Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

[ding]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

5. a 3,000 meter sheet of ice covers all of Canada and parts of the US, Europe and Asia.

That falls under either 1. or 2. Which do you advocate?

We are ~140 ppm away from extensive continental glaciation starting in the northern hemisphere and an eventual decrease of 8C. We are ~3100 ppm away from a super greenhouse state and an increase of 8C.

Everything you support brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease.

I advocate 600 ppm because the data shows at 600 ppm there is little risk of northern hemisphere glaciation.

 

[alang1216]

Everything you support brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease.

What exactly do I support that brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease?

 

[ding]

Everything you support brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease.

What exactly do I support that brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease?

Reducing atmospheric CO2.

 

[alang1216]

Everything you support brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease.

What exactly do I support that brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease?

Reducing atmospheric CO2.

I'm not a climatologist but I'm also not advocating an 8C decrease. Is that reducing from where the CO2 levels are today or halting or reducing their increase from where they are today?

 

[ding]

Everything you support brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease.

What exactly do I support that brings the earth closer the an 8C decrease?

Reducing atmospheric CO2.

I'm not a climatologist but I'm also not advocating an 8C decrease. Is that reducing from where the CO2 levels are today or halting or reducing their increase from where they are today?

Given that the conditions that exist today are the same conditions that existed when we transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet anything at or below our present conditions puts us at risk of an 8C decrease.

 

[ReinyDays]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

• Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs

This would require a breakdown of the Laws of Thermodynamics ... in which case, perpetual motion becomes a reality and our energy worries are over ... unlimited free energy for everybody on the planet is of greater benefit than the additional losses of 100-year weather events happening every 95 years ...

And check your math ... I come up with "great-great-grabdchildren" in 100 years ... the child born today has slim chance to be alive that far into the future ...

There's physics involved in all this ... and you're not allowed to break the Laws of Physics ... ever ...

 

[westwall]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

Climate change is real, and unaffected by man. Thus we CAN do nothing to influence it.

Instead of stealing people's money to make rich people fabulously wealthy, how about we just mitigate what does happen.

It is far cheaper, and much less wasteful.

 

[Flash]

The silly "Climate Emergency" only exist in the pocketbooks of the scammers and in the minds of the gullible uneducated Moon Bats that have made it their religion.

 

[alang1216]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

• Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs

This would require a breakdown of the Laws of Thermodynamics ... in which case, perpetual motion becomes a reality and our energy worries are over ... unlimited free energy for everybody on the planet is of greater benefit than the additional losses of 100-year weather events happening every 95 years ...

And check your math ... I come up with "great-great-grabdchildren" in 100 years ... the child born today has slim chance to be alive that far into the future ...

There's physics involved in all this ... and you're not allowed to break the Laws of Physics ... ever ...

I don't get the breakdown of the Laws of Thermodynamics, can you explain?

 

[alang1216]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

Climate change is real, and unaffected by man. Thus we CAN do nothing to influence it.

Instead of stealing people's money to make rich people fabulously wealthy, how about we just mitigate what does happen.

It is far cheaper, and much less wasteful.

Sounds like what I've been saying. What do you suggest?

 

[westwall]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

Climate change is real, and unaffected by man. Thus we CAN do nothing to influence it.

Instead of stealing people's money to make rich people fabulously wealthy, how about we just mitigate what does happen.

It is far cheaper, and much less wasteful.

Sounds like what I've been saying. What do you suggest?

First off you need to ask yourself, "how does destroying the middle class help solve ANY problem?" I challenge you to look at every solution that the politicians have to "solve the problem of climate change" You will find two things that they all have in common. A carbon tax, and NO draconian measures to reduce carbon emissions.

What does that tell you? It tells me that they are saying "go ahead and pollute, just pay us for the privilege". You would think that if carbon were such a huuuuuuge problem, there would be outrageous proposals to truly take us back to the bronze age to control mans miniscule CO2 production. And it is miniscule. But no. No draconian laws, just a tax.

Now. Ask yourself why.

 

[jc456]

I doubt the wisdom of any of these doofuses who actually would endeavor to try and change the climate.

