White fans, black players

[Correll]

So, a common claim is that America is a terribly racist society.


Yet, for my entire life, white footballs fans have happily identified and celebrated majority black football teams.


Question: WHy is this not seen as evidence of the LACK of racism in White America?


Black players in professional American football - Wikipedia



"At the start of the 2014 season, NFL surveys revealed that the league was approximately 68% African-American[35] and about 28% white, with the remaining 4% comprising Asian/Pacific Islander, non-white Hispanics, and those preferring a Mixed Race category.[36]"

These statistics are in contrast to the general population of the United States, which is about 28% non-white (white including Hispanic whites) although among the demographic that plays in the NFL (men approximately 21 to 35 years of age), the proportion of the American population that is non-white is somewhat greater.

 

[TNHarley]

"blacks are good at nothing but sports"
I have seen that a couple times this week.

 

[Penelope]

The like them only when they play good and behave themselves. They are for entertainment. Now they get paid too much, whereas the BCBS CEO of MI made 17 million last year. Go figure.

 

[Correll]

The like them only when they play good and behave themselves. They are for entertainment. Now they get paid too much, whereas the BCBS CEO of MI made 17 million last year. Go figure.

No, it's more than just entertainment.


Team sports involve the fans IDENTIFYING with the teams as part of them, and looking up to them, celebrating them as sports heroes, seeing their victories and defeats as THEIR victories and defeats.



You believe in "Racist America" don't you?

Don't you find it odd that scores of millions of white fans, are completely comfortable identifying with mostly black teams?

 

[flewism]

The like them only when they play good and behave themselves. They are for entertainment. Now they get paid too much, whereas the BCBS CEO of MI made 17 million last year. Go figure.

Why didn't you apply for that job?

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

"blacks are good at nothing but sports"
I have seen that a couple times this week.

Looting
Bling-Bling
Rap
Baby Making
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[Unkotare]

So, a common claim is that America is a terribly racist society.

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Bullshit over-generalization.

 

[Correll]

So, a common claim is that America is a terribly racist society.

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Bullshit over-generalization.

How would you phrase it better? Or are you actually denying that Lefties often claim that America is a racist nation?

 

[Unkotare]

Where sports cuts through all this bullshit isn't in a bunch of fatasses watching a bunch of athletes, it's in a bunch of regular folks really playing the sport together. Who of any race can really relate to the greatest athletes in the world - and also multi-millionaires - mostly from a distance or through a box? Go down to the local park and see a bunch of guys playing a pickup game. Go to your local high school and see a bunch of kids working hard, smart, and together. Go to a local gym and see a bunch of guys (yes, I know, and gals) punching/grappling/throwing each other and being careful and respectful of one another at the same time. You'll see people of all races, backgrounds, religions, whatever. Give people a chance and they will keep the stupid, divisive bullshit the numbskulls drone on about here to the side. Sport is a great way of letting that happen where circumstance might otherwise not often provide.

 

[Correll]

Where sports cuts through all this bullshit isn't in a bunch of fatasses watching a bunch of athletes, it's in a bunch of regular folks really playing the sport together. Who of any race can really relate to the greatest athletes in the world - and also multi-millionaires - mostly from a distance or through a box? Go down to the local park and see a bunch of guys playing a pickup game. Go to your local high school and see a bunch of kids working hard, smart, and together. Go to a local gym and see a bunch of guys (yes, I know, and gals) punching/grappling/throwing each other and being careful and respectful of one another at the same time. You'll see people of all races, backgrounds, religions, whatever. Give people a chance and they will keep the stupid, divisive bullshit the numbskulls drone on about here to the side. Sport is a great way of letting that happen where circumstance might otherwise not often provide.

This thread is about the success, the unremarked upon success, of Spectator Sports to "cut through all this bullshit".


And though it does not make sense, plenty of regular folks, really DO "relate" and/or as I put it, identify with these multi-millionaires, and feel part of their victories and defeats.

My position that this is powerful evidence AGAINST the claims of many on the Left that America, specifically White America, is a racist and oppressive place.

 

[Asclepias]

So, a common claim is that America is a terribly racist society.


Yet, for my entire life, white footballs fans have happily identified and celebrated majority black football teams.


Question: WHy is this not seen as evidence of the LACK of racism in White America?


