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Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?Keep in mind the extreme stress He was under before He died. This was far from an ordinary circumstance. Death by crucifixion was death by suffocation and heart failure. A spear through the side would release fluid built up in the lungs and from around the heart as well as blood. It was evidence that Jesus really was dead.fluid BUILD UP around the heart does not happen in crucifixtion-----you are alluding to a PERICARDIAL EFFUSION. It does not HAPPEN in an hour----people harbor
pericardial effusions for ------MONTHS-----they build up slowly and are associated with other CHRONIC sicknesses. What can happen in pericardial effusion is
CARDIAC TAMPONADE----- the function of the heart is compromised by being
SQUISHED. What would cause that to happen in a 30 year old man----crucified?---in a matter of hours? EFFUSIONS don't just HAPPEN in a matter of minutes
right ---respiratory failure MOSTLY-------not enough time to develop a PERICARDIAL EFFUSION which is kinda an OSMOSIS thing As to RESPIRATORY FAILURE-------a punch in the side would not cause FLUID
TO SPILL OUT------the fluid in a congested lung is HELD IN THE LUNG TISSUE
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Ultimately, it's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?right ---respiratory failure MOSTLY-------not enough time to develop a PERICARDIAL EFFUSION which is kinda an OSMOSIS thing As to RESPIRATORY FAILURE-------a punch in the side would not cause FLUID
TO SPILL OUT------the fluid in a congested lung is HELD IN THE LUNG TISSUE
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
There is evidence from Scripture that Jesus experienced hypovolemic shock as a result of being flogged. As Jesus carried His own cross to Golgotha (John 19:17), He collapsed, and a man named Simon was forced to either carry the cross or help Jesus carry the cross the rest of way to the hill (Matthew 27:32–33; Mark 15:21–22; Luke 23:26). This collapse indicates Jesus had low blood pressure. Another indicator that Jesus suffered from hypovolemic shock was that He declared He was thirsty as He hung on the cross (John 19:28), indicating His body’s desire to replenish fluids.
Prior to death, the sustained rapid heartbeat caused by hypovolemic shock also causes fluid to gather in the sack around the heart and around the lungs. This gathering of fluid in the membrane around the heart is called pericardial effusion, and the fluid gathering around the lungs is called pleural effusion. This explains why, after Jesus died and a Roman soldier thrust a spear through Jesus’ side, piercing both the lungs and the heart, blood and water came from His side just as John recorded in his Gospel (John 19:34).
Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?Keep in mind the extreme stress He was under before He died. This was far from an ordinary circumstance. Death by crucifixion was death by suffocation and heart failure. A spear through the side would release fluid built up in the lungs and from around the heart as well as blood. It was evidence that Jesus really was dead.
right ---respiratory failure MOSTLY-------not enough time to develop a PERICARDIAL EFFUSION which is kinda an OSMOSIS thing As to RESPIRATORY FAILURE-------a punch in the side would not cause FLUID
TO SPILL OUT------the fluid in a congested lung is HELD IN THE LUNG TISSUE
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Right--- ....saw blood mixed with water...... knew jesus was dead...<<< is a statement that actually makes no sense-------somehow that trivial point came
under question. No one has addressed the more MAJOR point which is
WHO WANTED JESUS DEAD AND WHY ----------some brain dead people have
claimed -------because JESUS THREATENED THE FACT THAT DA JOOOS
WERE MAKING MONEY. Lets pretend that idiot statement is true and-----
maybe someone can EXPLAIN it to me
Ultimately, it's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
There is evidence from Scripture that Jesus experienced hypovolemic shock as a result of being flogged. As Jesus carried His own cross to Golgotha (John 19:17), He collapsed, and a man named Simon was forced to either carry the cross or help Jesus carry the cross the rest of way to the hill (Matthew 27:32–33; Mark 15:21–22; Luke 23:26). This collapse indicates Jesus had low blood pressure. Another indicator that Jesus suffered from hypovolemic shock was that He declared He was thirsty as He hung on the cross (John 19:28), indicating His body’s desire to replenish fluids.
