Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Ventura77]

Maybe you could endeavor to point out your own hypocrisy?

Shrug. I have none. The Jewish people have the same rights as all indigenous peoples. The Arab Palestinian peoples have the same rights as all peoples of long tenure. No hypocrisy.

Wrong again...the Jewish people were an ethnic minority in Palestine...they are not indigenous...once again post a document which proves your claim that Jews have a right to Palestine...

 

[Shusha]

I'm still waiting for that proof you spoke of...could it be that you are full of shit Shusha? Show me an absentee land claim which spans centuries okay?

I can not give you "proof" that will satisfy you until you provide your criteria for the rights of a people. Why won't you answer a simple question?

You are claiming, as did Tinmore, that the rights to a place are based on presence in the land (ie that "absentee's no longer have claims). So. By your claim, ethnic cleansing leads to rights to the territory.

I ask again -- did you want to go with that?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Maybe you could endeavor to point out your own hypocrisy?

Shrug. I have none. The Jewish people have the same rights as all indigenous peoples. The Arab Palestinian peoples have the same rights as all peoples of long tenure. No hypocrisy.

Wrong again...the Jewish people were an ethnic minority in Palestine...they are not indigenous...once again post a document which proves your claim that Jews have a right to Palestine...

You mean, none of the three groups of Jews in Palestine?

The Ashkenazi, we understand you think they are Europeans.

But how about the Sepharadic group in Palestine?

And how about the Mizrahi group in Palestine?

Do they, or do they not have indigenous rights to the land?

 

[Shusha]

Wrong again...the Jewish people were an ethnic minority in Palestine...they are not indigenous...once again post a document which proves your claim that Jews have a right to Palestine...

Do indigenous peoples have rights to sovereignty and self-determination, yes or no?

 

[Shusha]

I've got a better idea---you claimed that Jews have rights to the lands of Palestine...we both know that no such rights exist,

So, define what rights DO exist, in your opinion.

Tenure invariably defines residency rights...let's crawl out on a limb and theorize that 13 consecutive centuries of residency trumps 70 years of criminal occupation...still waiting for that proof of Jews' rights to Palestine...you must have misplaced it...LOL

Define for us what specific group had 13 consecutive centuries of residency.

The Jewish people have nearly four thousand years of consecutive, continuous residency.

 

[Shusha]

Ventura77

Look, you are just doing yet another variation on the same old trope which has been the cause of the conflict since day one. Its the same tired canard that every anti-Israel/anti-Zionist/anti-semitic troll uses.

Indigenous peoples have rights to their homelands but the Jewish people of today have no connection to the Jewish people who have lived in that homeland for thousands of years.

or/and

The Jewish people once lived on that land, but they were successfully removed from that land (ethnically cleansed) and therefore no longer have rights to it.


The former is just a silly, stupid, false argument. The latter is a tragic support for invasion, colonialism and conquest.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm still waiting for that proof you spoke of...could it be that you are full of shit Shusha? Show me an absentee land claim which spans centuries okay?

I can not give you "proof" that will satisfy you until you provide your criteria for the rights of a people. Why won't you answer a simple question?

You are claiming, as did Tinmore, that the rights to a place are based on presence in the land (ie that "absentee's no longer have claims). So. By your claim, ethnic cleansing leads to rights to the territory.

I ask again -- did you want to go with that?

You are claiming, as did Tinmore, that the rights to a place are based on presence in the land (ie that "absentee's no longer have claims).

I haven't seen any proof that those Jews from Europe were ethnically cleansed from Palestine thousands of years ago.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I've got a better idea---you claimed that Jews have rights to the lands of Palestine...we both know that no such rights exist,

So, define what rights DO exist, in your opinion.

Tenure invariably defines residency rights...let's crawl out on a limb and theorize that 13 consecutive centuries of residency trumps 70 years of criminal occupation...still waiting for that proof of Jews' rights to Palestine...you must have misplaced it...LOL

Define for us what specific group had 13 consecutive centuries of residency.