I guess anything "can" be done, but changing the climate would lead to unexpected consequences. Why risk working to change the climate, when we don't know what all the ramifications would be.

anyone thinking they have the ability to change climate is completely insane. there's that.

 

[jc456]

Climate change can cost trillions and kill millions through starvation.
Look at how quickly the dry Sahara desert resulted from the swamps that were here before it only about 10,000 years ago.
And we are accelerating the process down to only a couple hundred years or so.

C.mon, man, you just admitted these changes takes tens of thousands and millions of years, which means that YOU HAVE NEVER LIVED THROUGH or seen even one yourself, so all of this is pure gifted speculation and THEORY, especially since, if it happened 10,000 years ago, it has been happening since the Earth was formed, and last I checked, life has gone through something like 11 major and near total planet-wide extinctions, been boiled, froze and spattered by asteroids, and life is STILL HERE.

which in conclusion means, man don't do dick to the climate.

 

[jc456]

California water shortages are largely self inflicted

completely self inflicted. I fixed that for you.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's getting hotter

 

[Sunsettommy]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

Climate change is real, and unaffected by man. Thus we CAN do nothing to influence it.

Instead of stealing people's money to make rich people fabulously wealthy, how about we just mitigate what does happen.

It is far cheaper, and much less wasteful.

Sounds like what I've been saying. What do you suggest?

First off you need to ask yourself, "how does destroying the middle class help solve ANY problem?" I challenge you to look at every solution that the politicians have to "solve the problem of climate change" You will find two things that they all have in common. A carbon tax, and NO draconian measures to reduce carbon emissions.

What does that tell you? It tells me that they are saying "go ahead and pollute, just pay us for the privilege". You would think that if carbon were such a huuuuuuge problem, there would be outrageous proposals to truly take us back to the bronze age to control mans miniscule CO2 production. And it is miniscule. But no. No draconian laws, just a tax.

Now. Ask yourself why.

Here is their awesome climate summits successes since the 1980's:

 

[jc456]

What do you suggest?

you're lost.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Silly thread.
Climate change can cost trillions and kill millions through starvation.
Look at how quickly the dry Sahara desert resulted from the swamps that were here before it only about 10,000 years ago.
And we are accelerating the process down to only a couple hundred years or so.
Sure there would still be places with a useful climate, but almost every one would have to move, and most animals would be unlikely to adapt.

Yet you post zero evidence to support your climate fearmongering, did you bother to read the article?

There is no need for me to prove anything, since we have all seen the increases in temperature, the missing glaciers, etc.
Remember that the Arctic Ocean was never navigable even in summer, until 2009.
{...
Until 2009, the Arctic pack ice prevented regular marine shipping throughout most of the year. Arctic sea ice decline has rendered the waterways more navigable for ice navigation.[6][7][8][9]
...}
Now the Northwest Passage is always open.

Still nothing you say this is climate emergency situation, are you drinking tonight?

Sure it is.
Lots of areas rely on mountain or glacier snow pack for water storage.
That is all gone, so then many states already have water shortages.
IE CA.

Still nothing you say this is climate emergency situation, are you drinking tonight?

California water shortages are largely self inflicted, but you are too busy drinking to know that.

You have ignored the article that shows the very opposite with data, this is why I am laughing tonight, keeping me awake reading your ignorance.

Sothern California has always been a desert and short of water. Until William Mulholland conceived and built the system of canals that bring water from the Sierra Nevadas and Sacramento Delta, Los Angeles' population was very limited. Southern California stopped building reservoirs way back in the sixties or seventies and the population has increased many times over since then. The shortage of water there is entirely man made.

 

[jc456]

Silly thread.
Climate change can cost trillions and kill millions through starvation.
Look at how quickly the dry Sahara desert resulted from the swamps that were here before it only about 10,000 years ago.
And we are accelerating the process down to only a couple hundred years or so.
Sure there would still be places with a useful climate, but almost every one would have to move, and most animals would be unlikely to adapt.

Yet you post zero evidence to support your climate fearmongering, did you bother to read the article?

