When has socialism ever worked?

Trump did NOTHING to calm the grievances of BLM and Antifa.

The Taskforce for 21st Century Policing was implemented to restore confidence in and respect for law enforcement.

And now some of these clots want Trump to be Speaker of the House.


Blmantifa don't have real grievances....police are not hunting minorities.......you moron.

The ones undermining the police are the democrats.....blacks want more police in their neighborhoods, not less.....
 
Blmantifa don't have real grievances....police are not hunting minorities.......you moron.

The ones undermining the police are the democrats.....blacks want more police in their neighborhoods, not less.....

Kyle Rittenhouse obviously thinks Kenosha law enforcement is inadequate.. That's the excuse for vigilantism.
 
This is what they want......they are taking it one step at a time......

Tell us that Biden's handlers nominee for comptroller of the currency doesn't want to nationalize bank accounts.......

Saule Omarova, President Biden’s pick to serve as a top banking regulator, faces a pivotal test of an unusually contentious nomination when she appears before the Senate Banking Committee today.
The Cornell University law professor, an outspoken critic of Wall Street banks, is in line to oversee them as comptroller of the currency.
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“The People’s Ledger,” that Omarova described as a “reform proposal and a thought experiment.” In it, she proposes the Federal Reserve provide consumer banking services as a “cheaper and more efficient alternative” to deposit accounts offered by private banks.



They want to nationalize healthcare, the energy industry........sorry, your, "They aren't socialist because they say they aren't socialists," is just dumb......slow walking government control is socialism on the slow walk....
Socialism is full government control. No one is advocating for that.

The role, scope and cost of government exists on a continuum. If we had our shit together as a country, that would be the conversation.

Paranoid screaming about boogeymen is pointless and counterproductive.
 
Kyle Rittenhouse obviously thinks Kenosha law enforcement is inadequate.. That's the excuse for vigilantism.
Well, it's not just Kyle...It is those business owners also, who's businesses, and livelyhoods were under attack while the Police that were sworn to protect the citizens, and property of the city were ordered to stand down...
 
Socialism is full government control. No one is advocating for that.
Oh, I don't think that's true Mac...Eggheads like us on these boards, breaking down every little aspect of a situation, or law, etc. might not be advocating it per se, but our legislatiors are enacting bills that seek to put more and more of our lives under governmental control...That is just a fact.
 
Socialism is full government control. No one is advocating for that.

The role, scope and cost of government exists on a continuum. If we had our shit together as a country, that would be the conversation.

Paranoid screaming about boogeymen is pointless and counterproductive.

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Well, it's not just Kyle...It is those business owners also, who's businesses, and livelyhoods were under attack while the Police that were sworn to protect the citizens, and property of the city were ordered to stand down...

Vigilantes take the law into their own hands because they think law enforcement is inadequate.
 
Nationalization of Oil in Venezuela - JSTOR
Nationalization of Oil in Venezuela 59 10 % of total world production. From the start, Venezuela's oil sector was completely monopolized by the major oil corporations. In 1929, Standard Oil of California (SOCAL) and Gulf together stood for 54.8 % of the production, and …

Yeah VZ is the prototype for Progressive economics!!

That's exactly my point! The Progressive political leaders became the richest people in the country while EVERYONE else suffered!

You got it!
 
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Socialism is full government control. No one is advocating for that.

The role, scope and cost of government exists on a continuum. If we had our shit together as a country, that would be the conversation.

Paranoid screaming about boogeymen is pointless and counterproductive.

Not in the Scandinavian countries.
 
Vigilantes take the law into their own hands because they think law enforcement is inadequate.
That's true, however, the belief that law enforcement was inadequate is not unfounded, even as the police supported what Kyle and his group were doing that night...


Now, the question would be why wouldn't the Governor call out the NG to quell this violence and protect the citizens as he is sworn to do?

They had NG out last night and no violence as far as I can tell...Looky there.
 
Vigilantes take the law into their own hands because they think law enforcement is inadequate.

It's not law enforcement, it's the management, if you will, that's inadequate. The governor's and mayors.
 
That's true, however, the belief that law enforcement was inadequate is not unfounded, even as the police supported what Kyle and his group were doing that night...


Now, the question would be why wouldn't the Governor call out the NG to quell this violence and protect the citizens as he is sworn to do?

They had NG out last night and no violence as far as I can tell...Looky there.

Exactly.. That why the police in Kenosha are so bloody stupid they can't do their jobs. They welcome vigilantes.
 
Electing Chavez was reaction to the shrinking middle class and extreme capitalism. Study the history of VZ over the past 80 years. VZ nationalized their oil sector in 1976.

Look at how great that's worked out for VZ!!!

Chavez and Maduro were each instant billionaires!

Does it get any more successful!!

It's a perfect model for democrat Socialism!!
 
Democrats have become ardent supporters of socialism...just look at the collapse of USSR in 1989, and China? Is THAT a political model we want?
I am a solid Centrist... some support to Left-leaning ideas... some support to Right-leaning ideas... it all depends upon the subject du jour.

A "socialist" approach seems to work in some aspects of public life, but certainly not in others... and it consistently fails when it dominates for long periods.

For example...

Collectivism seems to work well for defense, law enforcement, infrastructure, civic planning, retirement supplements, medical care, education, etc.).

Collectivism seems to fail in areas such as social engineering, entrepreneurship, economic performance and others too numerous to name.

But "socialism" per se is not a binary choice.

America has long-since been a "hybrid" society consisting of both Individualism and Collectivism in large measure.

Socialism (small "S") is merely collectivism wrapped in a socio-economic banner.

There are some things we do best, together.

There are some things we do best, by ourselves.

The trick is to know the difference, where to apply Individualism, where to apply Collectivism, and where to seek consensus on the best way forward.

 
There's a difference between actual socialism and democratic socialism. The Scandinavian countries would be the latter.

I've always thought that the term "democratic socialism" was a dumb way to describe being further to the left on the continuum.
So what you're saying is that so-called "democratic socialism" is really capitalism.
 
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