Black players in professional American football - Wikipedia



"At the start of the 2014 season, NFL surveys revealed that the league was approximately 68% African-American[35] and about 28% white, with the remaining 4% comprising Asian/Pacific Islander, non-white Hispanics, and those preferring a Mixed Race category.[36]"

These statistics are in contrast to the general population of the United States, which is about 28% non-white (white including Hispanic whites) although among the demographic that plays in the NFL (men approximately 21 to 35 years of age), the proportion of the American population that is non-white is somewhat greater.

Its simply a symptom of how fucked up white people are. They have no problem ogling the superior work ethics and athletic talent of Blacks as long as its confined to sports and politics are not involved. Kind of how they fought their prized bucks like dogs for sport back during slavery. Whites are a confused people which is why I say they would probably regress back to the dark ages if all Blacks left the US. They worship and hate us all at the same time. They are a fascinating case study of mental illness.

 

[katsteve2012]

The like them only when they play good and behave themselves. They are for entertainment. Now they get paid too much, whereas the BCBS CEO of MI made 17 million last year. Go figure.

No, it's more than just entertainment.


Team sports involve the fans IDENTIFYING with the teams as part of them, and looking up to them, celebrating them as sports heroes, seeing their victories and defeats as THEIR victories and defeats.



You believe in "Racist America" don't you?

Don't you find it odd that scores of millions of white fans, are completely comfortable identifying with mostly black teams?

They identify with the "team" not the "individuals" as real people.

The Black players are nothing but "objects" much like any other Black entertainer.

This is not a new phenomena.

Throughout the history of this country white audiences have watched black entertainers and athletes from a distance, while regarding them as culturally and racially inferior. If you read up on the history of ANY sport this becomes obvious. Haven't you ever heard of Jackie Robinson or Joe Louis? Even though they were revered in their respective sports they were still treated like second class citizens in everyday life.

Even you should know that.

SMGDH.

 

[Snouter]

Its simply a symptom of how fucked up white people are. They have no problem ogling the superior work ethics and athletic talent of Blacks as long as its confined to sports and politics are not involved....

Blacks generally get their asses kicked in everything but basketball since the NBA allowed they can stuff the ball.

Here is an honest Black who gets his ass beat by White Canadian players, but shows some signs of actual talent.



And yes I played on an intramural hockey team at UConn. Some White dude on the opposing team hipped checked our Negro and basically knocked him out. We brought our Negro back to our dorm to keep him awake thinking that would prevent damage.

 

[Penelope]

Hockey is a white mans sport.

 

[Correll]

So, a common claim is that America is a terribly racist society.


Yet, for my entire life, white footballs fans have happily identified and celebrated majority black football teams.


Question: WHy is this not seen as evidence of the LACK of racism in White America?


Black players in professional American football - Wikipedia



"At the start of the 2014 season, NFL surveys revealed that the league was approximately 68% African-American[35] and about 28% white, with the remaining 4% comprising Asian/Pacific Islander, non-white Hispanics, and those preferring a Mixed Race category.[36]"

These statistics are in contrast to the general population of the United States, which is about 28% non-white (white including Hispanic whites) although among the demographic that plays in the NFL (men approximately 21 to 35 years of age), the proportion of the American population that is non-white is somewhat greater.

Its simply a symptom of how fucked up white people are. They have no problem ogling the superior work ethics and athletic talent of Blacks as long as its confined to sports and politics are not involved. Kind of how they fought their prized bucks like dogs for sport back during slavery. Whites are a confused people which is why I say they would probably regress back to the dark ages if all Blacks left the US. They worship and hate us all at the same time. They are a fascinating case study of mental illness.

Your racist spin is noted and held against you. YOu are a racist.


That being said, there are plenty of examples of whites in this country looking up to individual blacks outside of sports and with politics involved.


The widespread white support of Obama is the most obvious recent example.

 

[Correll]

The like them only when they play good and behave themselves. They are for entertainment. Now they get paid too much, whereas the BCBS CEO of MI made 17 million last year. Go figure.

No, it's more than just entertainment.


Team sports involve the fans IDENTIFYING with the teams as part of them, and looking up to them, celebrating them as sports heroes, seeing their victories and defeats as THEIR victories and defeats.



You believe in "Racist America" don't you?

Don't you find it odd that scores of millions of white fans, are completely comfortable identifying with mostly black teams?

They identify with the "team" not the "individuals" as real people.

The Black players are nothing but "objects" much like any other Black entertainer.

This is not a new phenomena.