There is no need for me to prove anything, since we have all seen the increases in temperature, the missing glaciers, etc.
Remember that the Arctic Ocean was never navigable even in summer, until 2009.
{...
Until 2009, the Arctic pack ice prevented regular marine shipping throughout most of the year. Arctic sea ice decline has rendered the waterways more navigable for ice navigation.[6][7][8][9]
...}
Now the Northwest Passage is always open.

Still nothing you say this is climate emergency situation, are you drinking tonight?

Sure it is.
Lots of areas rely on mountain or glacier snow pack for water storage.
That is all gone, so then many states already have water shortages.
IE CA.

Still nothing you say this is climate emergency situation, are you drinking tonight?

California water shortages are largely self inflicted, but you are too busy drinking to know that.

You have ignored the article that shows the very opposite with data, this is why I am laughing tonight, keeping me awake reading your ignorance.

Sothern California has always been a desert and short of water. Until William Mulholland conceived and built the system of canals that bring water from the Sierra Nevadas and Sacramento Delta, Los Angeles' population was very limited. Southern California stopped building reservoirs way back in the sixties or seventies and the population has increased many times over since then. The shortage of water there is entirely man made.

yep! the fact the idiots that call themselves californians, don't know to build reservoirs is purely their fault.

 

[ReinyDays]

The climate is natural too. Mankind hasn't got the power to increase the temperature of the globe.

We just don't.

What is that based on? We influence many natural things.

But you don't specify what they are and YOU keep ignoring Post one, could it be because you have no answer to the Question.....

Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?​

SATELLITE IMAGES REVEAL ICE SHELF PROTECTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE​

A critical Antarctic glacier is looking more vulnerable as satellite images show the ice shelf that blocks it from collapsing into the sea is breaking up much faster than before and spawning huge icebergs, a new study says. The Pine Island Glacier’s ice shelf loss accelerated in 2017, causing scientists to worry that with climate change the glacier’s collapse could happen quicker than the many centuries predicted. The floating ice shelf acts like a cork in a bottle for the fast-melting glacier and prevents its much larger ice mass from flowing into the ocean.

It is pathetic when your source ignores the active VOLCANO that is under part of the Pine Island glacier, similar with Thwaties glacier.

The ignorance and your shallow link is scary to behold since this was news a few years ago.....

Meanwhile still no climate emergency to show........

Why does the cause matter? If the ice sheet collapses it is a “Climate Emergency” in my book.

Because leftists are using the fraud of climate change to implement draconian wealth stealing laws to enrich the wealthy, and impoverish the middle class

Look up what it meant to be a serf in the middle ages, and then compare that to what it would be like to live under the green new deal.

But what if it is NOT a fraud and climate change turns out to be real? I see the options as:

1. Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs
2. Climate change is real and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: suffering and disaster on a local scale (developed countries would be spared the worst of it)
3. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do nothing: we played Russian Roulette with our children and won
4. Climate change is fake or exaggerated and we do everything reasonable to combat/mitigate it: costly but insurance always is.

Personally, I'm good with either 2 or 4, the lives of my children and grandchildren are worth a lot to me.

• Climate change is real and we do nothing: suffering and disaster on a global scale, including our heirs

This would require a breakdown of the Laws of Thermodynamics ... in which case, perpetual motion becomes a reality and our energy worries are over ... unlimited free energy for everybody on the planet is of greater benefit than the additional losses of 100-year weather events happening every 95 years ...

And check your math ... I come up with "great-great-grabdchildren" in 100 years ... the child born today has slim chance to be alive that far into the future ...

There's physics involved in all this ... and you're not allowed to break the Laws of Physics ... ever ...

I don't get the breakdown of the Laws of Thermodynamics, can you explain?

I don't get the breakdown of the Laws of Thermodynamics, can you explain?

I noticed ...

Either the disaster scenario requires energy be created where there was none before, thus violating the 1st Law ... or the scenario requires energy move from where it is lacking to where it is abundant, violating the 2nd Law ...

A single quantum of energy can either melt ice or raise temperatures ... never both ... you need to choose between global warming or collapsing ice sheets ... both can't occur with only 2 W/m^2 climate forcing ... it might surprise you but the number of seconds in a century is trivial compared to the number of grams in the climate system ...