Prior to death, the sustained rapid heartbeat caused by hypovolemic shock also causes fluid to gather in the sack around the heart and around the lungs. This gathering of fluid in the membrane around the heart is called pericardial effusion, and the fluid gathering around the lungs is called pleural effusion. This explains why, after Jesus died and a Roman soldier thrust a spear through Jesus’ side, piercing both the lungs and the heart, blood and water came from His side just as John recorded in his Gospel (John 19:34).
Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?right ---respiratory failure MOSTLY-------not enough time to develop a PERICARDIAL EFFUSION which is kinda an OSMOSIS thing As to RESPIRATORY FAILURE-------a punch in the side would not cause FLUID
TO SPILL OUT------the fluid in a congested lung is HELD IN THE LUNG TISSUE
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Right--- ....saw blood mixed with water...... knew jesus was dead...<<< is a statement that actually makes no sense-------somehow that trivial point came
under question. No one has addressed the more MAJOR point which is
WHO WANTED JESUS DEAD AND WHY ----------some brain dead people have
claimed -------because JESUS THREATENED THE FACT THAT DA JOOOS
WERE MAKING MONEY. Lets pretend that idiot statement is true and-----
maybe someone can EXPLAIN it to me
People were maimed and killed by the Roman oppressors on a daily basis for trivial reasons.
roman misunderstanding about the meaning and purpose of the Jewish messiah that Jesus openly claimed to be could have easily made it seem like he was fomenting sedition.
Ultimately, it's really not a big deal to get hung up on.It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
There is evidence from Scripture that Jesus experienced hypovolemic shock as a result of being flogged. As Jesus carried His own cross to Golgotha (John 19:17), He collapsed, and a man named Simon was forced to either carry the cross or help Jesus carry the cross the rest of way to the hill (Matthew 27:32–33; Mark 15:21–22; Luke 23:26). This collapse indicates Jesus had low blood pressure. Another indicator that Jesus suffered from hypovolemic shock was that He declared He was thirsty as He hung on the cross (John 19:28), indicating His body’s desire to replenish fluids.
Prior to death, the sustained rapid heartbeat caused by hypovolemic shock also causes fluid to gather in the sack around the heart and around the lungs. This gathering of fluid in the membrane around the heart is called pericardial effusion, and the fluid gathering around the lungs is called pleural effusion. This explains why, after Jesus died and a Roman soldier thrust a spear through Jesus’ side, piercing both the lungs and the heart, blood and water came from His side just as John recorded in his Gospel (John 19:34).
Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
Who wanted Jesus dead? The Jewish religious power structure of the day was one group, because they saw Him as a threat to their authority. They had become the same kind of corrupt institution that the Catholic Church did during the dark ages and reacted to Jesus the same way the Catholic leadership did to the reformers. The Romans didn't really want to execute Jesus, but did so to prevent riots and unrest. It's really not that hard to figure out.Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?Keep in mind the extreme stress He was under before He died. This was far from an ordinary circumstance. Death by crucifixion was death by suffocation and heart failure. A spear through the side would release fluid built up in the lungs and from around the heart as well as blood. It was evidence that Jesus really was dead.
right ---respiratory failure MOSTLY-------not enough time to develop a PERICARDIAL EFFUSION which is kinda an OSMOSIS thing As to RESPIRATORY FAILURE-------a punch in the side would not cause FLUID
TO SPILL OUT------the fluid in a congested lung is HELD IN THE LUNG TISSUE
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Right--- ....saw blood mixed with water...... knew jesus was dead...<<< is a statement that actually makes no sense-------somehow that trivial point came
under question. No one has addressed the more MAJOR point which is
WHO WANTED JESUS DEAD AND WHY ----------some brain dead people have
claimed -------because JESUS THREATENED THE FACT THAT DA JOOOS
WERE MAKING MONEY. Lets pretend that idiot statement is true and-----
maybe someone can EXPLAIN it to me
Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Right--- ....saw blood mixed with water...... knew jesus was dead...<<< is a statement that actually makes no sense-------somehow that trivial point came
under question. No one has addressed the more MAJOR point which is
WHO WANTED JESUS DEAD AND WHY ----------some brain dead people have
claimed -------because JESUS THREATENED THE FACT THAT DA JOOOS
WERE MAKING MONEY. Lets pretend that idiot statement is true and-----
maybe someone can EXPLAIN it to me
People were maimed and killed by the Roman oppressors on a daily basis for trivial reasons.