Throughout the history of this country white audiences have watched black entertainers and athletes from a distance, while regarding them as culturally and racially inferior. If you read up on the history of ANY sport this becomes obvious. Haven't you ever heard of Jackie Robinson or Joe Louis? Even though they were revered in their respective sports they were still treated like second class citizens in everyday life.

Even you should know that.

SMGDH.

And I'm sure the cognitive dissonance that caused actual racists contributed to the massive decline of white racism.


But now we have a situation where the teams are not just containing a few minority players but are MAJORITY BLACK, and the teams are still celebrated and the players are still treated like sports heroes in every day life.


This is not 1947 and it's time we admitted that.

 

[Correll]

Hockey is a white mans sport.

And yet Football is by far more popular.


Almost like the skin color of the players is irrelevant to the fans.

 

[Paul Essien]

Whites are a confused people which is why I say they would probably regress back to the dark ages if all Blacks left the US. They worship and hate us all at the same time. They are a fascinating case study of mental illness.

Very true. Many whites hate black people but at the same time they THRIVE of black people

It's obvious that commentators like Taz, harmonica, SobieskiSavedEurope or Correll, Admiral Rockwell Tory have and inferiority complex towards black men

But they act superior but feel inferior.

Whites collectively have committed and benefited from the crime of racism and are GREATLY resentful and hostile ANY time a victim of racism calls it out.

You speak to a black man in 90s or 80's (And of course because of racism the average life expectancy for black people is far lower than it is for whites) who has experienced legal segregation, such as Whites-Only bathrooms, and all kinds of racist discrimination, humiliation and mistreatment of his black friends, family members, and himself. I don't blame him one bit for anything negative he says about American society.

The really interesting part is — despite all the LIES about black people being “violent” — black people on average are actually are quite passive.

If we were as violent as some folks like (harmonica) make us out to be, we’d be rioting in the streets non-stop, considering all the mistreatment we’ve endured.

Take Louis Farrakhan or Nation of Islam who have they ever harmed? When’s the last time the Nation of Islam burned a cross or harmed or beat or choked or lynched a white person OR spit on a white child and called him or her a dirty name? Can Taz and harmonica SobieskiSavedEurope or Correll Admiral Rockwell Tory name ANY black “group” that has ever harmed a white person in the name of practicing their beliefs?

Blacks are often accused of “advocating” violence or being violent EVEN when we seldom practice it — except as individuals in the commission of a crime.

YET — we are the raging black inferno monsters, that strikes fear in the hearts of white people? Maybe, that is the reflection in their own mirrors looking back at them….

All these police killings of black men ?

I’d bet my last two paychecks that if black police were constantly shooting unarmed white teenagers, we would see what real violence looks like. In white face.

The white man proudly presents his psychological disorder (Perseus Syndrome) to us in Greek mythology (named after Perseus, the Greek founder of Mycenae), advertisements, thrillers and horror movies:

When it comes to black people “peace is power” pacifist means of countering injustice is pushed as the only reasonable means of combat against tyranny and terrorism.

Black people are encouraged to imitate the likes of Gandhi (who hated black people) Martin Luther King, Booker T. Washington, Frederick Douglass, Winnie Mandela – all of which were great men and women.

But where the hypocrisy comes in – is that people such as Nat Turner, Robert F. Williams, Ho Chi Minh, Toussaint L’Overture are either covered in historically neutral terms (at best) and as terrorists at worst.

Think of white heroes – are any of them pacifists in the face of tyranny ? George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Churchill, Eisenhower, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson.

The answer is a resounding no.

When black people fight its viewed as savagery.

Look at what is going on in the so-called “middle east” right now. They’re deemed as savages for taking up arms against injustice. When whites fight, not only is it c considered noble, its the only way to protect their (warped) perception of justice Jimmy Carter, still considered a leader of sorts – is viewed as a coward by whites by trying to use diplomacy instead of an iron fist during the Iranian hostage crisis.

 

[Penelope]

Many whites had a issue with a black skinned Potus.

Hockey is a white mans sport.

And yet Football is by far more popular.


Almost like the skin color of the players is irrelevant to the fans.

Agree, till they leave the stadium or a black football player takes a knee.

 

[Correll]

Many whites had a issue with a black skinned Potus.

Hockey is a white mans sport.

And yet Football is by far more popular.


Almost like the skin color of the players is irrelevant to the fans.

Agree, till they leave the stadium or a black football player takes a knee.

That's the fans reacting to the players actions, not their skin color.



The fans have not had a problem with the teams' skin color for multiple generations.