The Jewish people have nearly four thousand years of consecutive, continuous residency.

Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I'm still waiting for that proof you spoke of...could it be that you are full of shit Shusha? Show me an absentee land claim which spans centuries okay?

I can not give you "proof" that will satisfy you until you provide your criteria for the rights of a people. Why won't you answer a simple question?

You are claiming, as did Tinmore, that the rights to a place are based on presence in the land (ie that "absentee's no longer have claims). So. By your claim, ethnic cleansing leads to rights to the territory.

I ask again -- did you want to go with that?

You are claiming, as did Tinmore, that the rights to a place are based on presence in the land (ie that "absentee's no longer have claims).

I haven't seen any proof that those Jews from Europe were ethnically cleansed from Palestine thousands of years ago.

History is not your forte, either

 

[Shusha]

I haven't seen any proof that those Jews from Europe were ethnically cleansed from Palestine thousands of years ago.

But if they were....they would have rights to self-determination and sovereignty on their ancestral and historical lands, right?

 

[Shusha]

Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.

Sure. With all the rights this entails -- including the right to self-determination and sovereignty.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I've got a better idea---you claimed that Jews have rights to the lands of Palestine...we both know that no such rights exist,

So, define what rights DO exist, in your opinion.

Tenure invariably defines residency rights...let's crawl out on a limb and theorize that 13 consecutive centuries of residency trumps 70 years of criminal occupation...still waiting for that proof of Jews' rights to Palestine...you must have misplaced it...LOL

Define for us what specific group had 13 consecutive centuries of residency.

The Jewish people have nearly four thousand years of consecutive, continuous residency.

Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

Palestine never existed as a Nation/Country.
The Romans called the region where Judea and Samaria existed
SYRIA Palestinia. There were no Syrian Palestinians at any time.
No one, not one inhabitant, not one invader ever called the people living on the land Syrian Palestinians .

Not the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Ottomans, or the British.
Not the Americans, the Germans, the Italians, or anyone else who visited the region.

Israel did exist and had citizens to its Nation.
They were not called Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is Not a Border is an anthology of writing that celebrates the 10th anniversary of the Palestine Festival of Literature, or PalFest – a “cultural roadshow” which was established in 2008. Since then, the annual week-long event has brought about 200 authors and industry professionals to both the occupied West Bank and, in some years, the Gaza Strip.

"Cold violence" in Palestine

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is Not a Border is an anthology of writing that celebrates the 10th anniversary of the Palestine Festival of Literature, or PalFest – a “cultural roadshow” which was established in 2008. Since then, the annual week-long event has brought about 200 authors and industry professionals to both the occupied West Bank and, in some years, the Gaza Strip.

"Cold violence" in Palestine

Have you got any such Palestinian Festivals pre WWI ?

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is Not a Border is an anthology of writing that celebrates the 10th anniversary of the Palestine Festival of Literature, or PalFest – a “cultural roadshow” which was established in 2008. Since then, the annual week-long event has brought about 200 authors and industry professionals to both the occupied West Bank and, in some years, the Gaza Strip.

"Cold violence" in Palestine

How about a Palestinian Festival between 1948 and 1967 when Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza and Judea and Samaria?

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, define what rights DO exist, in your opinion.

Tenure invariably defines residency rights...let's crawl out on a limb and theorize that 13 consecutive centuries of residency trumps 70 years of criminal occupation...still waiting for that proof of Jews' rights to Palestine...you must have misplaced it...LOL

Define for us what specific group had 13 consecutive centuries of residency.

The Jewish people have nearly four thousand years of consecutive, continuous residency.

Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

Palestine never existed as a Nation/Country.
The Romans called the region where Judea and Samaria existed
SYRIA Palestinia. There were no Syrian Palestinians at any time.
No one, not one inhabitant, not one invader ever called the people living on the land Syrian Palestinians .

Not the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Ottomans, or the British.
Not the Americans, the Germans, the Italians, or anyone else who visited the region.