roman misunderstanding about the meaning and purpose of the Jewish messiah that Jesus openly claimed to be could have easily made it seem like he was fomenting sedition.
so true------lots of "messiahs" were executed by the romans during that era.
I do not recall jesus OPENLY declaring himself "the messiah"---as reported by
any person who actually hung out with him. For that matter----I do not recall any
of the people that OTHER people suspected of being a messiah as so SELF-REPORTING in that era. Jesus enacted a PHARISEE action in the temple courtyard----he overturned the tables of the money changers-----THAT WAS AN
ACT OF SEDITION AGAINST ROME<< a fact that is not taught in sunday school
How is it sedition against Rome to act in the Jewish temple? The money changers were not Romans, they were Jews.Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.Not a punch, a spear opening a gaping hole through lung and heart tissue. Regardless, what is your problem with it?
It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Right--- ....saw blood mixed with water...... knew jesus was dead...<<< is a statement that actually makes no sense-------somehow that trivial point came
under question. No one has addressed the more MAJOR point which is
WHO WANTED JESUS DEAD AND WHY ----------some brain dead people have
claimed -------because JESUS THREATENED THE FACT THAT DA JOOOS
WERE MAKING MONEY. Lets pretend that idiot statement is true and-----
maybe someone can EXPLAIN it to me
People were maimed and killed by the Roman oppressors on a daily basis for trivial reasons.
roman misunderstanding about the meaning and purpose of the Jewish messiah that Jesus openly claimed to be could have easily made it seem like he was fomenting sedition.
so true------lots of "messiahs" were executed by the romans during that era.
I do not recall jesus OPENLY declaring himself "the messiah"---as reported by
any person who actually hung out with him. For that matter----I do not recall any
of the people that OTHER people suspected of being a messiah as so SELF-REPORTING in that era. Jesus enacted a PHARISEE action in the temple courtyard----he overturned the tables of the money changers-----THAT WAS AN
ACT OF SEDITION AGAINST ROME<< a fact that is not taught in sunday school
Which, of course, is not easy to determine when a person is hanging from a cross. They would not bring the body down, examine it, then put it back up if they found a heart beat. A spear through the lungs and heart would both determine death and cause it if it were not already evident.Ultimately, it's really not a big deal to get hung up on.There is evidence from Scripture that Jesus experienced hypovolemic shock as a result of being flogged. As Jesus carried His own cross to Golgotha (John 19:17), He collapsed, and a man named Simon was forced to either carry the cross or help Jesus carry the cross the rest of way to the hill (Matthew 27:32–33; Mark 15:21–22; Luke 23:26). This collapse indicates Jesus had low blood pressure. Another indicator that Jesus suffered from hypovolemic shock was that He declared He was thirsty as He hung on the cross (John 19:28), indicating His body’s desire to replenish fluids.
Prior to death, the sustained rapid heartbeat caused by hypovolemic shock also causes fluid to gather in the sack around the heart and around the lungs. This gathering of fluid in the membrane around the heart is called pericardial effusion, and the fluid gathering around the lungs is called pleural effusion. This explains why, after Jesus died and a Roman soldier thrust a spear through Jesus’ side, piercing both the lungs and the heart, blood and water came from His side just as John recorded in his Gospel (John 19:34).
Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
they didn't-------they probably depended on absent HEART BEAT and----no breathing
How is it sedition against Rome to act in the Jewish temple? The money changers were not Romans, they were Jews.Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Right--- ....saw blood mixed with water...... knew jesus was dead...<<< is a statement that actually makes no sense-------somehow that trivial point came
under question. No one has addressed the more MAJOR point which is
WHO WANTED JESUS DEAD AND WHY ----------some brain dead people have
claimed -------because JESUS THREATENED THE FACT THAT DA JOOOS
WERE MAKING MONEY. Lets pretend that idiot statement is true and-----
maybe someone can EXPLAIN it to me
People were maimed and killed by the Roman oppressors on a daily basis for trivial reasons.
roman misunderstanding about the meaning and purpose of the Jewish messiah that Jesus openly claimed to be could have easily made it seem like he was fomenting sedition.
so true------lots of "messiahs" were executed by the romans during that era.
I do not recall jesus OPENLY declaring himself "the messiah"---as reported by
any person who actually hung out with him. For that matter----I do not recall any
of the people that OTHER people suspected of being a messiah as so SELF-REPORTING in that era. Jesus enacted a PHARISEE action in the temple courtyard----he overturned the tables of the money changers-----THAT WAS AN
ACT OF SEDITION AGAINST ROME<< a fact that is not taught in sunday school
How is it sedition against Rome to act in the Jewish temple? The money changers were not Romans, they were Jews.Flow, gush, burst. It obviously did not mean that blood and water pumped out of Jesus' body for 5 minutes after He was pierced. It means that the soldier stuck the spear into Him, pulled it out, and saw blood mixed with water run out, and he knew Jesus was dead. It's really not a big deal to get hung up on.It does not make sense----FLOW happens when fluid is under TENSION or it is FLOWING FROM A "PUMPING" SOURCE-------such is not the case in a dead lung and a dead heart and a dead person. Where did the OVERFILL come from? Was someone PUMPING fluid into Jesus?
Right--- ....saw blood mixed with water...... knew jesus was dead...<<< is a statement that actually makes no sense-------somehow that trivial point came
under question. No one has addressed the more MAJOR point which is
WHO WANTED JESUS DEAD AND WHY ----------some brain dead people have
claimed -------because JESUS THREATENED THE FACT THAT DA JOOOS
WERE MAKING MONEY. Lets pretend that idiot statement is true and-----
maybe someone can EXPLAIN it to me
People were maimed and killed by the Roman oppressors on a daily basis for trivial reasons.
roman misunderstanding about the meaning and purpose of the Jewish messiah that Jesus openly claimed to be could have easily made it seem like he was fomenting sedition.
so true------lots of "messiahs" were executed by the romans during that era.
I do not recall jesus OPENLY declaring himself "the messiah"---as reported by
any person who actually hung out with him. For that matter----I do not recall any
of the people that OTHER people suspected of being a messiah as so SELF-REPORTING in that era. Jesus enacted a PHARISEE action in the temple courtyard----he overturned the tables of the money changers-----THAT WAS AN
ACT OF SEDITION AGAINST ROME<< a fact that is not taught in sunday school
Which, of course, is not easy to determine when a person is hanging from a cross. They would not bring the body down, examine it, then put it back up if they found a heart beat. A spear through the lungs and heart would both determine death and cause it if it were not already evident.Ultimately, it's really not a big deal to get hung up on.
Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
they didn't-------they probably depended on absent HEART BEAT and----no breathing
Which, of course, is not easy to determine when a person is hanging from a cross. They would not bring the body down, examine it, then put it back up if they found a heart beat. A spear through the lungs and heart would both determine death and cause it if it were not already evident.Ultimately, it's really not a big deal to get hung up on.
Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
they didn't-------they probably depended on absent HEART BEAT and----no breathing
Which, of course, is not easy to determine when a person is hanging from a cross. They would not bring the body down, examine it, then put it back up if they found a heart beat. A spear through the lungs and heart would both determine death and cause it if it were not already evident.Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
they didn't-------they probably depended on absent HEART BEAT and----no breathing
ok you have a theory------after awhile-----death is obvious----and that is actually how it was USUALLY DONE and took days----just leave them there. What was the HURRY. The romans who left people wiggling around on crosses for days----SUDDENLY HAD A SINGULAR sense of-------"lets be nice"?. I find this account to be one of the MANY holes in the story----pro-roman sophistry
with Jesus?
ok you have a theory------after awhile-----death is obvious----and that is actually how it was USUALLY DONE and took days----just leave them there. What was the HURRY. The romans who left people wiggling around on crosses for days----SUDDENLY HAD A SINGULAR sense of-------"lets be nice"?. I find this account to be one of the MANY holes in the story----pro-roman sophistry
with Jesus?
Which, of course, is not easy to determine when a person is hanging from a cross. They would not bring the body down, examine it, then put it back up if they found a heart beat. A spear through the lungs and heart would both determine death and cause it if it were not already evident.you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
they didn't-------they probably depended on absent HEART BEAT and----no breathing
ok you have a theory------after awhile-----death is obvious----and that is actually how it was USUALLY DONE and took days----just leave them there. What was the HURRY. The romans who left people wiggling around on crosses for days----SUDDENLY HAD A SINGULAR sense of-------"lets be nice"?. I find this account to be one of the MANY holes in the story----pro-roman sophistry
with Jesus?
It wasn't about lets be nice. Jesus was beaten and given 140 lashes with a flagellum.
Bodies that were not claimed for burial were left there for days. I'm sure that any number of centurions would have pierced his heart and turned over the body for a few shekels.
You have read the Scriptures, right? The Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, so they requested that their legs be broken and the bodies removed after they died.Which, of course, is not easy to determine when a person is hanging from a cross. They would not bring the body down, examine it, then put it back up if they found a heart beat. A spear through the lungs and heart would both determine death and cause it if it were not already evident.Right. The practice was common to show that the person really was dead before the body could be taken down and turned over to whoever claimed the body for burial. If no one came the body would have been left there to rot.
you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
they didn't-------they probably depended on absent HEART BEAT and----no breathing
ok you have a theory------after awhile-----death is obvious----and that is actually how it was USUALLY DONE and took days----just leave them there. What was the HURRY. The romans who left people wiggling around on crosses for days----SUDDENLY HAD A SINGULAR sense of-------"lets be nice"?. I find this account to be one of the MANY holes in the story----pro-roman sophistry
with Jesus?
Exactly. It's surprising He lasted as long on the cross as He did.Which, of course, is not easy to determine when a person is hanging from a cross. They would not bring the body down, examine it, then put it back up if they found a heart beat. A spear through the lungs and heart would both determine death and cause it if it were not already evident.you have a link? I have pronounced either --death or 'brain death' on hundreds of people and have never determined death by sticking a knife
into anyone------please google "HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH"
Water flowing out is not a criteria FOR ANYTHING-----a pulmonary effusion----if stuck with a knife will give forth a flow of water and blood.
LOL.... Seriously? Since when have the ancient romans abided by HARVARD CRITERIA FOR BRAIN DEATH?
they didn't-------they probably depended on absent HEART BEAT and----no breathing
ok you have a theory------after awhile-----death is obvious----and that is actually how it was USUALLY DONE and took days----just leave them there. What was the HURRY. The romans who left people wiggling around on crosses for days----SUDDENLY HAD A SINGULAR sense of-------"lets be nice"?. I find this account to be one of the MANY holes in the story----pro-roman sophistry
with Jesus?
It wasn't about lets be nice. Jesus was beaten and given 140 lashes with a flagellum.
Only the bodies that were not claimed for burial were left there for days. I'm sure that any number of centurions would have pierced his heart and turned over the body for a few shekels.
Which Christ are you describing?
1)the son of Mary christ was stoned and hanged around 86bc.
2)your description would fulfill the fallen morning star of Isaiah 14:12-14 verses used by Preachers as Lucifer description prophecy(rev 22:16 Jesus claims to be Lucifer)
3)leaves only Yehuda the Galilean tax revolter 6bc crucifixion or Theudas by the Jordan 45ad crucifixion as the one described or the story is fabricated.
