that reality, you resort to banal, meaningless slogans. Face it, you have nothing.

No, it doesn't. The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can get bailed out and keep them multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

Only the right wing, lives in right wing fantasy regarding economics.

That survives only as long as the percentage of takers doesn't rise too high. Once it does, the whole thing collapses and misery abounds.

it is why i am advocating lowering the cost of government through simplification. we could be improving our standard of living at the same time.

 

[hadit]

You're making my point for me. Again you ignore reality and what you've been taught. Put down the bong, get out of Mom's basement and work a job. It'll do wonders for your perspective.

you have no argument. just right wing fantasy.

Socialism collapses under its own weight as more take and fewer produce. That's the failure you can't deal with. Every time you are confronted with that reality, you resort to banal, meaningless slogans. Face it, you have nothing.

No, it doesn't. The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can get bailed out and keep them multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

Only the right wing, lives in right wing fantasy regarding economics.

That survives only as long as the percentage of takers doesn't rise too high. Once it does, the whole thing collapses and misery abounds.

it is why i am advocating lowering the cost of government through simplification. we could be improving our standard of living at the same time.

You ultimately will explode the cost of government when enough people stop working and start taking from others. We're already $20 trillion in debt and can't afford any more takers. Increasing government efficiency and reducing waste won't even close the Obama deficit, much less fund massive new spending. We have to CUT spending to get back in balance before we can even think about anything new.

 

[danielpalos]

you have no argument. just right wing fantasy.

Socialism collapses under its own weight as more take and fewer produce. That's the failure you can't deal with. Every time you are confronted with that reality, you resort to banal, meaningless slogans. Face it, you have nothing.

No, it doesn't. The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can get bailed out and keep them multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

Only the right wing, lives in right wing fantasy regarding economics.

That survives only as long as the percentage of takers doesn't rise too high. Once it does, the whole thing collapses and misery abounds.

it is why i am advocating lowering the cost of government through simplification. we could be improving our standard of living at the same time.

You ultimately will explode the cost of government when enough people stop working and start taking from others. We're already $20 trillion in debt and can't afford any more takers. Increasing government efficiency and reducing waste won't even close the Obama deficit, much less fund massive new spending. We have to CUT spending to get back in balance before we can even think about anything new.

You don't know what you are talking about. A positive multiplier is better than lowering taxes.

 

[hadit]

Socialism collapses under its own weight as more take and fewer produce. That's the failure you can't deal with. Every time you are confronted with that reality, you resort to banal, meaningless slogans. Face it, you have nothing.

No, it doesn't. The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can get bailed out and keep them multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

Only the right wing, lives in right wing fantasy regarding economics.

That survives only as long as the percentage of takers doesn't rise too high. Once it does, the whole thing collapses and misery abounds.

it is why i am advocating lowering the cost of government through simplification. we could be improving our standard of living at the same time.

You ultimately will explode the cost of government when enough people stop working and start taking from others. We're already $20 trillion in debt and can't afford any more takers. Increasing government efficiency and reducing waste won't even close the Obama deficit, much less fund massive new spending. We have to CUT spending to get back in balance before we can even think about anything new.

You don't know what you are talking about. A positive multiplier is better than lowering taxes.

And again you wander afield. I didn't talk about lowering taxes, did I? No, I was talking about the tipping point when there are too many takers to too few producers, the point you strive to avoid at all costs, and the point at which socialism fails.

 

[danielpalos]

No, it doesn't. The US has the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World. The rich can get bailed out and keep them multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, and the poor can still have steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

Only the right wing, lives in right wing fantasy regarding economics.

That survives only as long as the percentage of takers doesn't rise too high. Once it does, the whole thing collapses and misery abounds.

it is why i am advocating lowering the cost of government through simplification. we could be improving our standard of living at the same time.

You ultimately will explode the cost of government when enough people stop working and start taking from others. We're already $20 trillion in debt and can't afford any more takers. Increasing government efficiency and reducing waste won't even close the Obama deficit, much less fund massive new spending. We have to CUT spending to get back in balance before we can even think about anything new.

You don't know what you are talking about. A positive multiplier is better than lowering taxes.

And again you wander afield. I didn't talk about lowering taxes, did I? No, I was talking about the tipping point when there are too many takers to too few producers, the point you strive to avoid at all costs, and the point at which socialism fails.

that doesn't happen under capitalism. it about simplifying government to lower taxes and improve the efficiency of our economy.

 

[hadit]

That survives only as long as the percentage of takers doesn't rise too high. Once it does, the whole thing collapses and misery abounds.

it is why i am advocating lowering the cost of government through simplification. we could be improving our standard of living at the same time.

You ultimately will explode the cost of government when enough people stop working and start taking from others. We're already $20 trillion in debt and can't afford any more takers. Increasing government efficiency and reducing waste won't even close the Obama deficit, much less fund massive new spending. We have to CUT spending to get back in balance before we can even think about anything new.

You don't know what you are talking about. A positive multiplier is better than lowering taxes.

And again you wander afield. I didn't talk about lowering taxes, did I? No, I was talking about the tipping point when there are too many takers to too few producers, the point you strive to avoid at all costs, and the point at which socialism fails.

that doesn't happen under capitalism. it about simplifying government to lower taxes and improve the efficiency of our economy.

Now you're talking about Capitalism again. Why is it that you're so strenuously avoiding the reality that the economy simply can't sustain what you want, which is a guaranteed income provided to those who do not work by those that do?