Israel did exist and had citizens to its Nation.
They were not called Palestinians.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

http://bcrfj.revues.org/6405

 

[Sixties Fan]

Tenure invariably defines residency rights...let's crawl out on a limb and theorize that 13 consecutive centuries of residency trumps 70 years of criminal occupation...still waiting for that proof of Jews' rights to Palestine...you must have misplaced it...LOL

Define for us what specific group had 13 consecutive centuries of residency.

The Jewish people have nearly four thousand years of consecutive, continuous residency.

Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

Palestine never existed as a Nation/Country.
The Romans called the region where Judea and Samaria existed
SYRIA Palestinia. There were no Syrian Palestinians at any time.
No one, not one inhabitant, not one invader ever called the people living on the land Syrian Palestinians .

Not the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Ottomans, or the British.
Not the Americans, the Germans, the Italians, or anyone else who visited the region.

Israel did exist and had citizens to its Nation.
They were not called Palestinians.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

This is PAPER written by an Arab Muslim or Christian.
It is not the legal documents from the Mandates.
You have shown this PAPER once before.

The purpose of the name Palestine was only for the Mandate, with the Jewish People free to chose their own name for their country once it was approved by the UN.

As late as 1947 the Arabs were still referring to themselves as part of Greater Syria, with no intention of calling themselves Palestinians, as imposed on them and the Jews by the British.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Mandatory Palestine's citizenship and the various means of obtaining it was defined in an Order in Council of 24 July 1925.[4] Turkish subjects habitually resident in Palestine (excluding Transjordan) on the first day of August 1925 automatically became citizens unless they opted to reject it.[4] Many other classes of people were able to apply for citizenship, which would be granted at the discretion of the High Commissioner.[4] An ordinance allowing the High Commissioner to issue passports to Mandatory Palestine's citizens was promulgated soon afterwards.[5]

(full article online)

Mandatory Palestine passport - Wikipedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

Define for us what specific group had 13 consecutive centuries of residency.

The Jewish people have nearly four thousand years of consecutive, continuous residency.

Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

Palestine never existed as a Nation/Country.
The Romans called the region where Judea and Samaria existed
SYRIA Palestinia. There were no Syrian Palestinians at any time.
No one, not one inhabitant, not one invader ever called the people living on the land Syrian Palestinians .

Not the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Ottomans, or the British.
Not the Americans, the Germans, the Italians, or anyone else who visited the region.

Israel did exist and had citizens to its Nation.
They were not called Palestinians.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

This is PAPER written by an Arab Muslim or Christian.
It is not the legal documents from the Mandates.
You have shown this PAPER once before.

The purpose of the name Palestine was only for the Mandate, with the Jewish People free to chose their own name for their country once it was approved by the UN.

As late as 1947 the Arabs were still referring to themselves as part of Greater Syria, with no intention of calling themselves Palestinians, as imposed on them and the Jews by the British.

The purpose of the name Palestine was only for the Mandate, with the Jewish People free to chose their own name for their country once it was approved by the UN.

Link?

 

[Hollie]

Tenure invariably defines residency rights...let's crawl out on a limb and theorize that 13 consecutive centuries of residency trumps 70 years of criminal occupation...still waiting for that proof of Jews' rights to Palestine...you must have misplaced it...LOL

Define for us what specific group had 13 consecutive centuries of residency.

The Jewish people have nearly four thousand years of consecutive, continuous residency.

Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

Palestine never existed as a Nation/Country.
The Romans called the region where Judea and Samaria existed
SYRIA Palestinia. There were no Syrian Palestinians at any time.
No one, not one inhabitant, not one invader ever called the people living on the land Syrian Palestinians .

Not the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Ottomans, or the British.
Not the Americans, the Germans, the Italians, or anyone else who visited the region.

Israel did exist and had citizens to its Nation.
They were not called Palestinians.

One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Your befuddlement regarding the above has been addressed repeatedly. Why are you still befuddled?